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Muriel
#561 Posted : Monday, October 27, 2014 8:33:35 AM
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jaggernaut wrote:
Did you know that malaria kills over 780,000 people each year, and is worse than Ebola?


Malaria gives you suitable, relevant and multiple choices to opt for:

A) Sleep under a mosquito net
B) Do not sleep under a mosquito net - use for chickens and in gardens instead
C) Take anti-malaria drugs and complete the dose
D) Take anti-malaria drugs and do not complete the dose
E) Do nothing

Spoilt for choice in malaria business.
masukuma
#562 Posted : Monday, October 27, 2014 10:10:22 AM
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Muriel wrote:
jaggernaut wrote:
Did you know that malaria kills over 780,000 people each year, and is worse than Ebola?


Malaria gives you suitable, relevant and multiple choices to opt for:

A) Sleep under a mosquito net
B) Do not sleep under a mosquito net - use for chickens and in gardens instead
C) Take anti-malaria drugs and complete the dose
D) Take anti-malaria drugs and do not complete the dose
E) Do nothing

Spoilt for choice in malaria business.

While not as many as Malaria's, Ebola gives you suitable, relevant and multiple choices to opt for as well:
a) Don't get in contact with fluids of infected persons
b) if you do get symptomatic get yourself into a health facility ASAP
c) Kunywa ORS and antibiotics as you harisha and tapika
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
Muriel
#563 Posted : Monday, October 27, 2014 11:57:20 AM
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masukuma wrote:
Muriel wrote:
jaggernaut wrote:
Did you know that malaria kills over 780,000 people each year, and is worse than Ebola?


Malaria gives you suitable, relevant and multiple choices to opt for:

A) Sleep under a mosquito net
B) Do not sleep under a mosquito net - use for chickens and in gardens instead
C) Take anti-malaria drugs and complete the dose
D) Take anti-malaria drugs and do not complete the dose
E) Do nothing

Spoilt for choice in malaria business.

While not as many as Malaria's, Ebola gives you suitable, relevant and multiple choices to opt for as well:
a) Don't get in contact with fluids of infected persons
b) if you do get symptomatic get yourself into a health facility ASAP
c) Kunywa ORS and antibiotics as you harisha and tapika


Absolutely!

Hence I, you, anyone can thumb nose at malaria and sneer at it - and get away with it.

It is a defeated foe. Unless one 'wants' to die from it, ita do?

The problem with malaria is not malaria but people.

masukuma
#564 Posted : Tuesday, October 28, 2014 12:13:52 PM
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Muriel wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Muriel wrote:
jaggernaut wrote:
Did you know that malaria kills over 780,000 people each year, and is worse than Ebola?


Malaria gives you suitable, relevant and multiple choices to opt for:

A) Sleep under a mosquito net
B) Do not sleep under a mosquito net - use for chickens and in gardens instead
C) Take anti-malaria drugs and complete the dose
D) Take anti-malaria drugs and do not complete the dose
E) Do nothing

Spoilt for choice in malaria business.

While not as many as Malaria's, Ebola gives you suitable, relevant and multiple choices to opt for as well:
a) Don't get in contact with fluids of infected persons
b) if you do get symptomatic get yourself into a health facility ASAP
c) Kunywa ORS and antibiotics as you harisha and tapika


Absolutely!

Hence I, you, anyone can thumb nose at malaria and sneer at it - and get away with it.

It is a defeated foe. Unless one 'wants' to die from it, ita do?

The problem with malaria is not malaria but people.


really? many children under 5 are dying and they don't 'want' to die. the 7 Jumbo jet's analogy shows that this is not the case. The thing about Ebola is that it has scared you and other people sh*tless to a point where it's like nothing else exists - it's a deer in headlights situation for most people. Everyone tends to forget that for each of those 120 people dying daily from Ebola I know that there are possibly 120 people or more dying from Malaria.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
AlphDoti
#565 Posted : Tuesday, October 28, 2014 12:24:24 PM
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masukuma wrote:
Muriel wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Muriel wrote:
jaggernaut wrote:
Did you know that malaria kills over 780,000 people each year, and is worse than Ebola?


Malaria gives you suitable, relevant and multiple choices to opt for:

A) Sleep under a mosquito net
B) Do not sleep under a mosquito net - use for chickens and in gardens instead
C) Take anti-malaria drugs and complete the dose
D) Take anti-malaria drugs and do not complete the dose
E) Do nothing

Spoilt for choice in malaria business.

While not as many as Malaria's, Ebola gives you suitable, relevant and multiple choices to opt for as well:
a) Don't get in contact with fluids of infected persons
b) if you do get symptomatic get yourself into a health facility ASAP
c) Kunywa ORS and antibiotics as you harisha and tapika


Absolutely!

Hence I, you, anyone can thumb nose at malaria and sneer at it - and get away with it.

It is a defeated foe. Unless one 'wants' to die from it, ita do?

The problem with malaria is not malaria but people.


really? many children under 5 are dying and they don't 'want' to die. the 7 Jumbo jet's analogy shows that this is not the case. The thing about Ebola is that it has scared you and other people sh*tless to a point where it's like nothing else exists - it's a deer in headlights situation for most people. Everyone tends to forget that for each of those 120 people dying daily from Ebola I know that there are possibly 120 people or more dying from Malaria.

@masukums Applause

Truth be told, it's "WHO" not "WHAT" that matters Liar
masukuma
#566 Posted : Tuesday, October 28, 2014 1:57:59 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:

@masukums Applause

Truth be told, it's "WHO" not "WHAT" that matters Liar

yes @alph is right... it's not WHAT but 'WHO'.... my fellow Africans.. don't behave like Americans.... you are not Americans... you have different set of diseases that kill you only and kills you in large numbers (in addition to ebola) and the only reason we are seeing all this noise making is because

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Muriel
#567 Posted : Tuesday, October 28, 2014 2:05:37 PM
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masukuma wrote:
Muriel wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Muriel wrote:
jaggernaut wrote:
Did you know that malaria kills over 780,000 people each year, and is worse than Ebola?


Malaria gives you suitable, relevant and multiple choices to opt for:

A) Sleep under a mosquito net
B) Do not sleep under a mosquito net - use for chickens and in gardens instead
C) Take anti-malaria drugs and complete the dose
D) Take anti-malaria drugs and do not complete the dose
E) Do nothing

Spoilt for choice in malaria business.

While not as many as Malaria's, Ebola gives you suitable, relevant and multiple choices to opt for as well:
a) Don't get in contact with fluids of infected persons
b) if you do get symptomatic get yourself into a health facility ASAP
c) Kunywa ORS and antibiotics as you harisha and tapika


Absolutely!

Hence I, you, anyone can thumb nose at malaria and sneer at it - and get away with it.

It is a defeated foe. Unless one 'wants' to die from it, ita do?

The problem with malaria is not malaria but people.


really? many children under 5 are dying and they don't 'want' to die. the 7 Jumbo jet's analogy shows that this is not the case. The thing about Ebola is that it has scared you and other people sh*tless to a point where it's like nothing else exists - it's a deer in headlights situation for most people. Everyone tends to forget that for each of those 120 people dying daily from Ebola I know that there are possibly 120 people or more dying from Malaria.


Masukuma,

The weakest link in the chain of RBM (or TB) is people. It is not technology / ITNs, drugs or the mosquito. For anything horrendous to happen to a <5 yr old (or any child for that matter) we must not ask the child but the parent, caregiver, or guardian. Lets leave the phraseology at that?

I have noted before that ebola is in its 'infancy' (or perhaps 'embryonic stage') in regard to the 'time' it has 'interacted' with human beings.

When it has done so, perhaps as long as malaria has, nothing else may exist. Literally. Perspective. Therefore, we should not have even started comparing ebola to malaria. They are not alike whichever which way they are considered.

That is the danger with analogies.

PS

Have you considered that the originators of that malaria/tb - ebola analogy are (deliberately) highlighting the multitude of (less developed) people still dying of (treatable) diseases. You have not come across cancer - ebola analogy lying around some place have you?

You sometimes fight against the wrong side, bwana. Perspective. Wachana na Alphdoti.
masukuma
#568 Posted : Wednesday, October 29, 2014 11:47:30 AM
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Muriel wrote:

Masukuma,

The weakest link in the chain of RBM (or TB) is people. It is not technology / ITNs, drugs or the mosquito. For anything horrendous to happen to a <5 yr old (or any child for that matter) we must not ask the child but the parent, caregiver, or guardian. Lets leave the phraseology at that?

I have noted before that ebola is in its 'infancy' (or perhaps 'embryonic stage') in regard to the 'time' it has 'interacted' with human beings.

When it has done so, perhaps as long as malaria has, nothing else may exist. Literally. Perspective. Therefore, we should not have even started comparing ebola to malaria. They are not alike whichever which way they are considered.

That is the danger with analogies.

PS

Have you considered that the originators of that malaria/tb - ebola analogy are (deliberately) highlighting the multitude of (less developed) people still dying of (treatable) diseases. You have not come across cancer - ebola analogy lying around some place have you?

You sometimes fight against the wrong side, bwana. Perspective. Wachana na Alphdoti.

Ebola is in it's infancy? I don't think so! I think Ebola, HIV and other Zoonotic diseases have always been with us - the only thing is that people now travel more. ebola may be responsible for clearing and forwarding of entire villages in the equatorial forests for millenia - the reason we don't know about it is because no one survived. I suspect there are diseases lurking in the Amazon that have do the same to the inhabitants. If an entire village was swept off the face of the earth some 100-1000 years ago somewhere deep in the equitorial forest... who would have written about it? We are now seening these diseases simply because we are now travelling more and we are connected to these people. Would it suprise you if I told you that I knew that NBC cameraman? I think I met him on a certain bash and we were on the same mailing list discussing ebola. Now that you know me... you are 3 degrees of separation away from a person who actually had Ebola - that is the reality of this world that makes people think 'things are new'.

In other news... Hospital beds are empty.... in Monrovia. I first heard this story from a dude who works next to the main road in Monrovia. Ambulances in October have been far less active... in September the road was screaming with sirens. He told me that Hospital beds are empty and naturally I didn't trust him.... I just saw an article today in the new york times that points to that.

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Muriel
#569 Posted : Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:20:17 PM
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masukuma wrote:

Ebola is in it's infancy? I don't think so! I think Ebola, HIV and other Zoonotic diseases have always been with us - the only thing is that people now travel more. ebola may be responsible for clearing and forwarding of entire villages in the equatorial forests for millenia - the reason we don't know about it is because no one survived. I suspect there are diseases lurking in the Amazon that have do the same to the inhabitants. If an entire village was swept off the face of the earth some 100-1000 years ago somewhere deep in the equitorial forest... who would have written about it? We are now seening these diseases simply because we are now travelling more and we are connected to these people. Would it suprise you if I told you that I knew that NBC cameraman? I think I met him on a certain bash and we were on the same mailing list discussing ebola. Now that you know me... you are 3 degrees of separation away from a person who actually had Ebola - that is the reality of this world that makes people think 'things are new'.

In other news... Hospital beds are empty.... in Monrovia. I first heard this story from a dude who works next to the main road in Monrovia. Ambulances in October have been far less active... in September the road was screaming with sirens. He told me that Hospital beds are empty and naturally I didn't trust him.... I just saw an article today in the new york times that points to that.



Naturally, I assume there is scientific evidence of this?

Lets use what we know for certain.
masukuma
#570 Posted : Wednesday, October 29, 2014 2:20:26 PM
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Muriel wrote:
masukuma wrote:

Ebola is in it's infancy? I don't think so! I think Ebola, HIV and other Zoonotic diseases have always been with us - the only thing is that people now travel more. ebola may be responsible for clearing and forwarding of entire villages in the equatorial forests for millenia - the reason we don't know about it is because no one survived. I suspect there are diseases lurking in the Amazon that have do the same to the inhabitants. If an entire village was swept off the face of the earth some 100-1000 years ago somewhere deep in the equitorial forest... who would have written about it? We are now seening these diseases simply because we are now travelling more and we are connected to these people. Would it suprise you if I told you that I knew that NBC cameraman? I think I met him on a certain bash and we were on the same mailing list discussing ebola. Now that you know me... you are 3 degrees of separation away from a person who actually had Ebola - that is the reality of this world that makes people think 'things are new'.

In other news... Hospital beds are empty.... in Monrovia. I first heard this story from a dude who works next to the main road in Monrovia. Ambulances in October have been far less active... in September the road was screaming with sirens. He told me that Hospital beds are empty and naturally I didn't trust him.... I just saw an article today in the new york times that points to that.



Naturally, I assume there is scientific evidence of this?

Lets use what we know for certain.

the term 'may' explains it all....

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wanyee
#571 Posted : Wednesday, October 29, 2014 3:12:51 PM
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The West Africans are still eating game meat, bats and primates ..this will not end soon ..a veterinary and culinary revolution is needed...but at this rate the next thing they will get from their kitchen delights... we got no idea..it will be worse
masukuma
#572 Posted : Wednesday, October 29, 2014 3:32:14 PM
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wanyee wrote:
The West Africans are still eating game meat, bats and primates ..this will not end soon ..a veterinary and culinary revolution is needed...but at this rate the next thing they will get from their kitchen delights... we got no idea..it will be worse

I think the 'eating game meat, bats and primates' narrative has to be put in context. This is the context
1) patient 0 MAY have eaten uncooked 'game meat, bats and primates' or may have come across feaces of 'game animals, bats and primates' sometime in Nov/Dec last year. This is where it jumped species.
2) subsequent transmission were human to human.

ION

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Muriel
#573 Posted : Wednesday, October 29, 2014 4:25:39 PM
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masukuma wrote:
Muriel wrote:
masukuma wrote:

Ebola is in it's infancy? I don't think so! I think Ebola, HIV and other Zoonotic diseases have always been with us - the only thing is that people now travel more. ebola may be responsible for clearing and forwarding of entire villages in the equatorial forests for millenia - the reason we don't know about it is because no one survived. I suspect there are diseases lurking in the Amazon that have do the same to the inhabitants. If an entire village was swept off the face of the earth some 100-1000 years ago somewhere deep in the equitorial forest... who would have written about it? We are now seening these diseases simply because we are now travelling more and we are connected to these people. Would it suprise you if I told you that I knew that NBC cameraman? I think I met him on a certain bash and we were on the same mailing list discussing ebola. Now that you know me... you are 3 degrees of separation away from a person who actually had Ebola - that is the reality of this world that makes people think 'things are new'.

In other news... Hospital beds are empty.... in Monrovia. I first heard this story from a dude who works next to the main road in Monrovia. Ambulances in October have been far less active... in September the road was screaming with sirens. He told me that Hospital beds are empty and naturally I didn't trust him.... I just saw an article today in the new york times that points to that.



Naturally, I assume there is scientific evidence of this?

Lets use what we know for certain.

the term 'may' explains it all....



.... that it has moved from the realm of fact, certainity, science to the realm of hearsay.
masukuma
#574 Posted : Wednesday, October 29, 2014 4:58:40 PM
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Muriel wrote:

.... that it has moved from the realm of fact, certainity, science to the realm of hearsay.

laugh
laugh
laugh

funny guy!
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AlphDoti
#575 Posted : Wednesday, October 29, 2014 5:08:02 PM
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masukuma wrote:
wanyee wrote:
The West Africans are still eating game meat, bats and primates ..this will not end soon ..a veterinary and culinary revolution is needed...but at this rate the next thing they will get from their kitchen delights... we got no idea..it will be worse

I think the 'eating game meat, bats and primates' narrative has to be put in context. This is the context
1) patient 0 MAY have eaten uncooked 'game meat, bats and primates' or may have come across feaces of 'game animals, bats and primates' sometime in Nov/Dec last year. This is where it jumped species.
2) subsequent transmission were human to human.

ION

Hold there !! Shame on you

1. West African people ate game meat, bats and primates for how long before?
2. Let us assume from great-great-gand-parents
3. "First generation": Ebola feared the great-great-grand-parents-children
4. "Second generation": Ebola again feared the great-grand-parents-children
5. "Third generation": Ebola again feared the grand-parents-children
6. "Fourth generation": Ebola again feared the parents-children
7. "Fifth generation": Ebola now said this is the time we were waiting for, late 19s, we can infect these guys, children

How about that for game meat eating?
masukuma
#576 Posted : Wednesday, October 29, 2014 5:27:46 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
masukuma wrote:
wanyee wrote:
The West Africans are still eating game meat, bats and primates ..this will not end soon ..a veterinary and culinary revolution is needed...but at this rate the next thing they will get from their kitchen delights... we got no idea..it will be worse

I think the 'eating game meat, bats and primates' narrative has to be put in context. This is the context
1) patient 0 MAY have eaten uncooked 'game meat, bats and primates' or may have come across feaces of 'game animals, bats and primates' sometime in Nov/Dec last year. This is where it jumped species.
2) subsequent transmission were human to human.

ION

Hold there !! Shame on you

1. West African people ate game meat, bats and primates for how long before?
2. Let us assume from great-great-gand-parents
3. "First generation": Ebola feared the great-great-grand-parents-children
4. "Second generation": Ebola again feared the great-grand-parents-children
5. "Third generation": Ebola again feared the grand-parents-children
6. "Fourth generation": Ebola again feared the parents-children
7. "Fifth generation": Ebola now said this is the time we were waiting for, late 19s, we can infect these guys, children

How about that for game meat eating?

again the eating game meat nexus with ebola has to be put in context
1) not all bats, primates and game meat have ebola
2) not all bats, primates and game meat that have ebola and are eaten by humans infect the human
3) not all infected humans get to be known

It's like Anthrax - just because I have been eating cows like my folks and their folks before them does not mean that if I today got anthrax from eating beef implies that it feared my folks. Context my friend... Context..... it may have killed some of my ansestors and someone burnt an old woman claiming that they bewitched my relatives. Many old women may (ingiza Muriel hapa) have been burnt for bewitching first gen e.t.c. We are living in a connected world and so we tend to think every generation before us knew where Lofa county was!
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murchr
#577 Posted : Wednesday, October 29, 2014 6:25:30 PM
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masukuma wrote:
masukuma wrote:
wanyee wrote:
The West Africans are still eating game meat, bats and primates ..this will not end soon ..a veterinary and culinary revolution is needed...but at this rate the next thing they will get from their kitchen delights... we got no idea..it will be worse

I think the 'eating game meat, bats and primates' narrative has to be put in context. This is the context
1) patient 0 MAY have eaten uncooked 'game meat, bats and primates' or may have come across feaces of 'game animals, bats and primates' sometime in Nov/Dec last year. This is where it jumped species.
2) subsequent transmission were human to human.

ION

again the eating game meat nexus with ebola has to be put in context1) not all bats, primates and game meat have ebola
2) not all bats, primates and game meat that have ebola and are eaten by humans infect the human
3) not all infected humans get to be known

It's like Anthrax - just because I have been eating cows like my folks and their folks before them does not mean that if I today got anthrax from eating beef implies that it feared my folks. Context my friend... Context..... it may have killed some of my ansestors and someone burnt an old woman claiming that they bewitched my relatives. Many old women may (ingiza Muriel hapa) have been burnt for bewitching first gen e.t.c. We are living in a connected world and so we tend to think every generation before us knew where Lofa county was!


Idealy these guys have no vetinary officials who would veryify that the meat they use to make bat soup and monkey stew is not infected. So its possible that there was patient 0 who went ahead and infected others but its also possible that many others went ahead to eat infected bats and monkeys.
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masukuma
#578 Posted : Wednesday, October 29, 2014 6:45:08 PM
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murchr wrote:
masukuma wrote:
masukuma wrote:
wanyee wrote:
The West Africans are still eating game meat, bats and primates ..this will not end soon ..a veterinary and culinary revolution is needed...but at this rate the next thing they will get from their kitchen delights... we got no idea..it will be worse

I think the 'eating game meat, bats and primates' narrative has to be put in context. This is the context
1) patient 0 MAY have eaten uncooked 'game meat, bats and primates' or may have come across feaces of 'game animals, bats and primates' sometime in Nov/Dec last year. This is where it jumped species.
2) subsequent transmission were human to human.

ION

again the eating game meat nexus with ebola has to be put in context1) not all bats, primates and game meat have ebola
2) not all bats, primates and game meat that have ebola and are eaten by humans infect the human
3) not all infected humans get to be known

It's like Anthrax - just because I have been eating cows like my folks and their folks before them does not mean that if I today got anthrax from eating beef implies that it feared my folks. Context my friend... Context..... it may have killed some of my ansestors and someone burnt an old woman claiming that they bewitched my relatives. Many old women may (ingiza Muriel hapa) have been burnt for bewitching first gen e.t.c. We are living in a connected world and so we tend to think every generation before us knew where Lofa county was!


Idealy these guys have no vetinary officials who would veryify that the meat they use to make bat soup and monkey stew is not infected. So its possible that there was patient 0 who went ahead and infected others but its also possible that many others went ahead to eat infected bats and monkeys.

you can actually trace the explosion of this disease from that one child (who did not eat but may have come across a dead bat/monkey or it's droppings e.t.c. the reason I say she did not eat is because If she had eaten it's unlikely she would have eaten alone or she may have gotten it from preparation of the beasts and the whole family would have been the first to be sick but she was the only one sick first and she died and her family followed). by the way do you know that the disease exploded when a witchdoctor thumped her bony chest and claimed that she could heal people and thus people cross borders to get assistance and the old hag also caught the disease and spread it to others in her community wakikujia irizi zao - from that point forward it exploded (her being a prominent person and all her burial was 'grand'). by the way they had kicked it from Liberia only for a family from Sierra Leone to bring it back. It's all human-to-human transmission after patient 0.
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murchr
#579 Posted : Wednesday, October 29, 2014 7:04:31 PM
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masukuma wrote:
murchr wrote:
masukuma wrote:
masukuma wrote:
wanyee wrote:
The West Africans are still eating game meat, bats and primates ..this will not end soon ..a veterinary and culinary revolution is needed...but at this rate the next thing they will get from their kitchen delights... we got no idea..it will be worse

I think the 'eating game meat, bats and primates' narrative has to be put in context. This is the context
1) patient 0 MAY have eaten uncooked 'game meat, bats and primates' or may have come across feaces of 'game animals, bats and primates' sometime in Nov/Dec last year. This is where it jumped species.
2) subsequent transmission were human to human.

ION

again the eating game meat nexus with ebola has to be put in context1) not all bats, primates and game meat have ebola
2) not all bats, primates and game meat that have ebola and are eaten by humans infect the human
3) not all infected humans get to be known

It's like Anthrax - just because I have been eating cows like my folks and their folks before them does not mean that if I today got anthrax from eating beef implies that it feared my folks. Context my friend... Context..... it may have killed some of my ansestors and someone burnt an old woman claiming that they bewitched my relatives. Many old women may (ingiza Muriel hapa) have been burnt for bewitching first gen e.t.c. We are living in a connected world and so we tend to think every generation before us knew where Lofa county was!


Idealy these guys have no vetinary officials who would veryify that the meat they use to make bat soup and monkey stew is not infected. So its possible that there was patient 0 who went ahead and infected others but its also possible that many others went ahead to eat infected bats and monkeys.

you can actually trace the explosion of this disease from that one child (who did not eat but may have come across a dead bat/monkey or it's droppings e.t.c. the reason I say she did not eat is because If she had eaten it's unlikely she would have eaten alone or she may have gotten it from preparation of the beasts and the whole family would have been the first to be sick but she was the only one sick first and she died and her family followed). by the way do you know that the disease exploded when a witchdoctor thumped her bony chest and claimed that she could heal people and thus people cross borders to get assistance and the old hag also caught the disease and spread it to others in her community wakikujia irizi zao - from that point forward it exploded (her being a prominent person and all her burial was 'grand'). by the way they had kicked it from Liberia only for a family from Sierra Leone to bring it back. It's all human-to-human transmission after patient 0.


There are those who dispute the child story because its said that s/he was an infant thats why she wouldnt have eaten the meat bat or monkey. So if this story is true then the adults would have been the ones who infected the child but since its immunity is weak, s/he died first.

My worry is no African doctor is out to study this and other viruses that are prevalent in this part of the world
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masukuma
#580 Posted : Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:00:06 PM
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murchr wrote:
masukuma wrote:
murchr wrote:
masukuma wrote:
masukuma wrote:
wanyee wrote:
The West Africans are still eating game meat, bats and primates ..this will not end soon ..a veterinary and culinary revolution is needed...but at this rate the next thing they will get from their kitchen delights... we got no idea..it will be worse

I think the 'eating game meat, bats and primates' narrative has to be put in context. This is the context
1) patient 0 MAY have eaten uncooked 'game meat, bats and primates' or may have come across feaces of 'game animals, bats and primates' sometime in Nov/Dec last year. This is where it jumped species.
2) subsequent transmission were human to human.

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again the eating game meat nexus with ebola has to be put in context1) not all bats, primates and game meat have ebola
2) not all bats, primates and game meat that have ebola and are eaten by humans infect the human
3) not all infected humans get to be known

It's like Anthrax - just because I have been eating cows like my folks and their folks before them does not mean that if I today got anthrax from eating beef implies that it feared my folks. Context my friend... Context..... it may have killed some of my ansestors and someone burnt an old woman claiming that they bewitched my relatives. Many old women may (ingiza Muriel hapa) have been burnt for bewitching first gen e.t.c. We are living in a connected world and so we tend to think every generation before us knew where Lofa county was!


Idealy these guys have no vetinary officials who would veryify that the meat they use to make bat soup and monkey stew is not infected. So its possible that there was patient 0 who went ahead and infected others but its also possible that many others went ahead to eat infected bats and monkeys.

you can actually trace the explosion of this disease from that one child (who did not eat but may have come across a dead bat/monkey or it's droppings e.t.c. the reason I say she did not eat is because If she had eaten it's unlikely she would have eaten alone or she may have gotten it from preparation of the beasts and the whole family would have been the first to be sick but she was the only one sick first and she died and her family followed). by the way do you know that the disease exploded when a witchdoctor thumped her bony chest and claimed that she could heal people and thus people cross borders to get assistance and the old hag also caught the disease and spread it to others in her community wakikujia irizi zao - from that point forward it exploded (her being a prominent person and all her burial was 'grand'). by the way they had kicked it from Liberia only for a family from Sierra Leone to bring it back. It's all human-to-human transmission after patient 0.


There are those who dispute the child story because its said that s/he was an infant thats why she wouldnt have eaten the meat bat or monkey. So if this story is true then the adults would have been the ones who infected the child but since its immunity is weak, s/he died first.

My worry is no African doctor is out to study this and other viruses that are prevalent in this part of the world

what was her age? if she was an infant yes... if she was under 13 it could be that she picked it without eating. handling dead animals and or droppings from these infected animals would cause a cross spiecies infection.
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