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Devolution is slowly destroying us
Shak
#1 Posted : Sunday, October 05, 2014 9:06:11 AM
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While the idea to devolve resources to counties was a noble idea, it is now clear that a lot of evil is emanating from it. The health sector is being mismanaged, people are extremely divided not just tribally but clans and families are turning against each other. There is massive greed, intolerance and corruption. We need to save our country before it is too late
washiku
#2 Posted : Sunday, October 05, 2014 9:09:41 AM
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Shak wrote:
While the idea to devolve resources to counties was a noble idea, it is now clear that a lot of evil is emanating from it. The health sector is being mismanaged, people are extremely divided not just tribally but clans and families are turning against each other. There is massive greed, intolerance and corruption. We need to save our country before it is too late


How do you suggest we save our country?
Shak
#3 Posted : Sunday, October 05, 2014 9:17:17 AM
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washiku wrote:
Shak wrote:
While the idea to devolve resources to counties was a noble idea, it is now clear that a lot of evil is emanating from it. The health sector is being mismanaged, people are extremely divided not just tribally but clans and families are turning against each other. There is massive greed, intolerance and corruption. We need to save our country before it is too late


How do you suggest we save our country?

Good question. We need to take a long hard look at ourselves and figure out what is important. Pouring more money into counties will not solve anything but make us more divided. We could start by seeing how other countries are managing their devolved systems and borrow a leaf
simonkabz
#4 Posted : Sunday, October 05, 2014 9:47:24 AM
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The idea of creating 47 centres of development and power was not bad, but elevating the positions of these Rats and making them powerful as well as over-glorifying the governors was a huge mistake. This is one of the reasons recurrent expenditure is so high to maintain these bloated egos.

CDF worked just fine, just needed to be increased. If all the county money was devolved through CDF we would have been treated to less eating, less drama, tiny wage bill, less politics more development.
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tycho
#5 Posted : Sunday, October 05, 2014 10:21:27 AM
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Shak wrote:
While the idea to devolve resources to counties was a noble idea, it is now clear that a lot of evil is emanating from it. The health sector is being mismanaged, people are extremely divided not just tribally but clans and families are turning against each other. There is massive greed, intolerance and corruption. We need to save our country before it is too late


Devolution can't destroy us. Our political ideas are destroying us. Voters are asleep and political leaders blind.

And this is because our spirituality is corrupt.
Mukiri
#6 Posted : Sunday, October 05, 2014 8:48:14 PM
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Teething problems.

You don't stop a child who's learning to walk, just because he's fallen a few times.

Proverbs 19:21
Impunity
#7 Posted : Sunday, October 05, 2014 8:58:43 PM
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Shak wrote:
washiku wrote:
Shak wrote:
While the idea to devolve resources to counties was a noble idea, it is now clear that a lot of evil is emanating from it. The health sector is being mismanaged, people are extremely divided not just tribally but clans and families are turning against each other. There is massive greed, intolerance and corruption. We need to save our country before it is too late


How do you suggest we save our country?

Good question. We need to take a long hard look at ourselves and figure out what is important. Pouring more money into counties will not solve anything but make us more divided. We could start by seeing how other countries are managing their devolved systems and borrow a leaf


We did that 10 years ago, where were you in 2005?

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simonkabz
#8 Posted : Sunday, October 05, 2014 9:12:18 PM
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Mukiri wrote:
Teething problems.

You don't stop a child who's learning to walk, just because he's fallen a few times.

Of course devolution is going nowhere, but this will be a steep learning curve. However, some counties are really reaping the fruits, while others are making everybody sick.
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Kratos
#9 Posted : Sunday, October 05, 2014 9:17:42 PM
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Mukiri wrote:
Teething problems.

You don't stop a child who's learning to walk, just because he's fallen a few times.


Neither does a baby start running when he/she should be crawling. Kenyans are not known for their patience and this could be our Achilles heel in devolution. We want everything NOW!

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The fast pace of devolving services to county governments could hurt the country’s economic wellbeing, resulting in high interest rates for credit.

In its latest report on the country, the International Monetary Fund has cautioned the government over the fast rate of devolution and transfer of money to county governments, saying it could strain cash management and cause unstable interest rates.


Devolution as construed in the pre-constitution bomas talks was about power back to the people but what we really need is resources to be available to the people mashinani and everywhere else. The thing is for Kenyans to stop thinking that there is an end to development such that it needs to happen NOW!

“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
Mukiri
#10 Posted : Sunday, October 05, 2014 9:40:32 PM
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The same people would have called back the colonial masters, when we experienced a few problems after independence.

We'll get there. Its some of us doubting-Thomases that are doing the country the greatest disservice.

Proverbs 19:21
Swenani
#11 Posted : Friday, February 05, 2016 3:28:38 PM
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murchr
#12 Posted : Friday, February 05, 2016 8:01:42 PM
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Swenani wrote:


Wacha wa benchmark, I hope we'll see the benches when they come back
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#13 Posted : Friday, February 05, 2016 9:00:26 PM
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Kratos wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
Teething problems.

You don't stop a child who's learning to walk, just because he's fallen a few times.


Neither does a baby start running when he/she should be crawling. Kenyans are not known for their patience and this could be our Achilles heel in devolution. We want everything NOW!

Quote:
The fast pace of devolving services to county governments could hurt the country’s economic wellbeing, resulting in high interest rates for credit.

In its latest report on the country, the International Monetary Fund has cautioned the government over the fast rate of devolution and transfer of money to county governments, saying it could strain cash management and cause unstable interest rates.


Devolution as construed in the pre-constitution bomas talks was about power back to the people but what we really need is resources to be available to the people mashinani and everywhere else. The thing is for Kenyans to stop thinking that there is an end to development such that it needs to happen NOW!

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Swenani
#14 Posted : Sunday, November 06, 2016 11:53:39 AM
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A section of Kakamega's Bukhungu Stadium, which is under a Sh1 billion renovation exercise, collapsed on Saturday.

The reasons for the collapse were not revealed by the quality of work was questioned earlier in the year.

Mahiakalo MCA Cleophas Malala claimed the county was rushing through development projects so it could refer to them in 2017 campaigns.
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githundi
#15 Posted : Sunday, November 06, 2016 12:05:01 PM
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It's not devolution that is slowly destroying us but rather the people we have entrusted with leadership at the counties. .We can only blame ourselves because we get the leadership we deserve
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maka
#16 Posted : Sunday, November 06, 2016 1:15:38 PM
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githundi wrote:
It's not devolution that is slowly destroying us but rather the people we have entrusted with leadership at the counties. .We can only blame ourselves because we get the leadership we deserve


True...
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hardwood
#17 Posted : Wednesday, October 24, 2018 11:19:22 AM
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