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@alphadoti and @guru could we be allowed to add the acronym AOM (Ass Of a Man) behind each muslim on this forum? so that when referring to @Alph we could just say @Alphadoti AOM as apparently it's an endearing term? Tuko na ruhusa? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:@alphadoti and @guru could we be allowed to add the acronym AOM (Ass Of a Man) behind each muslim on this forum? so that when referring to @Alph we could just say
@Alphadoti AOM as apparently it's an endearing term? Tuko na ruhusa? my apologies... i forgot to add the all important 'wild' in the title so @alph WAOM or should we just drop the 'O' and make it 'WAM'? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/21/2007 Posts: 326
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Um Sayala wrote:Xtianity and Islam are very related, actually almost two sides of the same coin. wonder why there's always war between them.
Anyway Happy Eid Adha. Peace be upon u all Those who say that Christians and Muslims worship the same God are incorrect. In the two religions, God is defined differently and has different and contradictory attributes. The views of God between the two religions are incompatible.Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Mo wrote:Um Sayala wrote:Xtianity and Islam are very related, actually almost two sides of the same coin. wonder why there's always war between them.
Anyway Happy Eid Adha. Peace be upon u all Those who say that Christians and Muslims worship the same God are incorrect. In the two religions, God is defined differently and has different and contradictory attributes. The views of God between the two religions are incompatible. @Mo, would you give us attributes of God is each of the two religions? Show reference as well. You can just mention 4 main attributes, that way you'll not turn and oooh they are too many.
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/21/2007 Posts: 326
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AlphDoti wrote:Mo wrote:Um Sayala wrote:Xtianity and Islam are very related, actually almost two sides of the same coin. wonder why there's always war between them.
Anyway Happy Eid Adha. Peace be upon u all Those who say that Christians and Muslims worship the same God are incorrect. In the two religions, God is defined differently and has different and contradictory attributes. The views of God between the two religions are incompatible. @Mo, would you give us attributes of God is each of the two religions? Show reference as well. You can just mention 4 main attributes, that way you'll not turn and oooh they are too many. @Alpha, I'll stick only to one attribute and I hereby name it The Nature of Godplease donot move away from "The Nature of God" In Christianity, 1. The Bible teaches that there is only one God Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 43:10; Mark 12:29; 1 Corinthians 8:4, 6. God is manifested in three aspects Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. 2. Jesus (God the son) confirmed this trinity himself when he said “Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”John 17:5 in Islam, I know those 2 points above are not the same. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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my issue is that we are quoting texts not understanding.... 1. when they were written 2. who wrote them 3. why they were written All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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masukuma wrote:my issue is that we are quoting texts not understanding....
1. when they were written
2. who wrote them
3. why they were written @masukuma, you can pick each one of the three verses above which have been quoted without understanding and answer your three questions above.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Mo wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Mo wrote:Um Sayala wrote:Xtianity and Islam are very related, actually almost two sides of the same coin. wonder why there's always war between them.
Anyway Happy Eid Adha. Peace be upon u all Those who say that Christians and Muslims worship the same God are incorrect. In the two religions, God is defined differently and has different and contradictory attributes. The views of God between the two religions are incompatible. @Mo, would you give us attributes of God is each of the two religions? Show reference as well. You can just mention 4 main attributes, that way you'll not turn and oooh they are too many. @Alpha, I'll stick only to one attribute and I hereby name it The Nature of Godplease donot move away from "The Nature of God" In Christianity, 1. The Bible teaches that there is only one God Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 43:10; Mark 12:29; 1 Corinthians 8:4, 6. God is manifested in three aspects Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. 2. Jesus (God the son) confirmed this trinity himself when he said “Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”John 17:5 in Islam, I know those 2 points above are not the same. @Mo, so one part of Bible says God is "ONE" as stated commandment no.1, said by Moses and said by Jesus. Other parts say God is "THREE" as said by Paul. Please explain who is right.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:my issue is that we are quoting texts not understanding....
1. when they were written
2. who wrote them
3. why they were written @masukuma, you can pick each one of the three verses above which have been quoted without understanding and answer your three questions above. we always assume that the people that wrote these texts knew about the consequences of their actions and that they were 'deep' texts. for example. Paul gives Onesimus a letter to Philemon. Onesimus had run away from Philemon's service and since he had 'seen the light' he was going back. Paul jots something so that would ensure that Philemon does not hang Onesimus for desertion and possible theft... we still read this letter for 'deep insight'. Do you think Paul thought that the same letter would be distributed and find it's way to africa 2000 years later? It's quite likely that in his old age kabla anyongwe he would have been reminded of the letter and he would have said.. "Oh yeah!... that letter..." same thing with hadiths... someone makes a passing statement... others record it and 1400 years later people use it to kill others... it's quite possible that Muhamad could not even remember what he said in a certain situation. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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AlphDoti wrote:Mo wrote:Um Sayala wrote:Xtianity and Islam are very related, actually almost two sides of the same coin. wonder why there's always war between them.
Anyway Happy Eid Adha. Peace be upon u all Those who say that Christians and Muslims worship the same God are incorrect. In the two religions, God is defined differently and has different and contradictory attributes. The views of God between the two religions are incompatible. @Mo, would you give us attributes of God is each of the two religions? Show reference as well. You can just mention 4 main attributes, that way you'll not turn and oooh they are too many. 1. Does Allah ransom those deserving of death? 2. Does Allah save people from death? 3. If I go to Allah and tell him "Save me, Allah." will he save me if he is most merciful? 4. Allah refers to himself as 'we' an aspect you ascribe to 'majestic' writing whatever. It could be just as well be Allah is many, multiple gods. Is Allah a collective name of multiple gods? I will not stand idly by as you attempt to confuse Mo who is unaware of your wicked willy ways. I will not allow you to exercise your evasive nature to mix up innocent members. I will assist Mo to pin you down. Until you tell me what I want to know, I will afford you no respite.
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/21/2007 Posts: 326
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AlphDoti wrote:Mo wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Mo wrote:Um Sayala wrote:Xtianity and Islam are very related, actually almost two sides of the same coin. wonder why there's always war between them.
Anyway Happy Eid Adha. Peace be upon u all Those who say that Christians and Muslims worship the same God are incorrect. In the two religions, God is defined differently and has different and contradictory attributes. The views of God between the two religions are incompatible. @Mo, would you give us attributes of God is each of the two religions? Show reference as well. You can just mention 4 main attributes, that way you'll not turn and oooh they are too many. @Alpha, I'll stick only to one attribute and I hereby name it The Nature of Godplease donot move away from "The Nature of God" In Christianity, 1. The Bible teaches that there is only one God Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 43:10; Mark 12:29; 1 Corinthians 8:4, 6. God is manifested in three aspects Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. 2. Jesus (God the son) confirmed this trinity himself when he said “Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”John 17:5 in Islam, I know those 2 points above are not the same. @Mo, so one part of Bible says God is "ONE" as stated commandment no.1, said by Moses and said by Jesus. Other parts say God is "THREE" as said by Paul. Please explain who is right. @Alpha, lets not digress. The text I quoted (God the Son) is Jesus quoted verbatim by John. Remember God is ONE and not THREE however God MANIFESTS himself in the father the son and the holy spirit. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Mo wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Mo wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Mo wrote:Um Sayala wrote:Xtianity and Islam are very related, actually almost two sides of the same coin. wonder why there's always war between them.
Anyway Happy Eid Adha. Peace be upon u all Those who say that Christians and Muslims worship the same God are incorrect. In the two religions, God is defined differently and has different and contradictory attributes. The views of God between the two religions are incompatible. @Mo, would you give us attributes of God is each of the two religions? Show reference as well. You can just mention 4 main attributes, that way you'll not turn and oooh they are too many. @Alpha, I'll stick only to one attribute and I hereby name it The Nature of Godplease donot move away from "The Nature of God" In Christianity, 1. The Bible teaches that there is only one God Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 43:10; Mark 12:29; 1 Corinthians 8:4, 6. God is manifested in three aspects Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. 2. Jesus (God the son) confirmed this trinity himself when he said “Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”John 17:5 in Islam, I know those 2 points above are not the same. @Mo, so one part of Bible says God is "ONE" as stated commandment no.1, said by Moses and said by Jesus. Other parts say God is "THREE" as said by Paul. Please explain who is right. @Alpha, lets not digress. The text I quoted (God the Son) is Jesus quoted verbatim by John. Remember God is ONE and not THREE however God MANIFESTS himself in the father the son and the holy spirit. @Mo I'm not digressing, you say Bible says "God is ONE", then you say Bible also says "God is THREE". I'm asking you which is right? How am I digressing by asking you to tell me which one is right. 1. God Himself says in first command that "I'm one, worship no other" 2. Moses said "Hear O Israel God is ONE" 3. Jesus said "Hear O Israel God is ONE, this is first commandment" 4. Paul said "God is three", he came and taught about trinity. I'm telling you even the word "TRINITY" is not in the Bible. How can you turn around and say I'm digressing?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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Mo wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Mo wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Mo wrote:Um Sayala wrote:Xtianity and Islam are very related, actually almost two sides of the same coin. wonder why there's always war between them.
Anyway Happy Eid Adha. Peace be upon u all Those who say that Christians and Muslims worship the same God are incorrect. In the two religions, God is defined differently and has different and contradictory attributes. The views of God between the two religions are incompatible. @Mo, would you give us attributes of God is each of the two religions? Show reference as well. You can just mention 4 main attributes, that way you'll not turn and oooh they are too many. @Alpha, I'll stick only to one attribute and I hereby name it The Nature of Godplease donot move away from "The Nature of God" In Christianity, 1. The Bible teaches that there is only one God Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 43:10; Mark 12:29; 1 Corinthians 8:4, 6. God is manifested in three aspects Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. 2. Jesus (God the son) confirmed this trinity himself when he said “Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”John 17:5 in Islam, I know those 2 points above are not the same. @Mo, so one part of Bible says God is "ONE" as stated commandment no.1, said by Moses and said by Jesus. Other parts say God is "THREE" as said by Paul. Please explain who is right. @Alpha, lets not digress. The text I quoted (God the Son) is Jesus quoted verbatim by John. Remember God is ONE and not THREE however God MANIFESTS himself in the father the son and the holy spirit. Don't believe the lies of the Christian bounty hunter... Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/21/2007 Posts: 326
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AlphDoti wrote:Mo wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Mo wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Mo wrote:Um Sayala wrote:Xtianity and Islam are very related, actually almost two sides of the same coin. wonder why there's always war between them.
Anyway Happy Eid Adha. Peace be upon u all Those who say that Christians and Muslims worship the same God are incorrect. In the two religions, God is defined differently and has different and contradictory attributes. The views of God between the two religions are incompatible. @Mo, would you give us attributes of God is each of the two religions? Show reference as well. You can just mention 4 main attributes, that way you'll not turn and oooh they are too many. @Alpha, I'll stick only to one attribute and I hereby name it The Nature of Godplease donot move away from "The Nature of God" In Christianity, 1. The Bible teaches that there is only one God Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 43:10; Mark 12:29; 1 Corinthians 8:4, 6. God is manifested in three aspects Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. 2. Jesus (God the son) confirmed this trinity himself when he said “Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”John 17:5 in Islam, I know those 2 points above are not the same. @Mo, so one part of Bible says God is "ONE" as stated commandment no.1, said by Moses and said by Jesus. Other parts say God is "THREE" as said by Paul. Please explain who is right. @Alpha, lets not digress. The text I quoted (God the Son) is Jesus quoted verbatim by John. Remember God is ONE and not THREE however God MANIFESTS himself in the father the son and the holy spirit. @Mo I'm not digressing, you say Bible says "God is ONE", then you say Bible also says "God is THREE". I'm asking you which is right? How am I digressing by asking you to tell me which one is right. 1. God Himself says in first command that "I'm one, worship no other" 2. Moses said "Hear O Israel God is ONE" 3. Jesus said "Hear O Israel God is ONE, this is first commandment" 4. Paul said "God is three", he came and taught about trinity. I'm telling you even the word "TRINITY" is not in the Bible. How can you turn around and say I'm digressing? @Alpha, the reason why I engaged with you was simple - you wanted to know what attributes of the God that Christians worship are different from Allah. I gave you one - The Nature of God. The fact that we cant agree on the nature of God means Christians and muslims dont worship the same God! The trinity which you claim is not in the bible is actually in there! I have selected 3 passags to confirm the same 1. God himself has confirmed it - "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.” Mark 1.11 2. Jesus confirms it “Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”John 17:5 3. The trinity is also confirmed again by Jesus himself "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance" John 14:26 Notice that I have deliberately avoided quoting from Paul, all the above events happen even before Paul becomes a follower of Jesus, it is not Paul that taught about the trinity - it was God himself and Jesus his son. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Mo wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Mo wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Mo wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Mo wrote:Um Sayala wrote:Xtianity and Islam are very related, actually almost two sides of the same coin. wonder why there's always war between them.
Anyway Happy Eid Adha. Peace be upon u all Those who say that Christians and Muslims worship the same God are incorrect. In the two religions, God is defined differently and has different and contradictory attributes. The views of God between the two religions are incompatible. @Mo, would you give us attributes of God is each of the two religions? Show reference as well. You can just mention 4 main attributes, that way you'll not turn and oooh they are too many. @Alpha, I'll stick only to one attribute and I hereby name it The Nature of Godplease donot move away from "The Nature of God" In Christianity, 1. The Bible teaches that there is only one God Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 43:10; Mark 12:29; 1 Corinthians 8:4, 6. God is manifested in three aspects Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. 2. Jesus (God the son) confirmed this trinity himself when he said “Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”John 17:5 in Islam, I know those 2 points above are not the same. @Mo, so one part of Bible says God is "ONE" as stated commandment no.1, said by Moses and said by Jesus. Other parts say God is "THREE" as said by Paul. Please explain who is right. @Alpha, lets not digress. The text I quoted (God the Son) is Jesus quoted verbatim by John. Remember God is ONE and not THREE however God MANIFESTS himself in the father the son and the holy spirit. @Mo I'm not digressing, you say Bible says "God is ONE", then you say Bible also says "God is THREE". I'm asking you which is right? How am I digressing by asking you to tell me which one is right. 1. God Himself says in first command that "I'm one, worship no other" 2. Moses said "Hear O Israel God is ONE" 3. Jesus said "Hear O Israel God is ONE, this is first commandment" 4. Paul said "God is three", he came and taught about trinity. I'm telling you even the word "TRINITY" is not in the Bible. How can you turn around and say I'm digressing? @Alpha, the reason why I engaged with you was simple - you wanted to know what attributes of the God that Christians worship are different from Allah. I gave you one - The Nature of God. The fact that we cant agree on the nature of God means Christians and muslims dont worship the same God! The trinity which you claim is not in the bible is actually in there! I have selected 3 passags to confirm the same 1. God himself has confirmed it - "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.” Mark 1.11 2. Jesus confirms it “Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”John 17:5 3. The trinity is also confirmed again by Jesus himself "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance" John 14:26 Notice that I have deliberately avoided quoting from Paul, all the above events happen even before Paul becomes a follower of Jesus, it is not Paul that taught about the trinity - it was God himself and Jesus his son. @mo I didn't see the word " TRINITY" in those verses. Who gave God the trinitarian attribute?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Eid ni Thursday 24th Sep 2015.
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AlphDoti wrote:Eid ni Thursday 24th Sep 2015. Kuna holiday?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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@muriel, thank you for sharing  Actually, Eid will be on Thus and not Wed. In fact Wed the Muslims will also fast, just like the Jews on their Yom Kappur fasting. So I believe, Wed will be peaceful in Jerusalem.
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