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ICC HE Uhuru Kenyatta PORK - 12th November
B.Timer
#471 Posted : Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:06:05 AM
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kollabo
#472 Posted : Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:44:36 AM
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Shak wrote:
They should allow him to use videolink. Unless they're just trying to flex some muscle


Kitendawili said that cannot work.
Nandwa
#473 Posted : Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:53:46 AM
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harrydre wrote:
Nandwa wrote:

Uhuru Kenyatta 'can request' to attend ICC via video-link
Quote:
The ICC on Monday said Mr Kenyatta is expected to attend the conference in the Netherlands as a matter of principle unless his lawyers appeal for an alternative means.


haka ka-koti bandia kako in panic mode. it must protect it's integrity. I hope the Prezzo man's up, puts ego aside (i doubt he has any) and attends.


Disrespecting Pork! Hope not.
Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
wanyee
#474 Posted : Tuesday, September 23, 2014 4:32:33 PM
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As for Gaitho ..it is well known which side of his bread toast is buttered and jammed from....so he tends to wear googles...he is part of the "Pentagon Axis"
washiku
#475 Posted : Tuesday, September 23, 2014 6:22:36 PM
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wanyee wrote:

As for Gaitho ..it is well known which side of his bread toast is buttered and jammed from....so he tends to wear googles...he is part of the "Pentagon Axis"


Really? I find him very sober in his arguments. Maybe its me.
limanika
#476 Posted : Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:00:19 PM
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I only find 1 reason why judges want pork to attend---whether physically or by video link is immaterial.
Basically, the same old scenario will play out at the court room. OTP will say GOK has not supplied info w.r.t property, finances & telephone records and cannot move forward with the case. GOK will say they have submitted all the documents they could reasonably manage to. As usual, on property and telephone records, GOK will maintain that OTP should provide LR numbers and telephone numbers and company reg no. etc to facilitate search. The Defense will say they have no input into the process.
At conclusion or when making determination a few days later, the lead judge will say….”This matter has reached a stalemate. The chamber cannot proceed to make determination, unless the said records are submitted as requested by OTP. However, the accused is/was present with us in courtroom. He now fully understands what documents the OTP requires, and has seen the stalemate that we have reached in respect of the same. The chamber is convinced that the accused knows the extent of his land ownership, that of his associates, including companies and telephone records. In order to move forward, the chamber directs the accused, who is/was present in court, to make arrangements and present any copies of the required records in his possession to OTP. The chamber also herewith directs the OTP to list down the missing documents and send them to defense council of the accused.”
Kratos
#477 Posted : Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:41:45 PM
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limanika wrote:
I only find 1 reason why judges want pork to attend---whether physically or by video link is immaterial.
Basically, the same old scenario will play out at the court room. OTP will say GOK has not supplied info w.r.t property, finances & telephone records and cannot move forward with the case. GOK will say they have submitted all the documents they could reasonably manage to. As usual, on property and telephone records, GOK will maintain that OTP should provide LR numbers and telephone numbers and company reg no. etc to facilitate search. The Defense will say they have no input into the process.
At conclusion or when making determination a few days later, the lead judge will say….”This matter has reached a stalemate. The chamber cannot proceed to make determination, unless the said records are submitted as requested by OTP. However, the accused is/was present with us in courtroom. He now fully understands what documents the OTP requires, and has seen the stalemate that we have reached in respect of the same. The chamber is convinced that the accused knows the extent of his land ownership, that of his associates, including companies and telephone records. In order to move forward, the chamber directs the accused, who is/was present in court, to make arrangements and present any copies of the required records in his possession to OTP. The chamber also herewith directs the OTP to list down the missing documents and send them to defense council of the accused.”


But surely which justice system in the world gives the onussmile to the accused to provide evidence against themselves. So if the charges were confirmed under the guise that they have a watertight case, how do we go back to evidence collection and investigation when the trial is half way through?

“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
harrydre
#478 Posted : Tuesday, September 23, 2014 9:15:56 PM
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Kratos wrote:
limanika wrote:
I only find 1 reason why judges want pork to attend---whether physically or by video link is immaterial.
Basically, the same old scenario will play out at the court room. OTP will say GOK has not supplied info w.r.t property, finances & telephone records and cannot move forward with the case. GOK will say they have submitted all the documents they could reasonably manage to. As usual, on property and telephone records, GOK will maintain that OTP should provide LR numbers and telephone numbers and company reg no. etc to facilitate search. The Defense will say they have no input into the process.
At conclusion or when making determination a few days later, the lead judge will say….”This matter has reached a stalemate. The chamber cannot proceed to make determination, unless the said records are submitted as requested by OTP. However, the accused is/was present with us in courtroom. He now fully understands what documents the OTP requires, and has seen the stalemate that we have reached in respect of the same. The chamber is convinced that the accused knows the extent of his land ownership, that of his associates, including companies and telephone records. In order to move forward, the chamber directs the accused, who is/was present in court, to make arrangements and present any copies of the required records in his possession to OTP. The chamber also herewith directs the OTP to list down the missing documents and send them to defense council of the accused.”


But surely which justice system in the world gives the onussmile to the accused to provide evidence against themselves. So if the charges were confirmed under the guise that they have a watertight case, how do we go back to evidence collection and investigation when the trial is half way through?


there was no case bwana...all politics. That piece of providing evidence against yourself is indeed hilarious. It's an easy one for any lawyer to argue in court...
i.am.back!!!!
harrydre
#479 Posted : Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:57:50 PM
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mkenyan
#480 Posted : Thursday, September 25, 2014 8:23:50 PM
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washiku wrote:
wanyee wrote:

As for Gaitho ..it is well known which side of his bread toast is buttered and jammed from....so he tends to wear googles...he is part of the "Pentagon Axis"


Really? I find him very sober in his arguments. Maybe its me.

you don't get it? that is wanyee's coloured googles talking.
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