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tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:guru267 wrote:Is there any knowledgeable Christian or Jew who can explain to us why the first King of the Jews Saul lost his throne to David??  Inapplicable question. 'Jew' isn't a religion or a mythology that's comparable to 'Christian' or 'Muslim'. And if we were to compare mythologies then we'd all have to share an identity and allow many correct answers. Something very distant from the tenor of your query. a+b = a+b. @tycho, there is always ONE CORRECT answer. Whether you're in primary, secondary, college or university. For example: A. 1+1+1 = 3 (correct) B. 1+1+1 = 1 (wrong) C. a+b = a+b (correct) D. a+b = b+a (correct) E. 2+2 = 4 (correct) F. 2+2 = 1 (wrong) Unfortunately, @AlphDoti, numbers aren't always on a decimal system, and there isn't only one kind of algebra. So your argument is false. @tycho, which part of my argument is false? Let's take your example. When you say 1+1= 2 is right and 1+1= 3 is wrong, whether in primary or university, you are omitting the fact that 'primary' and 'university' are subscribing to a common and specific algebraic system. So the assertion that there is always one correct answer to ALL kinds of algebra and number systems can't be true. But there can be one true answer for a specified algebra and number system. Different religions are different algebraic systems. They may share even source material, but the question as to which system is 'truer' than the other can't apply. Can one comprehesively describe the universe? The question of extraterrestrial intelligence, for example, can only be answered in mythical terms. The same way the 'truth of the universe'. It can't be stated comprehensively. We can only agree to treat our Scriptures with reverence and write others jointly, knowing in our hearts that the ultimate truth can't be uttered. So we agree that regarding algebra and number system, there is only one truth. Regarding religion, I can tell you that there can only be one true religion. All religions cannot be true. For example:Religion 1 says: a and b and c Religion 2 says: a and d and e Religion 3 says: a and f and n If a = TRUE, b = TRUE, c = TRUE and d = TRUE If e = FALSE, f = FALSE and n = FALSE Then:Religion 1 says: TRUE and TRUE and TRUE = TRUE Religion 2 says: TRUE and TRUE and FALSE = FALSE Religion 3 says: TRUE and FALSE and FALSE = FALSE
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:guru267 wrote:Is there any knowledgeable Christian or Jew who can explain to us why the first King of the Jews Saul lost his throne to David??  Inapplicable question. 'Jew' isn't a religion or a mythology that's comparable to 'Christian' or 'Muslim'. And if we were to compare mythologies then we'd all have to share an identity and allow many correct answers. Something very distant from the tenor of your query. a+b = a+b. @tycho, there is always ONE CORRECT answer. Whether you're in primary, secondary, college or university. For example: A. 1+1+1 = 3 (correct) B. 1+1+1 = 1 (wrong) C. a+b = a+b (correct) D. a+b = b+a (correct) E. 2+2 = 4 (correct) F. 2+2 = 1 (wrong) Unfortunately, @AlphDoti, numbers aren't always on a decimal system, and there isn't only one kind of algebra. So your argument is false. @tycho, which part of my argument is false? Let's take your example. When you say 1+1= 2 is right and 1+1= 3 is wrong, whether in primary or university, you are omitting the fact that 'primary' and 'university' are subscribing to a common and specific algebraic system. So the assertion that there is always one correct answer to ALL kinds of algebra and number systems can't be true. But there can be one true answer for a specified algebra and number system. Different religions are different algebraic systems. They may share even source material, but the question as to which system is 'truer' than the other can't apply. Can one comprehesively describe the universe? The question of extraterrestrial intelligence, for example, can only be answered in mythical terms. The same way the 'truth of the universe'. It can't be stated comprehensively. We can only agree to treat our Scriptures with reverence and write others jointly, knowing in our hearts that the ultimate truth can't be uttered. So we agree that regarding algebra and number system, there is only one truth. Regarding religion, I can tell you that there can only be one true religion. All religions cannot be true. For example:Religion 1 says: a and b and c Religion 2 says: a and d and e Religion 3 says: a and f and n If a = TRUE, b = TRUE, c = TRUE and d = TRUE If e = FALSE, f = FALSE and n = FALSE Then:Religion 1 says: TRUE and TRUE and TRUE = TRUE Religion 2 says: TRUE and TRUE and FALSE = FALSE Religion 3 says: TRUE and FALSE and FALSE = FALSE AlphDoti, it is the case that; ANY instance of an algebraic system has at least a true answer. But any two distinguishable systems can't be expected to have a common answer by necessity. Or any religion is necessarily true in itself as long as it accords to personal experience. But personal and even cultural experiences differ.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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Mukiri wrote:guru267 wrote:Mukiri wrote:guru267 wrote:Is there any knowledgeable Christian or Jew who can explain to us why the first King of the Jews Saul lost his throne to David??  An admission of ignorance?  Didn't know you were this humble, to ask for help. Not to worry, when the student(you) is ready, the teacher appears So instead of a lot of blah blah blah.... do you have a concrete answer? Do you?  I love you Christians and how you hide from anything inconvenient! None of you has any guts! King Saul was commanded by Yahweh to Slaughter a whole town after taking it over and when he didn't Yahweh took his throne! How hard was that!? Must be hard for many of you to swallow... I totally understand because that level of violence is nowhere in the Quran! Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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guru267 wrote:Mukiri wrote:guru267 wrote:Mukiri wrote:guru267 wrote:Is there any knowledgeable Christian or Jew who can explain to us why the first King of the Jews Saul lost his throne to David??  An admission of ignorance?  Didn't know you were this humble, to ask for help. Not to worry, when the student(you) is ready, the teacher appears So instead of a lot of blah blah blah.... do you have a concrete answer? Do you?  I love you Christians and how you hide from anything inconvenient! None of you has any guts! King Saul was commanded by Yahweh to Slaughter a whole town after taking it over and when he didn't Yahweh took his throne! How hard was that!? Must be hard for many of you to swallow... I totally understand because that level of violence is nowhere in the Quran! 1 Samuel 15. If I look at the chapter I see another reason that's different from the one given here. God dethroned Saul because the latter couldn't be trusted to follow God's will, and instead was more amenable to popular influence and would thus undermine God's covenant with the children of Israel.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:guru267 wrote:Mukiri wrote:guru267 wrote:Mukiri wrote:guru267 wrote:Is there any knowledgeable Christian or Jew who can explain to us why the first King of the Jews Saul lost his throne to David??  An admission of ignorance?  Didn't know you were this humble, to ask for help. Not to worry, when the student(you) is ready, the teacher appears So instead of a lot of blah blah blah.... do you have a concrete answer? Do you?  I love you Christians and how you hide from anything inconvenient! None of you has any guts! King Saul was commanded by Yahweh to Slaughter a whole town after taking it over and when he didn't Yahweh took his throne! How hard was that!? Must be hard for many of you to swallow... I totally understand because that level of violence is nowhere in the Quran! 1 Samuel 15. If I look at the chapter I see another reason that's different from the one given here. God dethroned Saul because the latter couldn't be trusted to follow God's will, and instead was more amenable to popular influence and would thus undermine God's covenant with the children of Israel. @tycho we were not born yesterday so stop manipulating the truth! Samuel told Saul that it was Yahweh's will that he must slaughter everything that breathes after taking over the town... When Saul didn't slaughter everything that breathes he was dethroned! its that simple.. Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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guru267 wrote:tycho wrote:guru267 wrote:Mukiri wrote:guru267 wrote:Mukiri wrote:guru267 wrote:Is there any knowledgeable Christian or Jew who can explain to us why the first King of the Jews Saul lost his throne to David??  An admission of ignorance?  Didn't know you were this humble, to ask for help. Not to worry, when the student(you) is ready, the teacher appears So instead of a lot of blah blah blah.... do you have a concrete answer? Do you?  I love you Christians and how you hide from anything inconvenient! None of you has any guts! King Saul was commanded by Yahweh to Slaughter a whole town after taking it over and when he didn't Yahweh took his throne! How hard was that!? Must be hard for many of you to swallow... I totally understand because that level of violence is nowhere in the Quran! 1 Samuel 15. If I look at the chapter I see another reason that's different from the one given here. God dethroned Saul because the latter couldn't be trusted to follow God's will, and instead was more amenable to popular influence and would thus undermine God's covenant with the children of Israel. @tycho we were not born yesterday so stop manipulating the truth! Samuel told Saul that it was Yahweh's will that he must slaughter everything that breathes after taking over the town... When Saul didn't slaughter everything that breathes he was dethroned! its that simple.. No. It's not that simple. Everyone, even God, manipulates truth to validate personal experience.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:guru267 wrote:Is there any knowledgeable Christian or Jew who can explain to us why the first King of the Jews Saul lost his throne to David??  Inapplicable question. 'Jew' isn't a religion or a mythology that's comparable to 'Christian' or 'Muslim'. And if we were to compare mythologies then we'd all have to share an identity and allow many correct answers. Something very distant from the tenor of your query. a+b = a+b. @tycho, there is always ONE CORRECT answer. Whether you're in primary, secondary, college or university. For example: A. 1+1+1 = 3 (correct) B. 1+1+1 = 1 (wrong) C. a+b = a+b (correct) D. a+b = b+a (correct) E. 2+2 = 4 (correct) F. 2+2 = 1 (wrong) Unfortunately, @AlphDoti, numbers aren't always on a decimal system, and there isn't only one kind of algebra. So your argument is false. @tycho, which part of my argument is false? Let's take your example. When you say 1+1= 2 is right and 1+1= 3 is wrong, whether in primary or university, you are omitting the fact that 'primary' and 'university' are subscribing to a common and specific algebraic system. So the assertion that there is always one correct answer to ALL kinds of algebra and number systems can't be true. But there can be one true answer for a specified algebra and number system. Different religions are different algebraic systems. They may share even source material, but the question as to which system is 'truer' than the other can't apply. Can one comprehesively describe the universe? The question of extraterrestrial intelligence, for example, can only be answered in mythical terms. The same way the 'truth of the universe'. It can't be stated comprehensively. We can only agree to treat our Scriptures with reverence and write others jointly, knowing in our hearts that the ultimate truth can't be uttered. So we agree that regarding algebra and number system, there is only one truth. Regarding religion, I can tell you that there can only be one true religion. All religions cannot be true. For example:Religion 1 says: a and b and c Religion 2 says: a and d and e Religion 3 says: a and f and n If a = TRUE, b = TRUE, c = TRUE and d = TRUE If e = FALSE, f = FALSE and n = FALSE Then:Religion 1 says: TRUE and TRUE and TRUE = TRUE Religion 2 says: TRUE and TRUE and FALSE = FALSE Religion 3 says: TRUE and FALSE and FALSE = FALSE AlphDoti, it is the case that; ANY instance of an algebraic system has at least a true answer. But any two distinguishable systems can't be expected to have a common answer by necessity. Or any religion is necessarily true in itself as long as it accords to personal experience. But personal and even cultural experiences differ. @tycho, remove "personal experience" from the equation and take the BASIC ARTICLES of anything, you'll find that everything is either TRUTH or FALSE. Nothing is both truth and false, because TRUTH + FALSE = FALSE. For example: due to "personal experience", people say 1+1+1 = 1 and not 3. You see "personal experience" leads to wrong answer. Similarly if x contradicts y, then anybody who says x = y is wrong. But according to his "personal experience" he might be misled and now believes that is truth yet x<>y.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:guru267 wrote:tycho wrote:guru267 wrote:Mukiri wrote:guru267 wrote:Mukiri wrote:guru267 wrote:Is there any knowledgeable Christian or Jew who can explain to us why the first King of the Jews Saul lost his throne to David??  An admission of ignorance?  Didn't know you were this humble, to ask for help. Not to worry, when the student(you) is ready, the teacher appears So instead of a lot of blah blah blah.... do you have a concrete answer? Do you?  I love you Christians and how you hide from anything inconvenient! None of you has any guts! King Saul was commanded by Yahweh to Slaughter a whole town after taking it over and when he didn't Yahweh took his throne! How hard was that!? Must be hard for many of you to swallow... I totally understand because that level of violence is nowhere in the Quran! 1 Samuel 15. If I look at the chapter I see another reason that's different from the one given here. God dethroned Saul because the latter couldn't be trusted to follow God's will, and instead was more amenable to popular influence and would thus undermine God's covenant with the children of Israel. @tycho we were not born yesterday so stop manipulating the truth! Samuel told Saul that it was Yahweh's will that he must slaughter everything that breathes after taking over the town... When Saul didn't slaughter everything that breathes he was dethroned! its that simple.. No. It's not that simple. Everyone, even God, manipulates truth to validate personal experience. @tycho, of course it not a simple matter. Now see another instruction given to kill innocent people. Bible Numbers 31:15-17: " And Moses said to them: have you kept all the women alive? Now therefore kill every male among the little ones. (Every male child, among the little ones, kill them). And kill every woman who has known a man intimately, kill. (if any woman has ever had sex with a man, kill them also). But keep alive for yourselves all the young girls who have not known a man intimately. (the young, virgin girls. Not the little ones, little ones are liability, you got to feed them and bring them up, no time for that) HOW DOES A SOLDIER IN THE FIELD VERIFY THAT A GIRL IS VIRGIN IN ORDER TO KIDNAP HER?This is the instruction given to Jewish soldiers in the field. Now when they see a young Palestinian girl, how can you verify whether this woman has experienced sex or not? How do you verify? The soldier in the field. He does not know about the saliva test. He does not know anything about that. THE ONLY WAY IS TO RAPE AND RAVISH THESE POOR GIRLS TO VERIFY WHETHER A MAN HAS BEEN THROUGH HER OR NOT.And if they discover that she has been already been used, 2nd hand, chop off her head. If not, keep them. And they saved for themselves 32,000 girls, who had not known a man intimately (Numbers 31:35) (After raping them, they saved themselves 32,000 and out of that) AND LORD ALMIGHTY TOLD THEM TO KEEP POUND OF FLESH FOR HIM!!Numbers 31:40 ... Of which Lord's tribute was 32 personsI'm asking what does the Lord do with 32 raped and ravished girls?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:guru267 wrote:tycho wrote:guru267 wrote:Mukiri wrote:guru267 wrote:Mukiri wrote:guru267 wrote:Is there any knowledgeable Christian or Jew who can explain to us why the first King of the Jews Saul lost his throne to David??  An admission of ignorance?  Didn't know you were this humble, to ask for help. Not to worry, when the student(you) is ready, the teacher appears So instead of a lot of blah blah blah.... do you have a concrete answer? Do you?  I love you Christians and how you hide from anything inconvenient! None of you has any guts! King Saul was commanded by Yahweh to Slaughter a whole town after taking it over and when he didn't Yahweh took his throne! How hard was that!? Must be hard for many of you to swallow... I totally understand because that level of violence is nowhere in the Quran! 1 Samuel 15. If I look at the chapter I see another reason that's different from the one given here. God dethroned Saul because the latter couldn't be trusted to follow God's will, and instead was more amenable to popular influence and would thus undermine God's covenant with the children of Israel. @tycho we were not born yesterday so stop manipulating the truth! Samuel told Saul that it was Yahweh's will that he must slaughter everything that breathes after taking over the town... When Saul didn't slaughter everything that breathes he was dethroned! its that simple.. No. It's not that simple. Everyone, even God, manipulates truth to validate personal experience. Ok @tycho Whatever... Yahweh still told Saul to slaughter a whole town and he refused and Yahweh dethroned him.. Mambo Kwisha! Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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3,000 ISIS fighters reportedly cross into Iraq as Kurdish forces prepare to fightQuote:NATO has recently promised it will not abandon Turkey in the event of an attack by IS. “Turkey should know that NATO will be there if there is any spillover, any attacks on Turkey as a consequence of the violence we see in Syria,” the alliance's secretary-general Jens Stoltenberg told Reuters.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:guru267 wrote:Is there any knowledgeable Christian or Jew who can explain to us why the first King of the Jews Saul lost his throne to David??  Inapplicable question. 'Jew' isn't a religion or a mythology that's comparable to 'Christian' or 'Muslim'. And if we were to compare mythologies then we'd all have to share an identity and allow many correct answers. Something very distant from the tenor of your query. a+b = a+b. @tycho, there is always ONE CORRECT answer. Whether you're in primary, secondary, college or university. For example: A. 1+1+1 = 3 (correct) B. 1+1+1 = 1 (wrong) C. a+b = a+b (correct) D. a+b = b+a (correct) E. 2+2 = 4 (correct) F. 2+2 = 1 (wrong) Unfortunately, @AlphDoti, numbers aren't always on a decimal system, and there isn't only one kind of algebra. So your argument is false. @tycho, which part of my argument is false? Let's take your example. When you say 1+1= 2 is right and 1+1= 3 is wrong, whether in primary or university, you are omitting the fact that 'primary' and 'university' are subscribing to a common and specific algebraic system. So the assertion that there is always one correct answer to ALL kinds of algebra and number systems can't be true. But there can be one true answer for a specified algebra and number system. Different religions are different algebraic systems. They may share even source material, but the question as to which system is 'truer' than the other can't apply. Can one comprehesively describe the universe? The question of extraterrestrial intelligence, for example, can only be answered in mythical terms. The same way the 'truth of the universe'. It can't be stated comprehensively. We can only agree to treat our Scriptures with reverence and write others jointly, knowing in our hearts that the ultimate truth can't be uttered. So we agree that regarding algebra and number system, there is only one truth. Regarding religion, I can tell you that there can only be one true religion. All religions cannot be true. For example:Religion 1 says: a and b and c Religion 2 says: a and d and e Religion 3 says: a and f and n If a = TRUE, b = TRUE, c = TRUE and d = TRUE If e = FALSE, f = FALSE and n = FALSE Then:Religion 1 says: TRUE and TRUE and TRUE = TRUE Religion 2 says: TRUE and TRUE and FALSE = FALSE Religion 3 says: TRUE and FALSE and FALSE = FALSE AlphDoti, it is the case that; ANY instance of an algebraic system has at least a true answer. But any two distinguishable systems can't be expected to have a common answer by necessity. Or any religion is necessarily true in itself as long as it accords to personal experience. But personal and even cultural experiences differ. @tycho, remove "personal experience" from the equation and take the BASIC ARTICLES of anything, you'll find that everything is either TRUTH or FALSE. Nothing is both truth and false, because TRUTH + FALSE = FALSE. For example: due to "personal experience", people say 1+1+1 = 1 and not 3. You see "personal experience" leads to wrong answer. Similarly if x contradicts y, then anybody who says x = y is wrong. But according to his "personal experience" he might be misled and now believes that is truth yet x<>y. It's not possible to exclude personal experience from reason or even life. Intelligence is personal experience. The logic basics you've mentioned belong to boolean logic. Other forms of logic like Jainist logic have different basics.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:guru267 wrote:tycho wrote:guru267 wrote:Mukiri wrote:guru267 wrote:Mukiri wrote:guru267 wrote:Is there any knowledgeable Christian or Jew who can explain to us why the first King of the Jews Saul lost his throne to David??  An admission of ignorance?  Didn't know you were this humble, to ask for help. Not to worry, when the student(you) is ready, the teacher appears So instead of a lot of blah blah blah.... do you have a concrete answer? Do you?  I love you Christians and how you hide from anything inconvenient! None of you has any guts! King Saul was commanded by Yahweh to Slaughter a whole town after taking it over and when he didn't Yahweh took his throne! How hard was that!? Must be hard for many of you to swallow... I totally understand because that level of violence is nowhere in the Quran! 1 Samuel 15. If I look at the chapter I see another reason that's different from the one given here. God dethroned Saul because the latter couldn't be trusted to follow God's will, and instead was more amenable to popular influence and would thus undermine God's covenant with the children of Israel. @tycho we were not born yesterday so stop manipulating the truth! Samuel told Saul that it was Yahweh's will that he must slaughter everything that breathes after taking over the town... When Saul didn't slaughter everything that breathes he was dethroned! its that simple.. No. It's not that simple. Everyone, even God, manipulates truth to validate personal experience. @tycho, of course it not a simple matter. Now see another instruction given to kill innocent people. Bible Numbers 31:15-17: " And Moses said to them: have you kept all the women alive? Now therefore kill every male among the little ones. (Every male child, among the little ones, kill them). And kill every woman who has known a man intimately, kill. (if any woman has ever had sex with a man, kill them also). But keep alive for yourselves all the young girls who have not known a man intimately. (the young, virgin girls. Not the little ones, little ones are liability, you got to feed them and bring them up, no time for that) HOW DOES A SOLDIER IN THE FIELD VERIFY THAT A GIRL IS VIRGIN IN ORDER TO KIDNAP HER?This is the instruction given to Jewish soldiers in the field. Now when they see a young Palestinian girl, how can you verify whether this woman has experienced sex or not? How do you verify? The soldier in the field. He does not know about the saliva test. He does not know anything about that. THE ONLY WAY IS TO RAPE AND RAVISH THESE POOR GIRLS TO VERIFY WHETHER A MAN HAS BEEN THROUGH HER OR NOT.And if they discover that she has been already been used, 2nd hand, chop off her head. If not, keep them. And they saved for themselves 32,000 girls, who had not known a man intimately (Numbers 31:35) (After raping them, they saved themselves 32,000 and out of that) AND LORD ALMIGHTY TOLD THEM TO KEEP POUND OF FLESH FOR HIM!!Numbers 31:40 ... Of which Lord's tribute was 32 personsI'm asking what does the Lord do with 32 raped and ravished girls? Whatever answer one gives, it will serve personal interest.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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guru267 wrote:tycho wrote:guru267 wrote:tycho wrote:guru267 wrote:Mukiri wrote:guru267 wrote:Mukiri wrote:guru267 wrote:Is there any knowledgeable Christian or Jew who can explain to us why the first King of the Jews Saul lost his throne to David??  An admission of ignorance?  Didn't know you were this humble, to ask for help. Not to worry, when the student(you) is ready, the teacher appears So instead of a lot of blah blah blah.... do you have a concrete answer? Do you?  I love you Christians and how you hide from anything inconvenient! None of you has any guts! King Saul was commanded by Yahweh to Slaughter a whole town after taking it over and when he didn't Yahweh took his throne! How hard was that!? Must be hard for many of you to swallow... I totally understand because that level of violence is nowhere in the Quran! 1 Samuel 15. If I look at the chapter I see another reason that's different from the one given here. God dethroned Saul because the latter couldn't be trusted to follow God's will, and instead was more amenable to popular influence and would thus undermine God's covenant with the children of Israel. @tycho we were not born yesterday so stop manipulating the truth! Samuel told Saul that it was Yahweh's will that he must slaughter everything that breathes after taking over the town... When Saul didn't slaughter everything that breathes he was dethroned! its that simple.. No. It's not that simple. Everyone, even God, manipulates truth to validate personal experience. Ok @tycho Whatever... Yahweh still told Saul to slaughter a whole town and he refused and Yahweh dethroned him.. Mambo Kwisha! You can't prove that slaughter was the necessary and sufficient condition for dethronement, and that therefore, slaughtering is a virtue.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:guru267 wrote:tycho wrote:guru267 wrote:Mukiri wrote:guru267 wrote:Mukiri wrote:guru267 wrote:Is there any knowledgeable Christian or Jew who can explain to us why the first King of the Jews Saul lost his throne to David??  An admission of ignorance?  Didn't know you were this humble, to ask for help. Not to worry, when the student(you) is ready, the teacher appears So instead of a lot of blah blah blah.... do you have a concrete answer? Do you?  I love you Christians and how you hide from anything inconvenient! None of you has any guts! King Saul was commanded by Yahweh to Slaughter a whole town after taking it over and when he didn't Yahweh took his throne! How hard was that!? Must be hard for many of you to swallow... I totally understand because that level of violence is nowhere in the Quran! 1 Samuel 15. If I look at the chapter I see another reason that's different from the one given here. God dethroned Saul because the latter couldn't be trusted to follow God's will, and instead was more amenable to popular influence and would thus undermine God's covenant with the children of Israel. @tycho we were not born yesterday so stop manipulating the truth! Samuel told Saul that it was Yahweh's will that he must slaughter everything that breathes after taking over the town... When Saul didn't slaughter everything that breathes he was dethroned! its that simple.. No. It's not that simple. Everyone, even God, manipulates truth to validate personal experience. @tycho, of course it not a simple matter. Now see another instruction given to kill innocent people. Bible Numbers 31:15-17: " And Moses said to them: have you kept all the women alive? Now therefore kill every male among the little ones. (Every male child, among the little ones, kill them). And kill every woman who has known a man intimately, kill. (if any woman has ever had sex with a man, kill them also). But keep alive for yourselves all the young girls who have not known a man intimately. (the young, virgin girls. Not the little ones, little ones are liability, you got to feed them and bring them up, no time for that) HOW DOES A SOLDIER IN THE FIELD VERIFY THAT A GIRL IS VIRGIN IN ORDER TO KIDNAP HER?This is the instruction given to Jewish soldiers in the field. Now when they see a young Palestinian girl, how can you verify whether this woman has experienced sex or not? How do you verify? The soldier in the field. He does not know about the saliva test. He does not know anything about that. THE ONLY WAY IS TO RAPE AND RAVISH THESE POOR GIRLS TO VERIFY WHETHER A MAN HAS BEEN THROUGH HER OR NOT.And if they discover that she has been already been used, 2nd hand, chop off her head. If not, keep them. And they saved for themselves 32,000 girls, who had not known a man intimately (Numbers 31:35) (After raping them, they saved themselves 32,000 and out of that) AND LORD ALMIGHTY TOLD THEM TO KEEP POUND OF FLESH FOR HIM!!Numbers 31:40 ... Of which Lord's tribute was 32 personsI'm asking what does the Lord do with 32 raped and ravished girls? Whatever answer one gives, it will serve personal interest. @tycho you're always a champion of truth, this time "personal interest" has taken over. Let us go to the logic and algebra stuff, leave this to @mukiri to digest.
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AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:guru267 wrote:tycho wrote:guru267 wrote:Mukiri wrote:guru267 wrote:Mukiri wrote:guru267 wrote:Is there any knowledgeable Christian or Jew who can explain to us why the first King of the Jews Saul lost his throne to David??  An admission of ignorance?  Didn't know you were this humble, to ask for help. Not to worry, when the student(you) is ready, the teacher appears So instead of a lot of blah blah blah.... do you have a concrete answer? Do you?  I love you Christians and how you hide from anything inconvenient! None of you has any guts! King Saul was commanded by Yahweh to Slaughter a whole town after taking it over and when he didn't Yahweh took his throne! How hard was that!? Must be hard for many of you to swallow... I totally understand because that level of violence is nowhere in the Quran! 1 Samuel 15. If I look at the chapter I see another reason that's different from the one given here. God dethroned Saul because the latter couldn't be trusted to follow God's will, and instead was more amenable to popular influence and would thus undermine God's covenant with the children of Israel. @tycho we were not born yesterday so stop manipulating the truth! Samuel told Saul that it was Yahweh's will that he must slaughter everything that breathes after taking over the town... When Saul didn't slaughter everything that breathes he was dethroned! its that simple.. No. It's not that simple. Everyone, even God, manipulates truth to validate personal experience. @tycho, of course it not a simple matter. Now see another instruction given to kill innocent people. Bible Numbers 31:15-17: " And Moses said to them: have you kept all the women alive? Now therefore kill every male among the little ones. (Every male child, among the little ones, kill them). And kill every woman who has known a man intimately, kill. (if any woman has ever had sex with a man, kill them also). But keep alive for yourselves all the young girls who have not known a man intimately. (the young, virgin girls. Not the little ones, little ones are liability, you got to feed them and bring them up, no time for that) HOW DOES A SOLDIER IN THE FIELD VERIFY THAT A GIRL IS VIRGIN IN ORDER TO KIDNAP HER?This is the instruction given to Jewish soldiers in the field. Now when they see a young Palestinian girl, how can you verify whether this woman has experienced sex or not? How do you verify? The soldier in the field. He does not know about the saliva test. He does not know anything about that. THE ONLY WAY IS TO RAPE AND RAVISH THESE POOR GIRLS TO VERIFY WHETHER A MAN HAS BEEN THROUGH HER OR NOT.And if they discover that she has been already been used, 2nd hand, chop off her head. If not, keep them. And they saved for themselves 32,000 girls, who had not known a man intimately (Numbers 31:35) (After raping them, they saved themselves 32,000 and out of that) AND LORD ALMIGHTY TOLD THEM TO KEEP POUND OF FLESH FOR HIM!!Numbers 31:40 ... Of which Lord's tribute was 32 personsI'm asking what does the Lord do with 32 raped and ravished girls? Whatever answer one gives, it will serve personal interest. @tycho you're always a champion of truth, this time "personal interest" has taken over. Let us go to the logic and algebra stuff, leave this to @mukiri to digest. Personal interest is for ALL. Even God has it.
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tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:AND LORD ALMIGHTY TOLD THEM TO KEEP POUND OF FLESH FOR HIM!!
Numbers 31:40 ... Of which Lord's tribute was 32 persons
I'm asking what does the Lord do with 32 raped and ravished girls? Whatever answer one gives, it will serve personal interest. @tycho you're always a champion of truth, this time "personal interest" has taken over. Let us go to the logic and algebra stuff, leave this to @mukiri to digest. Personal interest is for ALL. Even God has it. If a person is saying something on other religions most people who do not belong to that religion they may think that this person is going to speak against his/her religion. For example: is supposed a Hindu is giving a talk on other religions, the non Hindus may feel that he's going to speak against my religion. If a Christian is giving a talk on other religions, the non-Christians may feel that he's going to speak against my religion. Similarly, I being a Muslim, when I talk on other religions, the non-Muslims may feel that I'm going to speak against their religion.
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