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guru267 wrote:Jus Blazin wrote:guru267 wrote:Um Sayala wrote:Xtianity and Islam are very related, actually almost two sides of the same coin. wonder why there's always war between them. Anyway Happy Eid Adha. Peace be upon u all Genesis 16:12 "Ishmael shall be a wild ass of a man, his hand against everyone and everyone's hand against his; he will always be in opposition to his brother."What God has decreed no man can change! Who knew in the end God would actually take the side of Ishmael!? Eish. There's a difference between an Arab and a Muslim. Stop quoting bible haphazardly. @JusBlazin please use some Wisdom! The Bible here is clearly talking about the religion of Ishamel vs the religions of Isaac! in your own words Muslims are Quote:wild asses of a men All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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masukuma wrote:guru267 wrote:Jus Blazin wrote:guru267 wrote:Um Sayala wrote:Xtianity and Islam are very related, actually almost two sides of the same coin. wonder why there's always war between them. Anyway Happy Eid Adha. Peace be upon u all Genesis 16:12 "Ishmael shall be a wild ass of a man, his hand against everyone and everyone's hand against his; he will always be in opposition to his brother."What God has decreed no man can change! Who knew in the end God would actually take the side of Ishmael!? Eish. There's a difference between an Arab and a Muslim. Stop quoting bible haphazardly. @JusBlazin please use some Wisdom! The Bible here is clearly talking about the religion of Ishamel vs the religions of Isaac! in your own words Muslims are Quote:wild asses of a men @guru are you misquoting the Bible? Genesis 16:12 (King James Version) " And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Happy Eid. Kuna ka holiday namna hii namna hivo?
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@AlpaDoti
Surah Al-Hujurat 49:11
O you who have believed, let not a people ridicule [another] people; perhaps they may be better than them; nor let women ridicule [other] women; perhaps they may be better than them. And do not insult one another and do not call each other by [offensive] nicknames. Wretched is the name of disobedience after [one's] faith. And whoever does not repent - then it is those who are the wrongdoers.
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lol.. I'm not surprised. You've been conditioned well. Now all they need to do is give you a gun and some bombs, and your horny self will foolishly be heaven-bound to your purported virgins.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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FOR THOSE WHO DIDN'T KNOW, READ ON...What does Eid Al-Adha commemorate?When Muslims go for Hajj, we remember and commemorate the trials and tribulations of the Prophet Abraham (aleihi salaam). The Qur'an describes Abraham as follows: " Surely Abraham was an example, obedient to Allah, by nature upright, and he was not of the polytheists. He was grateful for Our bounties. We chose him and guided him unto a right path. We gave him good in this world, and in the next he will most surely be among the righteous." (Qur'an chapter 16:120-121) Remember Abraham's trial of obeying Allah (Almighty God) command to kill his only son? We really went round and round with @muriel on thisHe submitted to Allah's will by obeying the command. When he was about to do as commanded, Allah revealed to him that his has already fulfilled the test, the " sacrifice". His love for God was above all others, no wonder he could lay down the life of his own son in order to submit to God.
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I'm almost afraid to ask you how old Abraham's son was... seeing as it is that you are posting kiddie pictures
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:guru267 wrote:Jus Blazin wrote:guru267 wrote:Um Sayala wrote:Xtianity and Islam are very related, actually almost two sides of the same coin. wonder why there's always war between them. Anyway Happy Eid Adha. Peace be upon u all Genesis 16:12 "Ishmael shall be a wild ass of a man, his hand against everyone and everyone's hand against his; he will always be in opposition to his brother."What God has decreed no man can change! Who knew in the end God would actually take the side of Ishmael!? Eish. There's a difference between an Arab and a Muslim. Stop quoting bible haphazardly. @JusBlazin please use some Wisdom! The Bible here is clearly talking about the religion of Ishamel vs the religions of Isaac! in your own words Muslims are Quote:wild asses of a men @guru are you misquoting the Bible? Genesis 16:12 (King James Version) " And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren." Between King James version, NI version, African version or Mama Mbogas version of the Bible how am I supposed to know which one is right?? Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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Mukiri wrote:I'm almost afraid to ask you how old Abraham's son was... seeing as it is that you are posting kiddie pictures The Bible clearly states that it was Abrahams only son who God asked him to sacrifice... So that must have been before Isaac was born! And Isaac was born when Ishmael was like 14. Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Mukiri wrote:I'm almost afraid to ask you how old Abraham's son was... seeing as it is that you are posting kiddie pictures @mukiri you are afraid, you're never afraid when you call people names, so i guess you feared some truth exposed if you ask that question Note: If you don't ask, I'll answer anyway
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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guru267 wrote:AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:guru267 wrote:Jus Blazin wrote:guru267 wrote:Um Sayala wrote:Xtianity and Islam are very related, actually almost two sides of the same coin. wonder why there's always war between them. Anyway Happy Eid Adha. Peace be upon u all Genesis 16:12 "Ishmael shall be a wild ass of a man, his hand against everyone and everyone's hand against his; he will always be in opposition to his brother."What God has decreed no man can change! Who knew in the end God would actually take the side of Ishmael!? Eish. There's a difference between an Arab and a Muslim. Stop quoting bible haphazardly. @JusBlazin please use some Wisdom! The Bible here is clearly talking about the religion of Ishamel vs the religions of Isaac! in your own words Muslims are Quote:wild asses of a men @guru are you misquoting the Bible? Genesis 16:12 (King James Version) " And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren." Between King James version, NI version, African version or Mama Mbogas version of the Bible how am I supposed to know which one is right?? Ok, i understand. You mean now they've changed some versions to call Ismael "ass of man". These people are really what Jesus a.s called them "adulterous, murderers, liers, fornicators..."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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guru267 wrote:AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:guru267 wrote:Jus Blazin wrote:guru267 wrote:Um Sayala wrote:Xtianity and Islam are very related, actually almost two sides of the same coin. wonder why there's always war between them. Anyway Happy Eid Adha. Peace be upon u all Genesis 16:12 "Ishmael shall be a wild ass of a man, his hand against everyone and everyone's hand against his; he will always be in opposition to his brother."What God has decreed no man can change! Who knew in the end God would actually take the side of Ishmael!? Eish. There's a difference between an Arab and a Muslim. Stop quoting bible haphazardly. @JusBlazin please use some Wisdom! The Bible here is clearly talking about the religion of Ishamel vs the religions of Isaac! in your own words Muslims are Quote:wild asses of a men @guru are you misquoting the Bible? Genesis 16:12 (King James Version) " And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren." Between King James version, NI version, African version or Mama Mbogas version of the Bible how am I supposed to know which one is right?? You also seem exasperated by this dude... then he goes on to kiss your wild ass. guru267 wrote:Mukiri wrote:I'm almost afraid to ask you how old Abraham's son was... seeing as it is that you are posting kiddie pictures The Bible clearly states that it was Abrahams only son who God asked him to sacrifice... So that must have been before Isaac was born! And Isaac was born when Ishmael was like 14. The Bible does not give a direct answer to the question of Isaac’s age when he was about to be offered as a sacrifice by his father. We therefore must conclude that neither our understanding of the passage nor our grasp of the points that God wants us to learn depend on knowing his age. However, some linguistic data are available that shed some light on the matter by pointing us in the direction of Isaac being older than we normally think, i.e., 20+. In the first place, consider the details pertaining to chronology. Sarah gave birth to Isaac when she was 90 years old (Genesis 17:17). She would have been 92 or 93, 95 at most, when Isaac was weaned. She died at age 127 (Genesis 23:1)—when Isaac was 37 years old. Following Isaac’s birth, the events of the rest of Genesis chapter 21 (i.e., the driving out of Hagar and Ishmael, and the incident with Abimelech), as well as the events of chapter 22, all occurred during a 35-year period (approximately). Notice the expression “many days” in Genesis 21:34, as well as the phrase “after these things” in 22:1. These allusions would suggest that some time had elapsed prior to the offering of Isaac. In the second place, the term “lad” used to refer to Isaac (21:5,12) is a flexible Hebrew term that does not necessarily refer to what we ordinarily think of—i.e., a boy. Rather, the term encompasses a wide range of meanings—from a baby (e.g., Exodus 2:6; 2 Samuel 12:16) to a young man (e.g., Absalom in 2 Samuel 14:21; 18:5). It even can refer to “servant” or “attendant” (e.g., 2 Samuel 16:1) as well as soldier/leader (1 Kings 20:14,15,17,19). Look closely at the context of the Isaac passage in 22:5 where the servants that accompanied Abraham and Isaac are referred to as “young men” (22:3,5,19). The word “servants” is precisely the same term that is used in verses 5 and 12 to refer to Isaac (cf. Gesenius, 1979, p. 555; Wigram, 1980, p. 823; Harris, et al., 1980, 2:585-586). Were the servants that accompanied Abraham 5 to 7 year olds? Or were they older? Third, Isaac was given the task of carrying the wood for the impending sacrifice (22:6). There would have been enough wood to consume a human body when set on fire. Could a 5- to 7-year-old child carry such a burden? It points to Isaac being a young man—not a young boy.
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Mukiri wrote:guru267 wrote:AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:guru267 wrote:Jus Blazin wrote:guru267 wrote:Um Sayala wrote:Xtianity and Islam are very related, actually almost two sides of the same coin. wonder why there's always war between them. Anyway Happy Eid Adha. Peace be upon u all Genesis 16:12 "Ishmael shall be a wild ass of a man, his hand against everyone and everyone's hand against his; he will always be in opposition to his brother."What God has decreed no man can change! Who knew in the end God would actually take the side of Ishmael!? Eish. There's a difference between an Arab and a Muslim. Stop quoting bible haphazardly. @JusBlazin please use some Wisdom! The Bible here is clearly talking about the religion of Ishamel vs the religions of Isaac! in your own words Muslims are Quote:wild asses of a men @guru are you misquoting the Bible? Genesis 16:12 (King James Version) " And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren." Between King James version, NI version, African version or Mama Mbogas version of the Bible how am I supposed to know which one is right?? You also seem exasperated by this dude... then he goes on to kiss your wild ass. guru267 wrote:Mukiri wrote:I'm almost afraid to ask you how old Abraham's son was... seeing as it is that you are posting kiddie pictures The Bible clearly states that it was Abrahams only son who God asked him to sacrifice... So that must have been before Isaac was born! And Isaac was born when Ishmael was like 14. The Bible does not give a direct answer to the question of Isaac’s age when he was about to be offered as a sacrifice by his father. We therefore must conclude that neither our understanding of the passage nor our grasp of the points that God wants us to learn depend on knowing his age. However, some linguistic data are available that shed some light on the matter by pointing us in the direction of Isaac being older than we normally think, i.e., 20+. In the first place, consider the details pertaining to chronology. Sarah gave birth to Isaac when she was 90 years old (Genesis 17:17). She would have been 92 or 93, 95 at most, when Isaac was weaned. She died at age 127 (Genesis 23:1)—when Isaac was 37 years old. Following Isaac’s birth, the events of the rest of Genesis chapter 21 (i.e., the driving out of Hagar and Ishmael, and the incident with Abimelech), as well as the events of chapter 22, all occurred during a 35-year period (approximately). Notice the expression “many days” in Genesis 21:34, as well as the phrase “after these things” in 22:1. These allusions would suggest that some time had elapsed prior to the offering of Isaac. In the second place, the term “lad” used to refer to Isaac (21:5,12) is a flexible Hebrew term that does not necessarily refer to what we ordinarily think of—i.e., a boy. Rather, the term encompasses a wide range of meanings—from a baby (e.g., Exodus 2:6; 2 Samuel 12:16) to a young man (e.g., Absalom in 2 Samuel 14:21; 18:5). It even can refer to “servant” or “attendant” (e.g., 2 Samuel 16:1) as well as soldier/leader (1 Kings 20:14,15,17,19). Look closely at the context of the Isaac passage in 22:5 where the servants that accompanied Abraham and Isaac are referred to as “young men” (22:3,5,19). The word “servants” is precisely the same term that is used in verses 5 and 12 to refer to Isaac (cf. Gesenius, 1979, p. 555; Wigram, 1980, p. 823; Harris, et al., 1980, 2:585-586). Were the servants that accompanied Abraham 5 to 7 year olds? Or were they older? Third, Isaac was given the task of carrying the wood for the impending sacrifice (22:6). There would have been enough wood to consume a human body when set on fire. Could a 5- to 7-year-old child carry such a burden? It points to Isaac being a young man—not a young boy. All your explanations have no meaning when the Bible contradicts itself when it calls Isaac Abraham's only son... Its like its trying to hide something! The only time Abraham had one son was when he had Ishmael before Isaac was born! Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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There are other examples in the Bible, where illegitimate children, are not considered sons
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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Mukiri wrote:There are other examples in the Bible, where illegitimate children, are not considered sons I so knew you were going to stoop this low... How predictable! Genesis 17:23 Then Abraham took HIS SON Ishmael and all his slaves... and he circumcised the flesh of their foreskins as God told him to doGenesis 17: 26 On that day Abraham and HIS SON Ishmael were circumcisedGenesis 21:11 Abraham was greatly distressed, especially on account of HIS SON IshmaelGenesis 21:13 As for the son of the slave woman, I will make a great nation of him also, since he too is YOUR SONGenesis 25:9 HIS SONS Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah....Genesis 25:12 These are the descendants of ABRAHAM'S SON Ishmael whom the slave woman bore to him.....You should learn how to read your contradictory Bible! Now the next thing is for you to ignore this post out of being speechless Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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AlphDoti wrote:FOR THOSE WHO DIDN'T KNOW, READ ON...
What does Eid Al-Adha commemorate? When Muslims go for Hajj, we remember and commemorate the trials and tribulations of the Prophet Abraham (aleihi salaam). The Qur'an describes Abraham as follows: "Surely Abraham was an example, obedient to Allah, by nature upright, and he was not of the polytheists. He was grateful for Our bounties. We chose him and guided him unto a right path. We gave him good in this world, and in the next he will most surely be among the righteous." (Qur'an chapter 16:120-121)
Remember Abraham's trial of obeying Allah (Almighty God) command to kill his only son? We really went round and round with @muriel on this He submitted to Allah's will by obeying the command. When he was about to do as commanded, Allah revealed to him that his has already fulfilled the test, the "sacrifice". His love for God was above all others, no wonder he could lay down the life of his own son in order to submit to God.
Salvation! The qur'an tells me Allah ransomed the boy. With a great sacrifice. Allah ransoms. Redemption. Salvation.
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guru267 wrote:Mukiri wrote:There are other examples in the Bible, where illegitimate children, are not considered sons I so knew you were going to stoop this low... How predictable! Genesis 17:23 Then Abraham took HIS SON Ishmael and all his slaves... and he circumcised the flesh of their foreskins as God told him to doGenesis 17: 26 On that day Abraham and HIS SON Ishmael were circumcisedGenesis 21:11 Abraham was greatly distressed, especially on account of HIS SON IshmaelGenesis 21:13 As for the son of the slave woman, I will make a great nation of him also, since he too is YOUR SONGenesis 25:9 HIS SONS Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah....Genesis 25:12 These are the descendants of ABRAHAM'S SON Ishmael whom the slave woman bore to him.....You should learn how to read your contradictory Bible! Now the next thing is for you to ignore this post out of being speechless Same thing in the example of Gideon and his 'son' Abimelech. Numerous references of son, just like you've elucidated above BUT Judges 9:1-2 And Abimelech the son of Jerubbaal went to Shechem to his mother’s relatives, and spoke to them and to the whole clan of the household of his mother’s father, saying, “Speak, now, in the hearing of all the leaders of Shechem, ‘Which is better for you, that seventy men, all the sons of Jerubbaal, rule over you, or that one man rule over you?’ Also, remember that I am your bone and your flesh.” - Even Abimelech himself does not consider himself part of "all the sons of Jerubbaal." What the example from Abimelech's life shows us is that a "son" in one sense can be excluded from the list of "sons" in another sense. In the case of Abimelech it was because he was born of a concubine and not by one of Gideon's wives.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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Anyways, like most things Muslims and Christians differ on, it would be next to impossible to get a consensus here.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Mukiri wrote:Anyways, like most things Muslims and Christians differ on, it would be next to impossible to get a consensus here. @mukiri let us show you these things in your own Bible. Is the below verse in your Bible? Hagar was Abraham's wife! " ... and (she, Sarah) gave her (Hagar) to her husband TO BE HIS WIFE." GENESIS 16:3 What about the below, talking about KETURAH, the third wife of Abraham? " Then again Abraham took a WIFE, and her name was Keturah." GENESIS 25:1 Here Keturah being the WIFE of Abraham is being contradicted in the selfsame "Word of God" - i.e. 1 CHRONICLES 1:32, where Keturah is described as Abraham's CONCUBINE. Here is an extra contradiction in the Bible, unless " WIFE" and " CONCUBINE" are synonymous terms.
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