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Sheikh Salim Bakari Mwarangi
AlphDoti
#21 Posted : Thursday, November 06, 2014 1:09:24 PM
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WARNING! LONG POST, BUT IT IS WORTH READING!

@Boris, the question you have raised in very important. The answer is equally as important. I hope you will listen sincerely to the answer.The answer is this.

As a women, as human being, as a father, as a mother... you have as much right of existence on this planet as any of human being. There was no human being that was ever born that is your superior. Every human being is given the same rights of existence by God as every other human being.

When the people have no weapons to defend themselves, they will use their own bodies as the weapon. If that is all they have got.

This is the reality of what is taking place
In the Quran, Allah says persecution is worst than slaughter. In other words, one can get to a stage in life where you would rather die than live another day under persecution.

Do you remember Sep 11, when people found themselves in the twin towers, with flames behind them, normal sane people who went to work that day, not soldiers, not warriors. When the flames were rising behind them, the people were left with a choice: be burnt by the heat (the persecution of the flames), or choose another form of death by jumping from a building.

Under those circumstances, when you have to choose between a fiery, persecution that makes your life intolerable, or a death where you say to hell with it.
You will say let me take my loved ones and jump together. Or if you see some of the enemies who are persecuting you, living in luxury, while you and your people suffer, then you will say let me kill myself and take as many of them with me. Because maybe, as a result of your death, your people may ultimately get free.

And so the North Eastern people, the Palestinians reached a point of desperation. They have no weapons to fight tanks, aeroplanes, soldiers.

Now let me give you some examples:

1. The Palestinian people
have had since 1948, foreign people were imposed upon them by the Allied powers. This is written in history. It is not something I'm making up. The Palestinians were deliberately pushed out, displaced, from their land. Their land was taken over by Israelis from Europe (many of them not real Jews, they are Zionist in the look but they are people from parts of Europe). From that day to this day, those Palestinians have been under persecution and oppression. Those people have no power to resist or remove the occupying forces. Their lands are occupied. Each time they try to resist, they've list more land. The Israeli are powerful with weapons from America and Britain.
Whose supervision: U.S. government.

[I have removed the colouring which made you think this was from Internet]

2. During the the Mau Mau upspring 1952 - 1960
A lot has been revealed about British's worst acts in their colonial history. How they tried to stop the fight for freedom.

They persecuted our people, and oppressed our people. Were they justified? Of course not. Our people fought by all means. With machetes and arrows and other crude weapons. Were they called terrorist? Yes of course.
The Mau Mau guerrilla fighters were fighting for their rights. But the Mau Mau were misunderstood (intentionally by the supporter of Whites) as evil group. But our people oppressed victims.
Whose supervision: British government

[I have removed colour, which made you think I have copied from Internet]

3. Wagalla massacre
There was flow of blood. Kenyan forces, fired at people in mass, artillery weapon and other military equipment. Children, women, the elderly and families were wiped out. Some children lost both parents and others lost one of the parents. People were wounded
Women (people's wives, people's mothers, people's sisters) were sexually assaulted during the attack.
Whose supervision: KANU government

Quote:
Abdia Warmoge, a 60-year-old mother of five, broke down as she narrated the ordeal she underwent in the hands of the security forces.
"I was gang-raped by seven military officers, and in my struggle to free myself, I lost my upper teeth. They hit me with a gun butt and left me for the dead," she said amid sobs.

The residents told the TJRC commission that during the administration of President Daniel arap Moi it was not possible to talk about what had transpired at Wagalla for fear of arrest.


[I have quoted the extract from TJRC report, and remove colour to stop you from thinking Internet]

4. Since Jubilee government took over, Imams are being killed.
How many Cmuslims clerics have been killed, extra-judicial killing?
So what is happening here in Kenya, the Muslim clerics who speak out, no weapons, no terrorism, just his tongue. And people say "Awwww I think we hear violence, that man is so violent, that man is upsetting people". Why do the people say that? Because somebody is speaking! People are intimidated by an innocent person speaking the truth.
Whose supervision: Jubilee government

Quote:
It is now more than 20 Muslim clerics have been gunned down. Of all these, only 1 is linked to terrorism. The others may be innocent people who never got a chance to defend themselves. Human rights activist have come out to condemn the killings but it seems their voices are not being heard.


[I have quoted the one line which is from a report going round today, and I have removed colour from the above to stop you saying it all Internet]

In Summary
So as a last resort, people will use what they have got. They will use their bodies.

[BELOW ARE LINKS FROM INTERNET TO SUPPORT MY EXAMPLES ABOVE]




Boris Boyka
#22 Posted : Thursday, November 06, 2014 1:23:16 PM
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@AlphaDoti Don't lecture me on Muslim religion. You haven't answered my questions. You're just copy pasting internet articles. Do you have ground experience of what I asked? Hujui huko unaishi Nairobi tu. I didn't ask for major operations that happened! I know them. You seem a radicalised activist. You haven't moved to any of those towns I mentioned & interact with those fellows,you've never been in any war torn Islamic state. what I have done practically. and you want to use internet copy pastes to lecture me?????? uko down sana,I leave it there.
Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
Boris Boyka
#23 Posted : Thursday, November 06, 2014 1:35:29 PM
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Quote.
" It is now more than 20 Muslim clerics have
been gunned down. Of all these, only 1 is
linked to terrorism . The others may be
innocent people who never got a chance to
defend themselves. Human rights activist have
come out to condemn the killings but it seems
their voices are not being heard."
Ever heard of "the devil the most high you create,one day for the thief one day for the owner" First they defended them now later after realising it's wrong the clerics now are throwing them away so it backfires. This was as case in Mungiki,Musumbiji, Kamjesh among other gangs. After full co-operation of locals the gangs were "cleared" but locals paid with some lives.
Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
AlphDoti
#24 Posted : Thursday, November 06, 2014 2:28:29 PM
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Location: Kenya
Boris Boyka wrote:
@AlphaDoti Don't lecture me on Muslim religion. You haven't answered my questions. You're just copy pasting internet articles. Do you have ground experience of what I asked? Hujui huko unaishi Nairobi tu. I didn't ask for major operations that happened! I know them. You seem a radicalised activist. You haven't moved to any of those towns I mentioned & interact with those fellows,you've never been in any war torn Islamic state. what I have done practically. and you want to use internet copy pastes to lecture me?????? uko down sana,I leave it there.

@Boris, first before I respond, I want to say it's only 2% of what I posted are quoted from Internet articles. Is it that report that is going around today about Muslim clerics that made you say I gave you Internet article? I can strip off the few quotes from "TJRC" & "Human rights" reports and still you will not read my reply.

And I don't have to lecture. I gave my answer. I was addressing. If that means being lectured, then you have attitude issues. Here in the Social Media, it does not matter who you are in your Journalist job. You could be an editor who is used to lecturing people. Here we are not lecturing anyone. We are sharing knowledge. We are learning from each other.

Because you don't like the truth.

Where do I live?
I don't have to tell you where I live to discuss the topic

Have you stayed in Moyale?
Yes, I've visited for a few days. I've interacted with people from that region. It is common knowledge that inter-clan rivalry have exist between communities there because of competition over scarce resources. But I'm talking about are political schemes carried out on a community. We have similar rivaltry between Pokot and Turkana. How come the same political forces don't call that religious?

If you have heard and seen Allahu Akbar being uttered, how did you survive?

As a journalist, you have seen all these and you never represent the people well.
You never report the real attorcities that these people go through. You never report that people need water. You never champion through your articles governements to spend money in drilling boreholes for these people.

Now when those people sing Allah Akbar to liberate themselves, you start crying.

KDF walienda SOmalia kufanya nini?
WHo does not know the real reason. And they called it "Operation Linda Nchi", while the real slogan is "Operation Linda Mzungu"

And when people speak the truth, you just pick a few highlights I have provided and say oh Internet. When people speak, you say radicalised activitst. DO you know the meaning of what you are saying, or you are just echoing your masters words. When people voice their grievances, you say "Awwww I think we hear violence, that man is so violent, that man is upsetting people". Why do you say that? Because somebody is speaking! People are intimidated by an innocent person speaking the truth.

So in my previous post (which you didn't find it important to read due to arrogance), I was giving real examples to show you that as a last resort, people will use what they have got. They will use their bodies.
AlphDoti
#25 Posted : Thursday, November 06, 2014 2:46:15 PM
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symbols
#26 Posted : Thursday, November 06, 2014 2:47:53 PM
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@AlphDoti - Was the cleric killed for preaching peace?
AlphDoti
#27 Posted : Thursday, November 06, 2014 2:48:27 PM
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Location: Kenya
Boris Boyka wrote:
Quote.
" It is now more than 20 Muslim clerics have
been gunned down. Of all these, only 1 is
linked to terrorism . The others may be
innocent people who never got a chance to
defend themselves. Human rights activist have
come out to condemn the killings but it seems
their voices are not being heard."
Ever heard of "the devil the most high you create,one day for the thief one day for the owner" First they defended them now later after realising it's wrong the clerics now are throwing them away so it backfires. This was as case in Mungiki,Musumbiji, Kamjesh among other gangs. After full co-operation of locals the gangs were "cleared" but locals paid with some lives.

@Boris, now I have quoted the lines extracted from the Internet reports in my post #24 here. If you are honest, now read however long.
AlphDoti
#28 Posted : Thursday, November 06, 2014 2:53:08 PM
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Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
symbols wrote:
@AlphDoti - Was the cleric killed for preaching peace?

Who? Sheikh Salim? Your guess is as good as mine brother! It's only one cleric who has ever been linked to terrorism. Even that one, they released him due to lack of evidence, then killed him d'oh!

The thing is when people speak out, they are eliminated.
1. Just like Mau Mau guerrilla were called names by the British
2. Just like Nelson Mandela was first called radical activist and terrorist
3. Just like Tom Mboya, Koinange, Biko, Ouko, etc were killed by the garments
4. other many examples
Boris Boyka
#29 Posted : Thursday, November 06, 2014 2:55:48 PM
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Haha hehe No attitude issues. You went off topic. You're now justifying terrorism from your defense. There's a difference in criminal gangs & terrorists. Insurgency is another chapter also. Don't mix these things like your lost brothers. In these religions the leaders have their shortcomings but to say the truth.Not all Muslims are terrorists but ALL terrorists are Muslims and majority converts. Research mwenyewe. These terror attacks involving grenades,IED's are conducted by Muslims converts & planned in mosque's. Check with investigators. None has been linked to a Christian/church, Hindu/temple or atheist. That's why it feels unsafe to be near a mosque. Mosque's are also secretive & entry isn't allowed unless you convert and are observed for some time. What are they hiding? Churches are open to anyone ata kanyari alikaribisha Moha. In short majority of Muslims have dirtified that religion & places of worship for worst things of "holy wars". You may be different but please don't fall in a pit with these majority "insanes" trying to defend them. Churches have their weakness of either money solicitation or adultery but not planning murders/hiding terrorists ; binadamu hapendi muuaji afadhali mwizi wa pesa. Rem I still work & live with Muslims who are moderate and never defend a bad act. You're extreme to my observation you're just defending them for religion purpose. Kuwa moderate.
Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
AlphDoti
#30 Posted : Thursday, November 06, 2014 2:58:49 PM
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Boris Boyka wrote:
Haha hehe No attitude issues. You went off topic. You're now justifying terrorism from your defense. There's a difference in criminal gangs & terrorists. Insurgency is another chapter also. Don't mix these things like your lost brothers. In these religions the leaders have their shortcomings but to say the truth.Not all Muslims are terrorists but ALL terrorists are Muslims and majority converts. Research mwenyewe. These terror attacks involving grenades,IED's are conducted by Muslims converts & planned in mosque's. Check with investigators. None has been linked to a Christian/church, Hindu/temple or atheist. That's why it feels unsafe to be near a mosque. Mosque's are also secretive & entry isn't allowed unless you convert and are observed for some time. What are they hiding? Churches are open to anyone ata kanyari alikaribisha Moha. In short majority of Muslims have dirtified that religion & places of worship for worst things of "holy wars". You may be different but please don't fall in a pit with these majority "insanes" trying to defend them. Churches have their weakness of either money solicitation or adultery but not planning murders/hiding terrorists ; binadamu hapendi muuaji afadhali mwizi wa pesa. Rem I still work & live with Muslims who are moderate and never defend a bad act. You're extreme to my observation you're just defending them for religion purpose. Kuwa moderate.

No, you claim to work for media company, but people like you are a shame to the society. Instead of covering issues with open mind, they report with emotions.

I prove you wrong. You said all terrorist are Muslims!! What a shame you have! Are you really a journalist? We have discussed here about substandard article journalist write. Now I see why.

You also claimed that they plan these things in mosques etc. If that was true, we would be having many evidences. It is clear you don't know something called "false flag". Garments experts create imagined enemies, and they fool many. Just like the way U.S. fooled many about Al Qaeda and Taliban. Bow that you know it was their creation, what have you done?

Quote:
False flag operations are covert operations conducted by governments, corporations, or other organizations, which are designed to deceive the public in such a way that the operations appear as if they are being carried out by other entities. The name is derived from the military concept of flying false colors; that is, flying the flag of a country other than one's own.
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