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limanika wrote:simonkabz wrote:JUDGE OZAKI: ' Do you know of any jurisprudence that support your request for the indefinite adjournment of the case? '
ICC Prosecutor: ' Their is no case law or statute that i know of which support my request madam president '
^^^^This to me was a give away....a poignant indicator of what the judges have in mind!
an indirect admission by both judges and otp that they would like the case to end. Could also be a discreet way of sending message to paymasters the direction the case is taking, so any necessary calls 4rom majuu can be made b4 ICC errs in final decision . @Limanika, Oh yeah yes!! Whats on the cards, the promises made to cousin? Whats more to extract like right now??
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Kratos wrote:Media reporting on the case so far by CNN, BBC and Al Jazeera)
1. Regarding the dropped witnesses most reporting is focused on those who allegedly have been bribed or intimidated. I have so far heard only one mention of those who have been dropped because they said they had been coached or promised monetary rewards.
2. All these media houses are concentrating on the prosecutors report that Mr Kenyatta has used his influence as President to withhold "crucial"evidence. None of these three media houses are interrogating the fact that a) Mr Kenyatta was not president during the collection of evidence and confirmation of charges stage b)it is awkward that a case has been confirmed yet without sufficient evidence c) It is never the responsibility of the accused to incriminate himself by providing evidence against self.
3. Justice for the victims: None of these media houses are concerned on whether it could be possible that Mr Kenyatta is actually innocent and thus needs a fair trial. Justice for victims does not mean prosecuting a possibly innocent person just for the sake.
He who pays the piper calls the tune.
Indeed "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rahatupu wrote:limanika wrote:simonkabz wrote:JUDGE OZAKI: ' Do you know of any jurisprudence that support your request for the indefinite adjournment of the case? '
ICC Prosecutor: ' Their is no case law or statute that i know of which support my request madam president '
^^^^This to me was a give away....a poignant indicator of what the judges have in mind!
an indirect admission by both judges and otp that they would like the case to end. Could also be a discreet way of sending message to paymasters the direction the case is taking, so any necessary calls 4rom majuu can be made b4 ICC errs in final decision . @Limanika, Oh yeah yes!! Whats on the cards, the promises made to cousin? Whats more to extract like right now?? By majuu here we mean the EU, they fund ICC by over 70%, Africa's contribution almost 0%...and kasin's word can't carry much weight here coz Uncle Sam treats ICc with contempt and doesn't contribute any funds. Things are still thick, kamwana should have called Brussels not Washington
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2008 Posts: 3,966
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limanika wrote:Rahatupu wrote:limanika wrote:simonkabz wrote:JUDGE OZAKI: ' Do you know of any jurisprudence that support your request for the indefinite adjournment of the case? '
ICC Prosecutor: ' Their is no case law or statute that i know of which support my request madam president '
^^^^This to me was a give away....a poignant indicator of what the judges have in mind!
an indirect admission by both judges and otp that they would like the case to end. Could also be a discreet way of sending message to paymasters the direction the case is taking, so any necessary calls 4rom majuu can be made b4 ICC errs in final decision . @Limanika, Oh yeah yes!! Whats on the cards, the promises made to cousin? Whats more to extract like right now?? By majuu here we mean the EU, they fund ICC by over 70%, Africa's contribution almost 0%...and kasin's word can't carry much weight here coz Uncle Sam treats ICc with contempt and doesn't contribute any funds. Things are still thick, kamwana should have called Brussels not Washington What do you mean things are thick? At the end it boils down to evidence. Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2008 Posts: 3,966
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Shak wrote:I laughed when the lawyer for the victims suggested that the prosecution withdraws this case and looks for an easier one to prosecute! He was saying that the prosecution may withdraw the case and look for an easier one to prosecute but that would be an injustice to the victims. Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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Jus Blazin wrote:limanika wrote:Rahatupu wrote:limanika wrote:simonkabz wrote:JUDGE OZAKI: ' Do you know of any jurisprudence that support your request for the indefinite adjournment of the case? '
ICC Prosecutor: ' Their is no case law or statute that i know of which support my request madam president '
^^^^This to me was a give away....a poignant indicator of what the judges have in mind!
an indirect admission by both judges and otp that they would like the case to end. Could also be a discreet way of sending message to paymasters the direction the case is taking, so any necessary calls 4rom majuu can be made b4 ICC errs in final decision . @Limanika, Oh yeah yes!! Whats on the cards, the promises made to cousin? Whats more to extract like right now?? By majuu here we mean the EU, they fund ICC by over 70%, Africa's contribution almost 0%...and kasin's word can't carry much weight here coz Uncle Sam treats ICc with contempt and doesn't contribute any funds. Things are still thick, kamwana should have called Brussels not Washington What do you mean things are thick? At the end it boils down to evidence. Even the average man in Siberia knows this case should have ended eons coz there is no evidence. The reason why things are still thick…is not because there will be conviction at the end, but that someone seated huko majuu in rocking chair may just throw a dice to help decide if the matter should be made to drag for years.. Coz this we have come to know - it doesn’t always boil down to evidence at ICC….and reality is that current and immediate past GoK is not in good books with EU
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Euge wrote:McReggae wrote:Toxicity wrote:I think they are out to fry Kamwana! Nope, in my opinion they are going to defer the case until such a time that the garment can co-operate......welcome to Walker's life presidency!!!! Mc Doba your 411 ni kali!!!!!!!!!!! It had always been pointing in that direction! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,568
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Prior jurisprudence means little particularly because this is a "precedent setting" case in international law(first sitting president in an international court), secondly the court obviously feels it needs to set a precedent (and massage their egos as well as fart on their powerful seats), particularly because technology is heavily involved. Feel like placing a wager on:- trial via VIDEO CONFERENCING Ras Kienyeji Man
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2008 Posts: 3,966
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limanika wrote:Jus Blazin wrote:limanika wrote:Rahatupu wrote:limanika wrote:simonkabz wrote:JUDGE OZAKI: ' Do you know of any jurisprudence that support your request for the indefinite adjournment of the case? '
ICC Prosecutor: ' Their is no case law or statute that i know of which support my request madam president '
^^^^This to me was a give away....a poignant indicator of what the judges have in mind!
an indirect admission by both judges and otp that they would like the case to end. Could also be a discreet way of sending message to paymasters the direction the case is taking, so any necessary calls 4rom majuu can be made b4 ICC errs in final decision . @Limanika, Oh yeah yes!! Whats on the cards, the promises made to cousin? Whats more to extract like right now?? By majuu here we mean the EU, they fund ICC by over 70%, Africa's contribution almost 0%...and kasin's word can't carry much weight here coz Uncle Sam treats ICc with contempt and doesn't contribute any funds. Things are still thick, kamwana should have called Brussels not Washington What do you mean things are thick? At the end it boils down to evidence. Even the average man in Siberia knows this case should have ended eons coz there is no evidence. The reason why things are still thick…is not because there will be conviction at the end, but that someone seated huko majuu in rocking chair may just throw a dice to help decide if the matter should be made to drag for years.. Coz this we have come to know - it doesn’t always boil down to evidence at ICC….and reality is that current and immediate past GoK is not in good books with EU I think you are reading too much into this. If at the end there'll be no conviction, then things are not as thick as you imply. You do know this is about saving face, not being in good books. Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2008 Posts: 3,966
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Much Know wrote:Prior jurisprudence means little particularly because this is a "precedent setting" case in international law(first sitting president in an international court), secondly the court obviously feels it needs to set a precedent (and massage their egos as well as fart on their powerful seats), particularly because technology is heavily involved.
Feel like placing a wager on:- trial via VIDEO CONFERENCING Adjourn indefinitely. Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/19/2010 Posts: 1,308 Location: nairobi metropolitan
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It would be in the best interest of jubilee for the case to be deferred.... Just thinking aloud..... Democracy does not belong to the dead
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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There was an irritant on Al Jazeera blubbering about the case. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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Jus Blazin wrote:Shak wrote:I laughed when the lawyer for the victims suggested that the prosecution withdraws this case and looks for an easier one to prosecute! He was saying that the prosecution may withdraw the case and look for an easier one to prosecute but that would be an injustice to the victims. Sang & Baraza? Kweli wanyonge hawana bahati. i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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McReggae wrote:Euge wrote:McReggae wrote:Toxicity wrote:I think they are out to fry Kamwana! Nope, in my opinion they are going to defer the case until such a time that the garment can co-operate......welcome to Walker's life presidency!!!! Mc Doba your 411 ni kali!!!!!!!!!!! It had always been pointing in that direction! More like a revolving presidency! githundi wrote:It would be in the best interest of jubilee for the case to be deferred....
Just thinking aloud.....  Even babu has realized this case need to go else hana bahati. i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Watching Al Jazeera you would imagine Kamwana mercilessly butchered 1200 people. The skewed reporting jamaneni. The sooner this case is thrown out the better for a vast majority of the PEV victims. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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Ngai! Our leaders wild behaviour outside the courts....  So PRZ returns a day later and the wild delegation's shortlived honeymoon on hague streets come to an end. I think they made too much noise,the residents complained and the judge had no option but to send everyone back home.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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We should also learn to play hardball with these EU otherwise TP will be treated better. They recently refused to listen to our horticulture famers, as a result, our horticulture products will be most expensive from all of Africa. Methinks the decline in our economy due to travel advisories, negative publicity at ICC, increased taxation of exports, etc will mean we might be unable to maintain Amisom as well as support of peace efforts in the region. Meaning. EU and the west will loose in the end. Who will tell them this??
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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Jus Blazin wrote:Shak wrote:I laughed when the lawyer for the victims suggested that the prosecution withdraws this case and looks for an easier one to prosecute! He was saying that the prosecution may withdraw the case and look for an easier one to prosecute but that would be an injustice to the victims. From their personal level,the court including victims representative would want the cases to take the longest time possible. If you fell the tree whose leaves you sweep daily for your bread,utafanya nini?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2008 Posts: 4,449
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with all said and done, why did the ICC judges demand the physical presence of President Kenyatta today at the Hague??..
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