@nanfor,are you a lawyer? You are very articulate

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@ wendz - i think the guys behind the standard group (ktn) are the same as the guys behind car track. That may explain why they could risk it.

So far we know that KTN guys checked several cars and allegedly did not get the devices. What if the devices are of such a type and are so installed that they cannot be located by anyone other than Track It? They should have been more believable if they had the Track It guys fail to trace a car said to be fitted with the device.

The other concern is with privacy issues (one reason why I do not use Nakumatt Smart card btw); just how did they get access to the details of the cars fitted with the Track It device? Did the owners consent to their being obtained and did Track It allow it to be released to them? I think there may be something in the Communication Amendment Act of 2008 making that illegal.

This incident shows just how powerful the media can be and how they can destroy you. I say that because I am very sure that the Standard Group would not let any story undermining what they have already given out to come out and NMG would probably just stay out of it.

@nanfor - I generally find your arguements in this matter persuasive however I feel that the company has really been dealt a fatal blow and the way they have handled the response has been incompetent. In fact the last person who should have come to address the issues should not have been the MD - too emotional,one look at him and you are like 'the dude is guilty' and his general demenour is like that guy Melli at Standard Group.




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I am having my doubts about both parties. KTN - The thinnest $20k I have ever seen. That envelope was/looked thin. And what's with throwing the $20 bills in the air? That is 1,000 notes. No way that envelope could have 1,000 $20 notes.

Track-It: Why has the MD not been arrested?

Greedy when others are fearful,Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase WB

Good question. If the device is easy to find then what's the point? An experienced thief will remove it.

Greedy when others are fearful,Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase WB

@mkenyan,

totally agree with you. They should never have allowed the accused MD to appear on TV. In fact,just having a mechanic claim that the said guy who was the 'expert' was fired would have sufficed. I feel for him but even if he is innocent,I doubt anyone other than his mother would believe him after what I saw.

I know it is illegal for anyone other than track it to have information about their business and clients. I don't know about Kenyan lawyers but anyone who is on that list that Moha has should be able to sue track it in any other country. Track it also has a great business secrets case against standard especially since standard and car track may be related. All they have to do is show that since KTN has their documents,they basically STOLE them. (any kenyan business lawyer in the house?)

To me this story is a great story. However,I think prudent journalism should have taken this story in a different direction with no chance of counter arguments.

They should have got the Ruto guy to claim his car was stolen. Driven his car to TZ (of course having told some cop about it),and shown how easy it was to steal the car. Then ask the question 'did track it even install the gadget?'. Kweli how hard was that?

It would then have been upto track it to prove that they install the devices then KTN would have brought their allegations. Otherwise,it reeks of a set up.

@ZE. I am not supporting track it. However,guys like you are a dime a dozen and come up with claims anytime you see a TVcamera and even a forum.

@Chaka...Surely independent verification cannot be done by a disgruntled former employee who is probably working for Car Track as we speak.

@all..this to me is an excellent study in any business school on how not to deal with the media. It is also an excellent case study on how much power should be given to the media. Have you noticed how no one wants to sue the other. the Mhindi isn't going to sue and Ktn is not taking this case to court.

I just don't believe anyone in this story and if I were you I would keep away from any journalist. In fact,I think I will keep away for sk for a while.You guys could all be cops and journalists selling us fake stories again.

@mkenyan and all..........The live tracking option is quit expensive and mostly meant for taxi and transit lorries/trailers.The most affordable in this category cost KES. 2,550 per month on top of installation charges of around KES. 35,000.And u have to pay this monthly subscription upfront for the one year period or u can opt to sign a standing order with Track-It for two years..!!!

But what akina yahe wameweka is the cheapest offer in any tracking category,normally reffered to as Passive Tracking,u got to wait till your car is stolen then u call Track-It,then they 'activate it' (I dont know how) then they start tracking the car.Like 90% of all mortals including those here in SK have this version.......This only cost KES. 35,000 installation cost plus yearly subscription of KES. 12,500.

Mpigs like Eseli and Iso-Ruto should have applied for the Live/Active version,because they can afford it and stop bickering here ati they 'are living in a fools paradise' But for hapless mortals like Njung'e,Mkenyan,Jammo,Wendz,McReggae....et al,pray had and just have faith and hope.

@mkenyan...And what to do with this Nakumart smartcard??? I have Tuskys and U-Card and was thinking of trashing this U-card thing and replace it with the Nakumart one..Please advive me.Thanks.


Which is more dirty,the pig or Kenyan mp?

I have one question for all those who use this device.

Why would you want to have it? I don't get it. If your car is stolen,isn't the insurance company supposed to pay for it? I can't see any logical reason why an individual would want it. I would think only a fleet company would need it.

why would you want a cannibalised car back when your insurance company can get you a better car? Or is there something I am missing?

@Chaka

The cost of 35K + 12.5K is equal to the comprehensive cover for a car worth 1.25m,ama?


I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone.

@obi:

Off the top of my head these issues pop up (and of course I am generally sceptical of the media):

-Should the end justify the means?
-What could be the Track It company's story and will it see the light of day in light of the fact that KTN has already taken a stand on the matter?
-if KBC,CITIZEN,NTV etc are worse than KTN (IF) would that necessitate us not holding KTN to a high standards?
-The story and accusation by KTN is a very serious one that would most likely lead to Track It folding with several people being jobless; should'nt the reporters and the station thus make sure that the story is as strong as it possible is. Have in mind that we are showing some flaws in it here and we are not like some lawyers preparing for a brief over it.

@impunity - Have no problem with Nakumatt or their Smart Card. Just do not like the idea of someone having details of what I believe are personal like name,contact details; the type of stuff I buy; my daily (monthly) expenditure. Problem is that all that information is stored by Nakumatt (they would be stupid if they do not as that is one of the general idea behind it) and they use it for their planning and marketing. Such information can easily be abused. Do not know Nakumatt's Privacy Policy or do I know of how secure their database is.

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@nanfor - I do not have a tracking device but I would imagine it would come in handy if you really get attached to your car,you want to punish the thieves and make sure they do not benefit or if you are unwise enough to want to confirm that your partner is cheating on you.

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