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ICC HE Uhuru Kenyatta PORK - 12th November
harrydre
#641 Posted : Wednesday, October 08, 2014 2:56:58 PM
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I lost the live feed...what's the updates now?
i.am.back!!!!
kollabo
#642 Posted : Wednesday, October 08, 2014 2:59:40 PM
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McReggae wrote:
Toxicity wrote:
I think they are out to fry Kamwana!


Nope, in my opinion they are going to defer the case until such a time that the garment can co-operate......welcome to Walker's life presidency!!!!


Githu - "Cooperation will mean breaking the law"
Nandwa
#643 Posted : Wednesday, October 08, 2014 3:01:04 PM
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McReggae wrote:
Toxicity wrote:
I think they are out to fry Kamwana!


Nope, in my opinion they are going to defer the case until such a time that the garment can co-operate......welcome to Walker's life presidency!!!!


A no brainer really
Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
simonkabz
#644 Posted : Wednesday, October 08, 2014 3:04:07 PM
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Exactly!
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
Shak
#645 Posted : Wednesday, October 08, 2014 3:07:19 PM
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kollabo wrote:
McReggae wrote:
Toxicity wrote:
I think they are out to fry Kamwana!


Nope, in my opinion they are going to defer the case until such a time that the garment can co-operate......welcome to Walker's life presidency!!!!


Githu - "Cooperation will mean breaking the law"

Yup. Adjourned until they erase the line they drew in the sand
Tebes
#646 Posted : Wednesday, October 08, 2014 3:09:50 PM
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Benshutta is looking for scapegoats. If she has witnesses who can testify why not bring them on? Between 2008 and February 2013 (Before Uhunye became PORK) they couldn't have any of the records she is scratching the ground for???

As an accused one cannot self incriminate/prosecute himself. Let her give up.
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limanika
#647 Posted : Wednesday, October 08, 2014 3:14:14 PM
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So why can't OTP give the phone numbers and reference numbers of lands sold to AG so he can do search as requested? Plus is it fair to keep case indefinately if government has refused to cooperate? Let them report GoK to ASP then, or GoK will report them!
thuks
#648 Posted : Wednesday, October 08, 2014 3:19:21 PM
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limanika wrote:
So why can't OTP give the phone numbers and reference numbers of lands sold to AG so he can do search as requested? Plus is it fair to keep case indefinately if government has refused to cooperate? Let them GoK eport to ASP then, or GoK will report them!


This thing will keep cycling till 2017 oct or a certain hope dies. Then it can be thrown out coz it will have expired. My two cents
I care!
callaspade
#649 Posted : Wednesday, October 08, 2014 3:25:44 PM
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....prosecution; there was a spike in phone usage during the month of december 2007 and january 2008...of COURSE WE WERE IN THE ELECTIONEERING PERIOD plus our peculiar habits are that we call each other more during this period,during the pev,people called each other even more.
.....Prosecution; they did not give us the bank records......in December most Kenyans have higher expenditures than normal....elections,parties,school fees in jan....etc.
.....prosecution; land records were not given....for which particular one that interests the case?

....prosecution; we did not get details of the cars he uses.....which one do you want?
.....judges; do you have evidence that the accused has obstructed justice which we can rely on? ...no your honor but because he the accused is bla bla bla.....
......Judges;why cant you withdraw until you have such evidence since this is on the chambers budget to have a def feral? or is it on the prosecutors budget?
prosecutor;...bla bla bla...until next elections


.....case will be thrown out...both the victim and accused have rights..... you can draw this on sand
washiku
#650 Posted : Wednesday, October 08, 2014 3:26:35 PM
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Shak
#651 Posted : Wednesday, October 08, 2014 3:34:55 PM
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washiku wrote:
Eeeh, why exactly was Uhuru needed there?

I don't know but every time someone tries to bring him down he always emerges stronger
TAZ
#652 Posted : Wednesday, October 08, 2014 3:40:15 PM
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McReggae wrote:
Toxicity wrote:
I think they are out to fry Kamwana!


Nope, in my opinion they are going to defer the case until such a time that the garment can co-operate......welcome to Walker's life presidency!!!!


Judges were particularly keen to establish how long such an adjournment will be and what will change at the end of that period.

Judges Robert Fremr “why can’t the prosecution bring charges at later date if the case is dropped at present?”

Benjamin Gumpert “We know that there is evidence in existence. Not sure what that evidence will show.d'oh! d'oh! It may exonerate.”
washiku
#653 Posted : Wednesday, October 08, 2014 3:42:45 PM
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TAZ wrote:
McReggae wrote:
Toxicity wrote:
I think they are out to fry Kamwana!


Nope, in my opinion they are going to defer the case until such a time that the garment can co-operate......welcome to Walker's life presidency!!!!


Judges were particularly keen to establish how long such an adjournment will be and what will change at the end of that period.

Judges Robert Fremr “why can’t the prosecution bring charges at later date if the case is dropped at present?”

Benjamin Gumpert “We know that there is evidence in existence. Not sure what that evidence will show.d'oh! d'oh! It may exonerate.”


But why postpone until the next election in Kenya? Why upto the election time? What is the connection?
Shak
#654 Posted : Wednesday, October 08, 2014 3:43:28 PM
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I laughed when the lawyer for the victims suggested that the prosecution withdraws this case and looks for an easier one to prosecute!
poundfoolish
#655 Posted : Wednesday, October 08, 2014 3:47:38 PM
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Said it before here.. will repeat it again.

This case will stay here till the west squeezes all it can from Kenya and by extent Africa.
Nothing more!
MKWASI
#656 Posted : Wednesday, October 08, 2014 3:47:58 PM
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Wazuans kindly post the link of yesterday's and today's ICC session...
simonkabz
#657 Posted : Wednesday, October 08, 2014 3:49:28 PM
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JUDGE OZAKI: ' Do you know of any jurisprudence that support your request for the indefinite adjournment of the case? '

ICC Prosecutor: ' Their is no case law or statute that i know of which support my request madam president '

^^^^This to me was a give away....a poignant indicator of what the judges have in mind!
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
Rahatupu
#658 Posted : Wednesday, October 08, 2014 4:42:16 PM
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simonkabz wrote:
JUDGE OZAKI: ' Do you know of any jurisprudence that support your request for the indefinite adjournment of the case? '

ICC Prosecutor: ' Their is no case law or statute that i know of which support my request madam president '

^^^^This to me was a give away....a poignant indicator of what the judges have in mind!
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@Simo, its clear there is no jurisdiction that could allow a case to proceed when and where the prosecution says it does not have evidence. The judges are prosecution are on same side.

I love the bit where the counsel for defense says they'll not provide more telephone numbers.
Kratos
#659 Posted : Wednesday, October 08, 2014 5:08:49 PM
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Media reporting on the case so far by CNN, BBC and Al Jazeera)

1. Regarding the dropped witnesses most reporting is focused on those who allegedly have been bribed or intimidated. I have so far heard only one mention of those who have been dropped because they said they had been coached or promised monetary rewards.

2. All these media houses are concentrating on the prosecutors report that Mr Kenyatta has used his influence as President to withhold "crucial"evidence. None of these three media houses are interrogating the fact that a) Mr Kenyatta was not president during the collection of evidence and confirmation of charges stage b)it is awkward that a case has been confirmed yet without sufficient evidence c) It is never the responsibility of the accused to incriminate himself by providing evidence against self.

3. Justice for the victims: None of these media houses are concerned on whether it could be possible that Mr Kenyatta is actually innocent and thus needs a fair trial. Justice for victims does not mean prosecuting a possibly innocent person just for the sake.


He who pays the piper calls the tune.



“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
limanika
#660 Posted : Wednesday, October 08, 2014 5:14:41 PM
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simonkabz wrote:
JUDGE OZAKI: ' Do you know of any jurisprudence that support your request for the indefinite adjournment of the case? '

ICC Prosecutor: ' Their is no case law or statute that i know of which support my request madam president '

^^^^This to me was a give away....a poignant indicator of what the judges have in mind!
an indirect admission by both judges and otp that they would like the case to end. Could also be a discreet way of sending message to paymasters the direction the case is taking, so any necessary calls 4rom majuu can be made b4 ICC errs in final decision
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