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symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Mukiri wrote:Kwani you people are only, just now realizing how perverted that guy is? He's a recruit into Islam because of the extra wives and promise of virgins. The amount of sexual innuendo his posts are laced with, are enough to make any sailor blush. I have a feeling he wants to mount his Wazua sister(s). As far as we've seen, pastors have been filling and dominating the news with sexual innuendos all over Even people's wives are not spared. Contrary to what your Bible told you to take only the virgins as shown in Number 31:15-40 below. I believe sailors can blush if they discovered the Bible verse below? Numbers 31:15 - "have you kept all the women alive? Numbers 31:16 - Now therefore kill every male among the little ones. Numbers 31:17 - And kill every woman who has known a man intimately. Numbers 31:18 - But keep alive for yourselves all the young girls who have not known a man intimately. This is the instruction given to Jewish soldiers in the field.Now when they see a young Palestinian girl, how can you verify whether this woman has experienced sex or not? How do you verify? The soldier in the field. Numbers 31:35 - And they saved for themselves 32,000 girls, who had not known a man by lying with him Numbers 31:40 - and they saved 32 girls for the LordWhat does the Lord do with 32 girls who have been confirmed to be virgin? I answered you here. symbols wrote:Yes they are your words. Numbers 31:18 wrote:But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31:41 wrote:And Moses gave the tribute, which was the Lord's heave offering, unto Eleazar the priest, as the Lord commanded Moses. I am still waiting for you here. How does above answer: 1. Jewish soldiers in the field, they see a young girl, how did they verify whether this woman has experienced sex or not? How do you verify? 2. What does the Lord do with 32 girls who have been confirmed to be virgin (Numbers 31:35)?
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AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Mukiri wrote:Kwani you people are only, just now realizing how perverted that guy is? He's a recruit into Islam because of the extra wives and promise of virgins. The amount of sexual innuendo his posts are laced with, are enough to make any sailor blush. I have a feeling he wants to mount his Wazua sister(s). As far as we've seen, pastors have been filling and dominating the news with sexual innuendos all over Even people's wives are not spared. Contrary to what your Bible told you to take only the virgins as shown in Number 31:15-40 below. I believe sailors can blush if they discovered the Bible verse below? Numbers 31:15 - "have you kept all the women alive? Numbers 31:16 - Now therefore kill every male among the little ones. Numbers 31:17 - And kill every woman who has known a man intimately. Numbers 31:18 - But keep alive for yourselves all the young girls who have not known a man intimately. This is the instruction given to Jewish soldiers in the field.Now when they see a young Palestinian girl, how can you verify whether this woman has experienced sex or not? How do you verify? The soldier in the field. Numbers 31:35 - And they saved for themselves 32,000 girls, who had not known a man by lying with him Numbers 31:40 - and they saved 32 girls for the LordWhat does the Lord do with 32 girls who have been confirmed to be virgin? I answered you here. symbols wrote:Yes they are your words. Numbers 31:18 wrote:But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31:41 wrote:And Moses gave the tribute, which was the Lord's heave offering, unto Eleazar the priest, as the Lord commanded Moses. I am still waiting for you here. How does above answer: 1. Jewish soldiers in the field, they see a young girl, how did they verify whether this woman has experienced sex or not? How do you verify? 2. What does the Lord do with 32 girls who have been confirmed to be virgin (Numbers 31:35)? Reply
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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.jpg) Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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IS have released a propaganda video showing 250-300 IS recruits undergoing training in what appears to be preparations to defend Anbar Province in Iraq. It won't be easy for the coalition to regain Anbar's populated districts without a serious ground offensive.
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IS poster Sex jihadists want to return home. Link - http://www.itv.com/news/...r-joining-islamic-state/
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Great interview by Al Jazeera with Tariq Ramadan, a respected Islamic scholar. He has provided straightforward answers to some of the questions asked here before without the usual religious defensiveness/goggles we see here: http://www.aljazeera.com...2014101015462542487.html
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AlphDoti wrote: No, virginity is not a big deal to me. But it was a big deal to God in Bible Numbers 31:35. I'm not the one who wrote that verse.
So tell us, how did the soldiers in the field confirmed woman has not known a man intimately (Numbers 31:35)?
It is not about me or you here. So your questions (a) and (b) are irrelevant.
Blow me down! I will file this for future use upon your daughters if it becomes necessary (I dearly sincerely, pray, hope, desire it won't come to that). This can of worms you just opened is nasty. The things you say! Do you honestly engage your brain before you 'open your mouth'? So now you ask how? Do you not feel awkward in giving an answer first then asking the question later? But its no big deal for you. You are Alphdoti, afterall. I will answer you because I am not 'Alphdoti'.
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AlphDoti wrote: No, virginity is not a big deal to me. But it was a big deal to God in Bible Numbers 31:35. I'm not the one who wrote that verse.
So tell us, how did the soldiers in the field confirmed woman has not known a man intimately (Numbers 31:35)?
It is not about me or you here. So your questions (a) and (b) are irrelevant.
1. Did God instruct or permit the soldiers to rape the women, and 2. Did the soldiers actually rape them? It's clear that God didn't intend for the soldiers to rape the women, but rather to take them captive. 1. The law God had given to the Israelites condemned rape, in some cases punishing it with death (Deut 22:25-27). 2. Also, immediately following the command to spare the virgin women, the soldiers were instructed to purify themselves and their captives (31:19), and rape (or consensual intercourse) would have violated this command (Lev 15:16-18). 3. The women are usually referred to as people (using the masculine adam), not women or virgins, underscoring the notion that they were seen as captives rather than sexual objects. (Unlike Muslims and the sexual jihad stuff, or the virgins of the afterlife). It's theoretically possible that some of the soldiers raped some of the women, but given the circumstances it seems very unlikely. Not practically possible. 1. The soldiers would have known that rape was a violation of both the law and the instruction to purify themselves, as shown above; 2. they had also seen God punish such violations with death during their travels in the desert. For example, they experienced a plague and executions resulting from their relations with Midianite women (25:1-9), as Moses reminded them. At that time, all those who had sexual relations with the Midianites were killed. It's highly implausible that the soldiers would have wanted to have anything to do with the women given this context. So what did happen to the women (and children)? 1. God gave the Israelites permission to marry women they took captive, but they were to treat their wives with respect. 2. the women were to have time to mourn their families first, and were not to be mistreated (Dt 21:10-14). 3. Those who didn't marry would have become servants, but there were rules against mistreating them as well (Ex 21:26-27, Dt 23:15-16). No indication is given how they were determined to be virgins but all indications are given that they were nonetheless treated with respect, dignity, and consideration, aspects of humanity foreign and unknown to Muslim men on their treatement of muslim women. Muslim men who only think of rape, sex, virgins as did Mohammed. How they were treated rules out possibility of violation. Simple. Comprende? I hope your brain can process all this information I have presented to it. So easy it is to answer Alphdoti. If only it were easy for him to answer me when I bring questions about the Qur'an.
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Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote: No, virginity is not a big deal to me. But it was a big deal to God in Bible Numbers 31:35. I'm not the one who wrote that verse.
So tell us, how did the soldiers in the field confirmed woman has not known a man intimately (Numbers 31:35)?
It is not about me or you here. So your questions (a) and (b) are irrelevant.
Blow me down! I will file this for future use upon your daughters if it becomes necessary (I dearly sincerely, pray, hope, desire it won't come to that). This can of worms you just opened is nasty. The things you say! Do you honestly engage your brain before you 'open your mouth'? So now you ask how? Do you not feel awkward in giving an answer first then asking the question later? But its no big deal for you. You are Alphdoti, afterall. I will answer you because I am not 'Alphdoti'. You are asking for a BJ from Alphadoti?If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote: No, virginity is not a big deal to me. But it was a big deal to God in Bible Numbers 31:35. I'm not the one who wrote that verse.
So tell us, how did the soldiers in the field confirmed woman has not known a man intimately (Numbers 31:35)?
It is not about me or you here. So your questions (a) and (b) are irrelevant.
1. Did God instruct or permit the soldiers to rape the women, and 2. Did the soldiers actually rape them? It's clear that God didn't intend for the soldiers to rape the women, but rather to take them captive. 1. The law God had given to the Israelites condemned rape, in some cases punishing it with death (Deut 22:25-27). 2. Also, immediately following the command to spare the virgin women, the soldiers were instructed to purify themselves and their captives (31:19), and rape (or consensual intercourse) would have violated this command (Lev 15:16-18). 3. The women are usually referred to as people (using the masculine adam), not women or virgins, underscoring the notion that they were seen as captives rather than sexual objects. (Unlike Muslims and the sexual jihad stuff, or the virgins of the afterlife). It's theoretically possible that some of the soldiers raped some of the women, but given the circumstances it seems very unlikely. Not practically possible. 1. The soldiers would have known that rape was a violation of both the law and the instruction to purify themselves, as shown above; 2. they had also seen God punish such violations with death during their travels in the desert. For example, they experienced a plague and executions resulting from their relations with Midianite women (25:1-9), as Moses reminded them. At that time, all those who had sexual relations with the Midianites were killed. It's highly implausible that the soldiers would have wanted to have anything to do with the women given this context. So what did happen to the women (and children)? 1. God gave the Israelites permission to marry women they took captive, but they were to treat their wives with respect. 2. the women were to have time to mourn their families first, and were not to be mistreated (Dt 21:10-14). 3. Those who didn't marry would have become servants, but there were rules against mistreating them as well (Ex 21:26-27, Dt 23:15-16). No indication is given how they were determined to be virgins but all indications are given that they were nonetheless treated with respect, dignity, and consideration, aspects of humanity foreign and unknown to Muslim men on their treatement of muslim women. Muslim men who only think of rape, sex, virgins as did Mohammed. How they were treated rules out possibility of violation. Simple. Comprende? I hope your brain can process all this information I have presented to it. So easy it is to answer Alphdoti. If only it were easy for him to answer me when I bring questions about the Qur'an. Your whole reply tried to answer whether God instructed soldiers to rape, but you did not answer the question: how did the soldiers determined virginity? The other question whether God instructed the soldiers to kill little children? Bible Numbers 31:15-17: Kill all boys: " Now therefore kill every male among the little ones." Kill all little girls: " And kill every woman who has known a man intimately, kill." Keep young women only: " But keep alive for yourselves all the young girls who have not known a man intimately."
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Swenani wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote: No, virginity is not a big deal to me. But it was a big deal to God in Bible Numbers 31:35. I'm not the one who wrote that verse.
So tell us, how did the soldiers in the field confirmed woman has not known a man intimately (Numbers 31:35)?
It is not about me or you here. So your questions (a) and (b) are irrelevant.
Blow me down! I will file this for future use upon your daughters if it becomes necessary (I dearly sincerely, pray, hope, desire it won't come to that). This can of worms you just opened is nasty. The things you say! Do you honestly engage your brain before you 'open your mouth'? So now you ask how? Do you not feel awkward in giving an answer first then asking the question later? But its no big deal for you. You are Alphdoti, afterall. I will answer you because I am not 'Alphdoti'. You are asking for a BJ from Alphadoti? @Muriel why are you cutting out @kyt's post? Still I say it's not about me or you. Let's focus of the issue. If you're worth your salt answer the question in my post above and leave personalizing issues. If you feel that instruction from God was in-appropriate say it. I know it was not you who wrote the verse, and it was neither me.
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AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote: No, virginity is not a big deal to me. But it was a big deal to God in Bible Numbers 31:35. I'm not the one who wrote that verse.
So tell us, how did the soldiers in the field confirmed woman has not known a man intimately (Numbers 31:35)?
It is not about me or you here. So your questions (a) and (b) are irrelevant.
1. Did God instruct or permit the soldiers to rape the women, and 2. Did the soldiers actually rape them? It's clear that God didn't intend for the soldiers to rape the women, but rather to take them captive. 1. The law God had given to the Israelites condemned rape, in some cases punishing it with death (Deut 22:25-27). 2. Also, immediately following the command to spare the virgin women, the soldiers were instructed to purify themselves and their captives (31:19), and rape (or consensual intercourse) would have violated this command (Lev 15:16-18). 3. The women are usually referred to as people (using the masculine adam), not women or virgins, underscoring the notion that they were seen as captives rather than sexual objects. (Unlike Muslims and the sexual jihad stuff, or the virgins of the afterlife). It's theoretically possible that some of the soldiers raped some of the women, but given the circumstances it seems very unlikely. Not practically possible. 1. The soldiers would have known that rape was a violation of both the law and the instruction to purify themselves, as shown above; 2. they had also seen God punish such violations with death during their travels in the desert. For example, they experienced a plague and executions resulting from their relations with Midianite women (25:1-9), as Moses reminded them. At that time, all those who had sexual relations with the Midianites were killed. It's highly implausible that the soldiers would have wanted to have anything to do with the women given this context. So what did happen to the women (and children)? 1. God gave the Israelites permission to marry women they took captive, but they were to treat their wives with respect. 2. the women were to have time to mourn their families first, and were not to be mistreated (Dt 21:10-14). 3. Those who didn't marry would have become servants, but there were rules against mistreating them as well (Ex 21:26-27, Dt 23:15-16). No indication is given how they were determined to be virgins but all indications are given that they were nonetheless treated with respect, dignity, and consideration, aspects of humanity foreign and unknown to Muslim men on their treatement of muslim women. Muslim men who only think of rape, sex, virgins as did Mohammed.How they were treated rules out possibility of violation. Simple. Comprende? I hope your brain can process all this information I have presented to it. So easy it is to answer Alphdoti. If only it were easy for him to answer me when I bring questions about the Qur'an. Your whole reply tried to answer whether God instructed soldiers to rape, but you did not answer the question: how did the soldiers determined virginity? The other question whether God instructed the soldiers to kill little children? Bible Numbers 31:15-17: Kill all boys: " Now therefore kill every male among the little ones." Kill all little girls: " And kill every woman who has known a man intimately, kill." Keep young women only: " But keep alive for yourselves all the young girls who have not known a man intimately." At least you should have tried to read that part. Like I feared, your brain is or was not capable of 'complex' processing. Sad. Lamentable. To someone who has just confessed that virginity is no big deal to you the interest you show in it is exceptional. Your mind just revolves around it. You dream of it, think of it and is all you want to talk about. Just like Mohammed. Now you want to move to other issues without exhausting the initial ones. Have you understood yet that Allah ransomed a certain boy with a great sacrifice?
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Swenani wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote: No, virginity is not a big deal to me. But it was a big deal to God in Bible Numbers 31:35. I'm not the one who wrote that verse.
So tell us, how did the soldiers in the field confirmed woman has not known a man intimately (Numbers 31:35)?
It is not about me or you here. So your questions (a) and (b) are irrelevant.
Blow me down! I will file this for future use upon your daughters if it becomes necessary (I dearly sincerely, pray, hope, desire it won't come to that). This can of worms you just opened is nasty. The things you say! Do you honestly engage your brain before you 'open your mouth'? So now you ask how? Do you not feel awkward in giving an answer first then asking the question later? But its no big deal for you. You are Alphdoti, afterall. I will answer you because I am not 'Alphdoti'. You are asking for a BJ from Alphadoti? Alphdoti cannot give me what I require. Hello Brother.
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Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote: No, virginity is not a big deal to me. But it was a big deal to God in Bible Numbers 31:35. I'm not the one who wrote that verse.
So tell us, how did the soldiers in the field confirmed woman has not known a man intimately (Numbers 31:35)?
It is not about me or you here. So your questions (a) and (b) are irrelevant.
1. Did God instruct or permit the soldiers to rape the women, and 2. Did the soldiers actually rape them? It's clear that God didn't intend for the soldiers to rape the women, but rather to take them captive. 1. The law God had given to the Israelites condemned rape, in some cases punishing it with death (Deut 22:25-27). 2. Also, immediately following the command to spare the virgin women, the soldiers were instructed to purify themselves and their captives (31:19), and rape (or consensual intercourse) would have violated this command (Lev 15:16-18). 3. The women are usually referred to as people (using the masculine adam), not women or virgins, underscoring the notion that they were seen as captives rather than sexual objects. (Unlike Muslims and the sexual jihad stuff, or the virgins of the afterlife). It's theoretically possible that some of the soldiers raped some of the women, but given the circumstances it seems very unlikely. Not practically possible. 1. The soldiers would have known that rape was a violation of both the law and the instruction to purify themselves, as shown above; 2. they had also seen God punish such violations with death during their travels in the desert. For example, they experienced a plague and executions resulting from their relations with Midianite women (25:1-9), as Moses reminded them. At that time, all those who had sexual relations with the Midianites were killed. It's highly implausible that the soldiers would have wanted to have anything to do with the women given this context. So what did happen to the women (and children)? 1. God gave the Israelites permission to marry women they took captive, but they were to treat their wives with respect. 2. the women were to have time to mourn their families first, and were not to be mistreated (Dt 21:10-14). 3. Those who didn't marry would have become servants, but there were rules against mistreating them as well (Ex 21:26-27, Dt 23:15-16). No indication is given how they were determined to be virgins but all indications are given that they were nonetheless treated with respect, dignity, and consideration, aspects of humanity foreign and unknown to Muslim men on their treatement of muslim women. Muslim men who only think of rape, sex, virgins as did Mohammed.How they were treated rules out possibility of violation. Simple. Comprende? I hope your brain can process all this information I have presented to it. So easy it is to answer Alphdoti. If only it were easy for him to answer me when I bring questions about the Qur'an. Your whole reply tried to answer whether God instructed soldiers to rape, but you did not answer the question: how did the soldiers determined virginity? The other question whether God instructed the soldiers to kill little children? Bible Numbers 31:15-17: Kill all boys: " Now therefore kill every male among the little ones." Kill all little girls: " And kill every woman who has known a man intimately, kill." Keep young women only: " But keep alive for yourselves all the young girls who have not known a man intimately." At least you should have tried to read that part. Like I feared, your brain is or was not capable of 'complex' processing. Sad. Lamentable. To someone who has just confessed that virginity is no big deal to you the interest you show in it is exceptional. Your mind just revolves around it. You dream of it, think of it and is all you want to talk about. Just like Mohammed. Now you want to move to other issues without exhausting the initial ones. Have you understood yet that Allah ransomed a certain boy with a great sacrifice? Muriel wrote:No indication is given how they were determined to be virgins but all indications are given that they were nonetheless treated with respect, dignity, and consideration, aspects of humanity foreign and unknown to Muslim men on their treatement of muslim women. Muslim men who only think of rape, sex, virgins as did Mohammed. @muriel, so the murdering of girls who have known a man intimately is "treatment" with respect of the abducted virgin girls, eh? It is 'respectful treatment" indeed for the abducted girls after murder of their young sibling brothers and sisters together with their parents. Are you for real? How is killing somebody's young boys and girls and those who have known a man intimately "dignity, and consideration, aspects of humanity"? You do that to somebody then you abduct them and call it "dignified"?
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Muriel wrote:Swenani wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote: No, virginity is not a big deal to me. But it was a big deal to God in Bible Numbers 31:35. I'm not the one who wrote that verse.
So tell us, how did the soldiers in the field confirmed woman has not known a man intimately (Numbers 31:35)?
It is not about me or you here. So your questions (a) and (b) are irrelevant.
Blow me down! I will file this for future use upon your daughters if it becomes necessary (I dearly sincerely, pray, hope, desire it won't come to that). This can of worms you just opened is nasty. The things you say! Do you honestly engage your brain before you 'open your mouth'? So now you ask how? Do you not feel awkward in giving an answer first then asking the question later? But its no big deal for you. You are Alphdoti, afterall. I will answer you because I am not 'Alphdoti'. You are asking for a BJ from Alphadoti? Alphdoti cannot give me what I require. Hello Brother. Hello. Why do you require anything from @AlphDoti?
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AlphDoti wrote: @muriel, so the murdering of girls who have known a man intimately is "treatment" with respect of the abducted virgin girls, eh?
It is 'respectful treatment" indeed for the abducted girls after murder of their young sibling brothers and sisters together with their parents.
Are you for real? How is killing somebody's young boys and girls and those who have known a man intimately "dignity, and consideration, aspects of humanity"? You do that to somebody then you abduct them and call it "dignified"?
Alphdoti! You are a funny guy, you know that? You are so full of fallacies you are the poster boy for madness. What you are saying is the fallacy of Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Read briefly about it hereAti because the ones alive were treated well therefore the dead ones were also treated in like manner! And you proceed to formulate hypotheses over it!
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tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:Swenani wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote: No, virginity is not a big deal to me. But it was a big deal to God in Bible Numbers 31:35. I'm not the one who wrote that verse.
So tell us, how did the soldiers in the field confirmed woman has not known a man intimately (Numbers 31:35)?
It is not about me or you here. So your questions (a) and (b) are irrelevant.
Blow me down! I will file this for future use upon your daughters if it becomes necessary (I dearly sincerely, pray, hope, desire it won't come to that). This can of worms you just opened is nasty. The things you say! Do you honestly engage your brain before you 'open your mouth'? So now you ask how? Do you not feel awkward in giving an answer first then asking the question later? But its no big deal for you. You are Alphdoti, afterall. I will answer you because I am not 'Alphdoti'. You are asking for a BJ from Alphadoti? Alphdoti cannot give me what I require. Hello Brother. Hello. Why do you require anything from @AlphDoti? Hello brother. Come to think of it I don't. Whether or not he talks about it will not change anything for me. Or what I already know. I did not intend it to benefit myself by talking with him.
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