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AlphDoti
#1061 Posted : Monday, October 06, 2014 7:30:19 PM
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Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Is there any knowledgeable Christian or Jew who can explain to us why the first King of the Jews Saul lost his throne to David?? smile

Inapplicable question. 'Jew' isn't a religion or a mythology that's comparable to 'Christian' or 'Muslim'. And if we were to compare mythologies then we'd all have to share an identity and allow many correct answers. Something very distant from the tenor of your query.

a+b = a+b.

@tycho, there is always ONE CORRECT answer. Whether you're in primary, secondary, college or university. For example:
A. 1+1+1 = 3 (correct)
B. 1+1+1 = 1 (wrong)
C. a+b = a+b (correct)
D. a+b = b+a (correct)
E. 2+2 = 4 (correct)
F. 2+2 = 1 (wrong)

Unfortunately, @AlphDoti, numbers aren't always on a decimal system, and there isn't only one kind of algebra. So your argument is false.

@tycho, which part of my argument is false?


Let's take your example. When you say 1+1= 2 is right and 1+1= 3 is wrong, whether in primary or university, you are omitting the fact that 'primary' and 'university' are subscribing to a common and specific algebraic system. So the assertion that there is always one correct answer to ALL kinds of algebra and number systems can't be true.

But there can be one true answer for a specified algebra and number system.

Different religions are different algebraic systems. They may share even source material, but the question as to which system is 'truer' than the other can't apply.

Can one comprehesively describe the universe? The question of extraterrestrial intelligence, for example, can only be answered in mythical terms. The same way the 'truth of the universe'. It can't be stated comprehensively. We can only agree to treat our Scriptures with reverence and write others jointly, knowing in our hearts that the ultimate truth can't be uttered.

So we agree that regarding algebra and number system, there is only one truth.

Regarding religion, I can tell you that there can only be one true religion. All religions cannot be true.

For example:
Religion 1 says: a and b and c
Religion 2 says: a and d and e
Religion 3 says: a and f and n

If a = TRUE, b = TRUE, c = TRUE and d = TRUE
If e = FALSE, f = FALSE and n = FALSE

Then:
Religion 1 says: TRUE and TRUE and TRUE = TRUE
Religion 2 says: TRUE and TRUE and FALSE = FALSE
Religion 3 says: TRUE and FALSE and FALSE = FALSE
tycho
#1062 Posted : Monday, October 06, 2014 8:20:01 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Is there any knowledgeable Christian or Jew who can explain to us why the first King of the Jews Saul lost his throne to David?? smile

Inapplicable question. 'Jew' isn't a religion or a mythology that's comparable to 'Christian' or 'Muslim'. And if we were to compare mythologies then we'd all have to share an identity and allow many correct answers. Something very distant from the tenor of your query.

a+b = a+b.

@tycho, there is always ONE CORRECT answer. Whether you're in primary, secondary, college or university. For example:
A. 1+1+1 = 3 (correct)
B. 1+1+1 = 1 (wrong)
C. a+b = a+b (correct)
D. a+b = b+a (correct)
E. 2+2 = 4 (correct)
F. 2+2 = 1 (wrong)

Unfortunately, @AlphDoti, numbers aren't always on a decimal system, and there isn't only one kind of algebra. So your argument is false.

@tycho, which part of my argument is false?


Let's take your example. When you say 1+1= 2 is right and 1+1= 3 is wrong, whether in primary or university, you are omitting the fact that 'primary' and 'university' are subscribing to a common and specific algebraic system. So the assertion that there is always one correct answer to ALL kinds of algebra and number systems can't be true.

But there can be one true answer for a specified algebra and number system.

Different religions are different algebraic systems. They may share even source material, but the question as to which system is 'truer' than the other can't apply.

Can one comprehesively describe the universe? The question of extraterrestrial intelligence, for example, can only be answered in mythical terms. The same way the 'truth of the universe'. It can't be stated comprehensively. We can only agree to treat our Scriptures with reverence and write others jointly, knowing in our hearts that the ultimate truth can't be uttered.

So we agree that regarding algebra and number system, there is only one truth.

Regarding religion, I can tell you that there can only be one true religion. All religions cannot be true.

For example:
Religion 1 says: a and b and c
Religion 2 says: a and d and e
Religion 3 says: a and f and n

If a = TRUE, b = TRUE, c = TRUE and d = TRUE
If e = FALSE, f = FALSE and n = FALSE

Then:
Religion 1 says: TRUE and TRUE and TRUE = TRUE
Religion 2 says: TRUE and TRUE and FALSE = FALSE
Religion 3 says: TRUE and FALSE and FALSE = FALSE


AlphDoti, it is the case that; ANY instance of an algebraic system has at least a true answer. But any two distinguishable systems can't be expected to have a common answer by necessity.

Or any religion is necessarily true in itself as long as it accords to personal experience. But personal and even cultural experiences differ.
guru267
#1063 Posted : Monday, October 06, 2014 8:25:25 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 1/21/2010
Posts: 6,675
Location: Nairobi
Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Is there any knowledgeable Christian or Jew who can explain to us why the first King of the Jews Saul lost his throne to David?? smile

An admission of ignorance?d'oh! Didn't know you were this humble, to ask for help.Applause

Not to worry, when the student(you) is ready, the teacher appearssmile


So instead of a lot of blah blah blah.... do you have a concrete answer?

Do you?


Laughing out loudly I love you Christians and how you hide from anything inconvenient! None of you has any guts!

King Saul was commanded by Yahweh to Slaughter a whole town after taking it over and when he didn't Yahweh took his throne!

How hard was that!?

Must be hard for many of you to swallow... I totally understand because that level of violence is nowhere in the Quran!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
symbols
#1064 Posted : Monday, October 06, 2014 8:30:08 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 3/19/2013
Posts: 2,552
tycho
#1065 Posted : Monday, October 06, 2014 10:44:40 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
guru267 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Is there any knowledgeable Christian or Jew who can explain to us why the first King of the Jews Saul lost his throne to David?? smile

An admission of ignorance?d'oh! Didn't know you were this humble, to ask for help.Applause

Not to worry, when the student(you) is ready, the teacher appearssmile


So instead of a lot of blah blah blah.... do you have a concrete answer?

Do you?


Laughing out loudly I love you Christians and how you hide from anything inconvenient! None of you has any guts!

King Saul was commanded by Yahweh to Slaughter a whole town after taking it over and when he didn't Yahweh took his throne!

How hard was that!?

Must be hard for many of you to swallow... I totally understand because that level of violence is nowhere in the Quran!


1 Samuel 15. If I look at the chapter I see another reason that's different from the one given here.

God dethroned Saul because the latter couldn't be trusted to follow God's will, and instead was more amenable to popular influence and would thus undermine God's covenant with the children of Israel.
guru267
#1066 Posted : Tuesday, October 07, 2014 6:27:15 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 1/21/2010
Posts: 6,675
Location: Nairobi
tycho wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Is there any knowledgeable Christian or Jew who can explain to us why the first King of the Jews Saul lost his throne to David?? smile

An admission of ignorance?d'oh! Didn't know you were this humble, to ask for help.Applause

Not to worry, when the student(you) is ready, the teacher appearssmile


So instead of a lot of blah blah blah.... do you have a concrete answer?

Do you?


Laughing out loudly I love you Christians and how you hide from anything inconvenient! None of you has any guts!

King Saul was commanded by Yahweh to Slaughter a whole town after taking it over and when he didn't Yahweh took his throne!

How hard was that!?

Must be hard for many of you to swallow... I totally understand because that level of violence is nowhere in the Quran!


1 Samuel 15. If I look at the chapter I see another reason that's different from the one given here.

God dethroned Saul because the latter couldn't be trusted to follow God's will, and instead was more amenable to popular influence and would thus undermine God's covenant with the children of Israel.


@tycho we were not born yesterday so stop manipulating the truth!

Samuel told Saul that it was Yahweh's will that he must slaughter everything that breathes after taking over the town... When Saul didn't slaughter everything that breathes he was dethroned! its that simple..

Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
tycho
#1067 Posted : Tuesday, October 07, 2014 9:04:33 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
guru267 wrote:
tycho wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Is there any knowledgeable Christian or Jew who can explain to us why the first King of the Jews Saul lost his throne to David?? smile

An admission of ignorance?d'oh! Didn't know you were this humble, to ask for help.Applause

Not to worry, when the student(you) is ready, the teacher appearssmile


So instead of a lot of blah blah blah.... do you have a concrete answer?

Do you?


Laughing out loudly I love you Christians and how you hide from anything inconvenient! None of you has any guts!

King Saul was commanded by Yahweh to Slaughter a whole town after taking it over and when he didn't Yahweh took his throne!

How hard was that!?

Must be hard for many of you to swallow... I totally understand because that level of violence is nowhere in the Quran!


1 Samuel 15. If I look at the chapter I see another reason that's different from the one given here.

God dethroned Saul because the latter couldn't be trusted to follow God's will, and instead was more amenable to popular influence and would thus undermine God's covenant with the children of Israel.


@tycho we were not born yesterday so stop manipulating the truth!

Samuel told Saul that it was Yahweh's will that he must slaughter everything that breathes after taking over the town... When Saul didn't slaughter everything that breathes he was dethroned! its that simple..



No. It's not that simple.

Everyone, even God, manipulates truth to validate personal experience.
AlphDoti
#1068 Posted : Tuesday, October 07, 2014 9:58:47 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Is there any knowledgeable Christian or Jew who can explain to us why the first King of the Jews Saul lost his throne to David?? smile

Inapplicable question. 'Jew' isn't a religion or a mythology that's comparable to 'Christian' or 'Muslim'. And if we were to compare mythologies then we'd all have to share an identity and allow many correct answers. Something very distant from the tenor of your query.

a+b = a+b.

@tycho, there is always ONE CORRECT answer. Whether you're in primary, secondary, college or university. For example:
A. 1+1+1 = 3 (correct)
B. 1+1+1 = 1 (wrong)
C. a+b = a+b (correct)
D. a+b = b+a (correct)
E. 2+2 = 4 (correct)
F. 2+2 = 1 (wrong)

Unfortunately, @AlphDoti, numbers aren't always on a decimal system, and there isn't only one kind of algebra. So your argument is false.

@tycho, which part of my argument is false?


Let's take your example. When you say 1+1= 2 is right and 1+1= 3 is wrong, whether in primary or university, you are omitting the fact that 'primary' and 'university' are subscribing to a common and specific algebraic system. So the assertion that there is always one correct answer to ALL kinds of algebra and number systems can't be true.

But there can be one true answer for a specified algebra and number system.

Different religions are different algebraic systems. They may share even source material, but the question as to which system is 'truer' than the other can't apply.

Can one comprehesively describe the universe? The question of extraterrestrial intelligence, for example, can only be answered in mythical terms. The same way the 'truth of the universe'. It can't be stated comprehensively. We can only agree to treat our Scriptures with reverence and write others jointly, knowing in our hearts that the ultimate truth can't be uttered.

So we agree that regarding algebra and number system, there is only one truth.

Regarding religion, I can tell you that there can only be one true religion. All religions cannot be true.

For example:
Religion 1 says: a and b and c
Religion 2 says: a and d and e
Religion 3 says: a and f and n

If a = TRUE, b = TRUE, c = TRUE and d = TRUE
If e = FALSE, f = FALSE and n = FALSE

Then:
Religion 1 says: TRUE and TRUE and TRUE = TRUE
Religion 2 says: TRUE and TRUE and FALSE = FALSE
Religion 3 says: TRUE and FALSE and FALSE = FALSE

AlphDoti, it is the case that; ANY instance of an algebraic system has at least a true answer. But any two distinguishable systems can't be expected to have a common answer by necessity.

Or any religion is necessarily true in itself as long as it accords to personal experience. But personal and even cultural experiences differ.

@tycho, remove "personal experience" from the equation and take the BASIC ARTICLES of anything, you'll find that everything is either TRUTH or FALSE. Nothing is both truth and false, because TRUTH + FALSE = FALSE. For example: due to "personal experience", people say 1+1+1 = 1 and not 3. You see "personal experience" leads to wrong answer.

Similarly if x contradicts y, then anybody who says x = y is wrong. But according to his "personal experience" he might be misled and now believes that is truth yet x<>y.
AlphDoti
#1069 Posted : Tuesday, October 07, 2014 10:27:26 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
tycho wrote:
guru267 wrote:
tycho wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Is there any knowledgeable Christian or Jew who can explain to us why the first King of the Jews Saul lost his throne to David?? smile

An admission of ignorance?d'oh! Didn't know you were this humble, to ask for help.Applause

Not to worry, when the student(you) is ready, the teacher appearssmile

So instead of a lot of blah blah blah.... do you have a concrete answer?

Do you?

Laughing out loudly I love you Christians and how you hide from anything inconvenient! None of you has any guts!

King Saul was commanded by Yahweh to Slaughter a whole town after taking it over and when he didn't Yahweh took his throne!

How hard was that!?

Must be hard for many of you to swallow... I totally understand because that level of violence is nowhere in the Quran!

1 Samuel 15. If I look at the chapter I see another reason that's different from the one given here.

God dethroned Saul because the latter couldn't be trusted to follow God's will, and instead was more amenable to popular influence and would thus undermine God's covenant with the children of Israel.

@tycho we were not born yesterday so stop manipulating the truth!

Samuel told Saul that it was Yahweh's will that he must slaughter everything that breathes after taking over the town... When Saul didn't slaughter everything that breathes he was dethroned! its that simple..

No. It's not that simple.

Everyone, even God, manipulates truth to validate personal experience.

@tycho, of course it not a simple matter. Now see another instruction given to kill innocent people.

Bible Numbers 31:15-17: "And Moses said to them: have you kept all the women alive? Now therefore kill every male among the little ones. (Every male child, among the little ones, kill them).
And kill every woman who has known a man intimately, kill. (if any woman has ever had sex with a man, kill them also).
But keep alive for yourselves all the young girls who have not known a man intimately. (the young, virgin girls. Not the little ones, little ones are liability, you got to feed them and bring them up, no time for that)

HOW DOES A SOLDIER IN THE FIELD VERIFY THAT A GIRL IS VIRGIN IN ORDER TO KIDNAP HER?
This is the instruction given to Jewish soldiers in the field. Now when they see a young Palestinian girl, how can you verify whether this woman has experienced sex or not? How do you verify? The soldier in the field. He does not know about the saliva test. He does not know anything about that.

THE ONLY WAY IS TO RAPE AND RAVISH THESE POOR GIRLS TO VERIFY WHETHER A MAN HAS BEEN THROUGH HER OR NOT.
And if they discover that she has been already been used, 2nd hand, chop off her head. If not, keep them.

And they saved for themselves 32,000 girls, who had not known a man intimately (Numbers 31:35) (After raping them, they saved themselves 32,000 and out of that)

AND LORD ALMIGHTY TOLD THEM TO KEEP POUND OF FLESH FOR HIM!!

Numbers 31:40 ... Of which Lord's tribute was 32 persons

I'm asking what does the Lord do with 32 raped and ravished girls?
guru267
#1070 Posted : Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:40:07 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 1/21/2010
Posts: 6,675
Location: Nairobi
tycho wrote:
guru267 wrote:
tycho wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Is there any knowledgeable Christian or Jew who can explain to us why the first King of the Jews Saul lost his throne to David?? smile

An admission of ignorance?d'oh! Didn't know you were this humble, to ask for help.Applause

Not to worry, when the student(you) is ready, the teacher appearssmile


So instead of a lot of blah blah blah.... do you have a concrete answer?

Do you?


Laughing out loudly I love you Christians and how you hide from anything inconvenient! None of you has any guts!

King Saul was commanded by Yahweh to Slaughter a whole town after taking it over and when he didn't Yahweh took his throne!

How hard was that!?

Must be hard for many of you to swallow... I totally understand because that level of violence is nowhere in the Quran!


1 Samuel 15. If I look at the chapter I see another reason that's different from the one given here.

God dethroned Saul because the latter couldn't be trusted to follow God's will, and instead was more amenable to popular influence and would thus undermine God's covenant with the children of Israel.


@tycho we were not born yesterday so stop manipulating the truth!

Samuel told Saul that it was Yahweh's will that he must slaughter everything that breathes after taking over the town... When Saul didn't slaughter everything that breathes he was dethroned! its that simple..



No. It's not that simple.

Everyone, even God, manipulates truth to validate personal experience.


Ok @tycho Whatever...

Yahweh still told Saul to slaughter a whole town and he refused and Yahweh dethroned him.. Mambo Kwisha!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
symbols
#1071 Posted : Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:54:12 AM
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Joined: 3/19/2013
Posts: 2,552
3,000 ISIS fighters reportedly cross into Iraq as Kurdish forces prepare to fight

Quote:
NATO has recently promised it will not abandon Turkey in the event of an attack by IS. “Turkey should know that NATO will be there if there is any spillover, any attacks on Turkey as a consequence of the violence we see in Syria,” the alliance's secretary-general Jens Stoltenberg told Reuters.
tycho
#1072 Posted : Tuesday, October 07, 2014 3:39:27 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Is there any knowledgeable Christian or Jew who can explain to us why the first King of the Jews Saul lost his throne to David?? smile

Inapplicable question. 'Jew' isn't a religion or a mythology that's comparable to 'Christian' or 'Muslim'. And if we were to compare mythologies then we'd all have to share an identity and allow many correct answers. Something very distant from the tenor of your query.

a+b = a+b.

@tycho, there is always ONE CORRECT answer. Whether you're in primary, secondary, college or university. For example:
A. 1+1+1 = 3 (correct)
B. 1+1+1 = 1 (wrong)
C. a+b = a+b (correct)
D. a+b = b+a (correct)
E. 2+2 = 4 (correct)
F. 2+2 = 1 (wrong)

Unfortunately, @AlphDoti, numbers aren't always on a decimal system, and there isn't only one kind of algebra. So your argument is false.

@tycho, which part of my argument is false?


Let's take your example. When you say 1+1= 2 is right and 1+1= 3 is wrong, whether in primary or university, you are omitting the fact that 'primary' and 'university' are subscribing to a common and specific algebraic system. So the assertion that there is always one correct answer to ALL kinds of algebra and number systems can't be true.

But there can be one true answer for a specified algebra and number system.

Different religions are different algebraic systems. They may share even source material, but the question as to which system is 'truer' than the other can't apply.

Can one comprehesively describe the universe? The question of extraterrestrial intelligence, for example, can only be answered in mythical terms. The same way the 'truth of the universe'. It can't be stated comprehensively. We can only agree to treat our Scriptures with reverence and write others jointly, knowing in our hearts that the ultimate truth can't be uttered.

So we agree that regarding algebra and number system, there is only one truth.

Regarding religion, I can tell you that there can only be one true religion. All religions cannot be true.

For example:
Religion 1 says: a and b and c
Religion 2 says: a and d and e
Religion 3 says: a and f and n

If a = TRUE, b = TRUE, c = TRUE and d = TRUE
If e = FALSE, f = FALSE and n = FALSE

Then:
Religion 1 says: TRUE and TRUE and TRUE = TRUE
Religion 2 says: TRUE and TRUE and FALSE = FALSE
Religion 3 says: TRUE and FALSE and FALSE = FALSE

AlphDoti, it is the case that; ANY instance of an algebraic system has at least a true answer. But any two distinguishable systems can't be expected to have a common answer by necessity.

Or any religion is necessarily true in itself as long as it accords to personal experience. But personal and even cultural experiences differ.

@tycho, remove "personal experience" from the equation and take the BASIC ARTICLES of anything, you'll find that everything is either TRUTH or FALSE. Nothing is both truth and false, because TRUTH + FALSE = FALSE. For example: due to "personal experience", people say 1+1+1 = 1 and not 3. You see "personal experience" leads to wrong answer.

Similarly if x contradicts y, then anybody who says x = y is wrong. But according to his "personal experience" he might be misled and now believes that is truth yet x<>y.


It's not possible to exclude personal experience from reason or even life. Intelligence is personal experience.

The logic basics you've mentioned belong to boolean logic. Other forms of logic like Jainist logic have different basics.
tycho
#1073 Posted : Tuesday, October 07, 2014 3:45:23 PM
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Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
guru267 wrote:
tycho wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Is there any knowledgeable Christian or Jew who can explain to us why the first King of the Jews Saul lost his throne to David?? smile

An admission of ignorance?d'oh! Didn't know you were this humble, to ask for help.Applause

Not to worry, when the student(you) is ready, the teacher appearssmile

So instead of a lot of blah blah blah.... do you have a concrete answer?

Do you?

Laughing out loudly I love you Christians and how you hide from anything inconvenient! None of you has any guts!

King Saul was commanded by Yahweh to Slaughter a whole town after taking it over and when he didn't Yahweh took his throne!

How hard was that!?

Must be hard for many of you to swallow... I totally understand because that level of violence is nowhere in the Quran!

1 Samuel 15. If I look at the chapter I see another reason that's different from the one given here.

God dethroned Saul because the latter couldn't be trusted to follow God's will, and instead was more amenable to popular influence and would thus undermine God's covenant with the children of Israel.

@tycho we were not born yesterday so stop manipulating the truth!

Samuel told Saul that it was Yahweh's will that he must slaughter everything that breathes after taking over the town... When Saul didn't slaughter everything that breathes he was dethroned! its that simple..

No. It's not that simple.

Everyone, even God, manipulates truth to validate personal experience.

@tycho, of course it not a simple matter. Now see another instruction given to kill innocent people.

Bible Numbers 31:15-17: "And Moses said to them: have you kept all the women alive? Now therefore kill every male among the little ones. (Every male child, among the little ones, kill them).
And kill every woman who has known a man intimately, kill. (if any woman has ever had sex with a man, kill them also).
But keep alive for yourselves all the young girls who have not known a man intimately. (the young, virgin girls. Not the little ones, little ones are liability, you got to feed them and bring them up, no time for that)

HOW DOES A SOLDIER IN THE FIELD VERIFY THAT A GIRL IS VIRGIN IN ORDER TO KIDNAP HER?
This is the instruction given to Jewish soldiers in the field. Now when they see a young Palestinian girl, how can you verify whether this woman has experienced sex or not? How do you verify? The soldier in the field. He does not know about the saliva test. He does not know anything about that.

THE ONLY WAY IS TO RAPE AND RAVISH THESE POOR GIRLS TO VERIFY WHETHER A MAN HAS BEEN THROUGH HER OR NOT.
And if they discover that she has been already been used, 2nd hand, chop off her head. If not, keep them.

And they saved for themselves 32,000 girls, who had not known a man intimately (Numbers 31:35) (After raping them, they saved themselves 32,000 and out of that)

AND LORD ALMIGHTY TOLD THEM TO KEEP POUND OF FLESH FOR HIM!!

Numbers 31:40 ... Of which Lord's tribute was 32 persons

I'm asking what does the Lord do with 32 raped and ravished girls?


Whatever answer one gives, it will serve personal interest.
tycho
#1074 Posted : Tuesday, October 07, 2014 3:52:12 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
guru267 wrote:
tycho wrote:
guru267 wrote:
tycho wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Is there any knowledgeable Christian or Jew who can explain to us why the first King of the Jews Saul lost his throne to David?? smile

An admission of ignorance?d'oh! Didn't know you were this humble, to ask for help.Applause

Not to worry, when the student(you) is ready, the teacher appearssmile


So instead of a lot of blah blah blah.... do you have a concrete answer?

Do you?


Laughing out loudly I love you Christians and how you hide from anything inconvenient! None of you has any guts!

King Saul was commanded by Yahweh to Slaughter a whole town after taking it over and when he didn't Yahweh took his throne!

How hard was that!?

Must be hard for many of you to swallow... I totally understand because that level of violence is nowhere in the Quran!


1 Samuel 15. If I look at the chapter I see another reason that's different from the one given here.

God dethroned Saul because the latter couldn't be trusted to follow God's will, and instead was more amenable to popular influence and would thus undermine God's covenant with the children of Israel.


@tycho we were not born yesterday so stop manipulating the truth!

Samuel told Saul that it was Yahweh's will that he must slaughter everything that breathes after taking over the town... When Saul didn't slaughter everything that breathes he was dethroned! its that simple..



No. It's not that simple.

Everyone, even God, manipulates truth to validate personal experience.


Ok @tycho Whatever...

Yahweh still told Saul to slaughter a whole town and he refused and Yahweh dethroned him.. Mambo Kwisha!


You can't prove that slaughter was the necessary and sufficient condition for dethronement, and that therefore, slaughtering is a virtue.
AlphDoti
#1075 Posted : Tuesday, October 07, 2014 3:52:27 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
guru267 wrote:
tycho wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Is there any knowledgeable Christian or Jew who can explain to us why the first King of the Jews Saul lost his throne to David?? smile

An admission of ignorance?d'oh! Didn't know you were this humble, to ask for help.Applause

Not to worry, when the student(you) is ready, the teacher appearssmile

So instead of a lot of blah blah blah.... do you have a concrete answer?

Do you?

Laughing out loudly I love you Christians and how you hide from anything inconvenient! None of you has any guts!

King Saul was commanded by Yahweh to Slaughter a whole town after taking it over and when he didn't Yahweh took his throne!

How hard was that!?

Must be hard for many of you to swallow... I totally understand because that level of violence is nowhere in the Quran!

1 Samuel 15. If I look at the chapter I see another reason that's different from the one given here.

God dethroned Saul because the latter couldn't be trusted to follow God's will, and instead was more amenable to popular influence and would thus undermine God's covenant with the children of Israel.

@tycho we were not born yesterday so stop manipulating the truth!

Samuel told Saul that it was Yahweh's will that he must slaughter everything that breathes after taking over the town... When Saul didn't slaughter everything that breathes he was dethroned! its that simple..

No. It's not that simple.

Everyone, even God, manipulates truth to validate personal experience.

@tycho, of course it not a simple matter. Now see another instruction given to kill innocent people.

Bible Numbers 31:15-17: "And Moses said to them: have you kept all the women alive? Now therefore kill every male among the little ones. (Every male child, among the little ones, kill them).
And kill every woman who has known a man intimately, kill. (if any woman has ever had sex with a man, kill them also).
But keep alive for yourselves all the young girls who have not known a man intimately. (the young, virgin girls. Not the little ones, little ones are liability, you got to feed them and bring them up, no time for that)

HOW DOES A SOLDIER IN THE FIELD VERIFY THAT A GIRL IS VIRGIN IN ORDER TO KIDNAP HER?
This is the instruction given to Jewish soldiers in the field. Now when they see a young Palestinian girl, how can you verify whether this woman has experienced sex or not? How do you verify? The soldier in the field. He does not know about the saliva test. He does not know anything about that.

THE ONLY WAY IS TO RAPE AND RAVISH THESE POOR GIRLS TO VERIFY WHETHER A MAN HAS BEEN THROUGH HER OR NOT.
And if they discover that she has been already been used, 2nd hand, chop off her head. If not, keep them.

And they saved for themselves 32,000 girls, who had not known a man intimately (Numbers 31:35) (After raping them, they saved themselves 32,000 and out of that)

AND LORD ALMIGHTY TOLD THEM TO KEEP POUND OF FLESH FOR HIM!!

Numbers 31:40 ... Of which Lord's tribute was 32 persons

I'm asking what does the Lord do with 32 raped and ravished girls?

Whatever answer one gives, it will serve personal interest.

@tycho you're always a champion of truth, this time "personal interest" has taken over. Let us go to the logic and algebra stuff, leave this to @mukiri to digest.
tycho
#1076 Posted : Tuesday, October 07, 2014 4:13:33 PM
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Joined: 7/1/2011
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AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
guru267 wrote:
tycho wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Is there any knowledgeable Christian or Jew who can explain to us why the first King of the Jews Saul lost his throne to David?? smile

An admission of ignorance?d'oh! Didn't know you were this humble, to ask for help.Applause

Not to worry, when the student(you) is ready, the teacher appearssmile

So instead of a lot of blah blah blah.... do you have a concrete answer?

Do you?

Laughing out loudly I love you Christians and how you hide from anything inconvenient! None of you has any guts!

King Saul was commanded by Yahweh to Slaughter a whole town after taking it over and when he didn't Yahweh took his throne!

How hard was that!?

Must be hard for many of you to swallow... I totally understand because that level of violence is nowhere in the Quran!

1 Samuel 15. If I look at the chapter I see another reason that's different from the one given here.

God dethroned Saul because the latter couldn't be trusted to follow God's will, and instead was more amenable to popular influence and would thus undermine God's covenant with the children of Israel.

@tycho we were not born yesterday so stop manipulating the truth!

Samuel told Saul that it was Yahweh's will that he must slaughter everything that breathes after taking over the town... When Saul didn't slaughter everything that breathes he was dethroned! its that simple..

No. It's not that simple.

Everyone, even God, manipulates truth to validate personal experience.

@tycho, of course it not a simple matter. Now see another instruction given to kill innocent people.

Bible Numbers 31:15-17: "And Moses said to them: have you kept all the women alive? Now therefore kill every male among the little ones. (Every male child, among the little ones, kill them).
And kill every woman who has known a man intimately, kill. (if any woman has ever had sex with a man, kill them also).
But keep alive for yourselves all the young girls who have not known a man intimately. (the young, virgin girls. Not the little ones, little ones are liability, you got to feed them and bring them up, no time for that)

HOW DOES A SOLDIER IN THE FIELD VERIFY THAT A GIRL IS VIRGIN IN ORDER TO KIDNAP HER?
This is the instruction given to Jewish soldiers in the field. Now when they see a young Palestinian girl, how can you verify whether this woman has experienced sex or not? How do you verify? The soldier in the field. He does not know about the saliva test. He does not know anything about that.

THE ONLY WAY IS TO RAPE AND RAVISH THESE POOR GIRLS TO VERIFY WHETHER A MAN HAS BEEN THROUGH HER OR NOT.
And if they discover that she has been already been used, 2nd hand, chop off her head. If not, keep them.

And they saved for themselves 32,000 girls, who had not known a man intimately (Numbers 31:35) (After raping them, they saved themselves 32,000 and out of that)

AND LORD ALMIGHTY TOLD THEM TO KEEP POUND OF FLESH FOR HIM!!

Numbers 31:40 ... Of which Lord's tribute was 32 persons

I'm asking what does the Lord do with 32 raped and ravished girls?

Whatever answer one gives, it will serve personal interest.

@tycho you're always a champion of truth, this time "personal interest" has taken over. Let us go to the logic and algebra stuff, leave this to @mukiri to digest.


Personal interest is for ALL. Even God has it.
AlphDoti
#1077 Posted : Tuesday, October 07, 2014 5:48:03 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
AND LORD ALMIGHTY TOLD THEM TO KEEP POUND OF FLESH FOR HIM!!

Numbers 31:40 ... Of which Lord's tribute was 32 persons

I'm asking what does the Lord do with 32 raped and ravished girls?

Whatever answer one gives, it will serve personal interest.

@tycho you're always a champion of truth, this time "personal interest" has taken over. Let us go to the logic and algebra stuff, leave this to @mukiri to digest.

Personal interest is for ALL. Even God has it.

If a person is saying something on other religions most people who do not belong to that religion they may think that this person is going to speak against his/her religion.
For example: is supposed a Hindu is giving a talk on other religions, the non Hindus may feel that he's going to speak against my religion.
If a Christian is giving a talk on other religions, the non-Christians may feel that he's going to speak against my religion.
Similarly, I being a Muslim, when I talk on other religions, the non-Muslims may feel that I'm going to speak against their religion.
symbols
#1078 Posted : Tuesday, October 07, 2014 6:34:21 PM
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Joined: 3/19/2013
Posts: 2,552
guru267
#1079 Posted : Tuesday, October 07, 2014 7:38:44 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 1/21/2010
Posts: 6,675
Location: Nairobi


#LightUsUp smile
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
simonkabz
#1080 Posted : Tuesday, October 07, 2014 7:42:21 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 3/2/2007
Posts: 8,776
Location: Cameroon
guru267 wrote:

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Btw, what has happened to the mighty turkish army?
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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