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Githurai protest Chaos: In support for arrested Cop!!??
simonkabz
#21 Posted : Wednesday, September 10, 2014 12:54:36 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
I support this protest!!!

What is wrong with us? The residents say this boy was confirmed as a crook who was in the gang terrorizing citizens. Now I can see those corrupt police eating from the gang want to fry their colleague, yawah!!


You are one very confused guy. The other day you were rattling the loudest against extra-judicial killings, what changed?

Applause Applause Applause very confused!

But for him it depends on who is being killed

Their tribe and religion


Exactly!
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Robinhood
#22 Posted : Wednesday, September 10, 2014 1:58:52 PM
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simonkabz wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
I support this protest!!!

What is wrong with us? The residents say this boy was confirmed as a crook who was in the gang terrorizing citizens. Now I can see those corrupt police eating from the gang want to fry their colleague, yawah!!


You are one very confused guy. The other day you were rattling the loudest against extra-judicial killings, what changed?

Applause Applause Applause very confused!

But for him it depends on who is being killed

Their tribe and religion


Exactly!


Had the dead guy been a Muslim - we would be having threats of jihad all over, and hearing how Kenyan police are hopeless blah blah blah...
Great men are not always wise, neither do the aged understand judgement...
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#23 Posted : Wednesday, September 10, 2014 2:16:26 PM
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simonkabz wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
I support this protest!!!

What is wrong with us? The residents say this boy was confirmed as a crook who was in the gang terrorizing citizens. Now I can see those corrupt police eating from the gang want to fry their colleague, yawah!!


You are one very confused guy. The other day you were rattling the loudest against extra-judicial killings, what changed?

Shame on you Double standards.
Ngong
#24 Posted : Wednesday, September 10, 2014 2:24:35 PM
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The matter before court is that of murder and in particular of a witness,that is the second brother,there is no doubt he killed,why he killed is what will fry him,criminals according to law are not supposed to be killed but arrested to face the same law,just as he had done to arrest the second victim before killing him later.
Trying a robert shaw with the new constitution you are fried!
masukuma
#25 Posted : Wednesday, September 10, 2014 2:37:21 PM
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Ngong wrote:
The matter before court is that of murder and in particular of a witness,that is the second brother,there is no doubt he killed,why he killed is what will fry him,criminals according to law are not supposed to be killed but arrested to face the same law,just as he had done to arrest the second victim before killing him later.
Trying a robert shaw with the new constitution you are fried!

that is the ideal....the by the book manner we ought to live. however, the fact of the matter is.. KENYA WILL BE MORE INSECURE WHEN THIS GUY IS IN JAIL... Criminals all over are happy. Because when criminals come to your door.... these ideals will not be there for you.
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masukuma
#26 Posted : Wednesday, September 10, 2014 2:55:00 PM
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This whole debate Kinda reminds me of an episode of Boston legal (season 3 ep 11) where a doctor was sued for euthanising five patients during Hurricane Katrina

from 31:25 - 36:20
( https://www.youtube.com/...P5KjTuY9Qw&t=31m20s )
Quote:

DA: This isn’t a complicated case. The defendant lethally injected five people, causing their deaths. Might they have died anyway. Maybe. So what? That doesn’t give this doctor the right to take the law and, more importantly, their lives into her hands. Physician-assisted suicide isn’t even lawful in this state. To kill a patient without his consent—do I really need to stand here and argue the illegality of that? And even should you be inclined to engage in the moral debate defense counsel would like you to, you have to apply the law as it stands today. And, as it stands today, when you knowingly, intentionally cause the death of another human being—that’s murder. No matter how bad things get, this is still the United States of America, not some third world nation, and we don’t permit people to kill other people. If we forgive that kind of lawlessness, if we tolerate that kind of anarchy, we cease being the United States of America.
Alan Shore: I read an article in “The New York Times Magazine” not too long ago. It was about how the elephants int Africa are going mad—raping rhinoceroses, killing people, attacking one another, stampeding without provocation. These intelligent, sensitive giants have become very, very disturbed. The cause, they believe, is overwhelming, unrelenting trauma—stress. Be it poachers shooting at them and their families, or land development squeezing and destroying their habitats—profound and irreversible changes to everything they know about their world, everything about what it means to be an elephant. And it’s driving them mad. Elephants aren’t being elephants anymore. Up is suddenly down. That’s what New Orleans was like during and in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Up suddenly became down; down was up. This wasn’t the United States of America that week. It wasn’t third world; it was utter chaos. The set of norms and logic that we apply to everyday life were gone, and everything was wrong. A friend of mine told me that when he was finally able to get out the city three days after the hurricane, he drove by a body lying on the sidewalk—right up the road here—a body of a man, partially clothed, being eaten by an alligator. And my friend wasn’t shocked. He wasn’t even surprised. He was just fleeing. This was not the United States of America, nor any place else for that matter. During that horrendous week, the United States of America was nowhere to be found. My client, Dr. Follette, was to be found. She was there. When the storm hit and the devastating effects started to become clear, and then dire, and then desperate, she stayed. Even when so many others around her were leaving, she stayed with those five patients, each facing an inevitable and imminent, and excruciating death surrounded by pain and suffering and degradation unfathomable to those of us who were not there. She stayed and helped and cared and watched as those five patients slipped quietly into the good night. In a setting that was punishing, cruel, and unusual, her actions were humane. Like those elephants in Africa, so many people during that terrible time of chaos and desperation seemed to lose . . . themselves. Seemed to lose their innate sense of humanity. Dr. Follette never did. She never did.


(I had to dig deep into the internet to remember it was Boston Legal... you have no ideal how much this work was )
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Mtu Biz
#27 Posted : Wednesday, September 10, 2014 2:59:20 PM
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simonkabz wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
I support this protest!!!

What is wrong with us? The residents say this boy was confirmed as a crook who was in the gang terrorizing citizens. Now I can see those corrupt police eating from the gang want to fry their colleague, yawah!!


You are one very confused guy. The other day you were rattling the loudest against extra-judicial killings, what changed?

Applause Applause Applause very confused!

But for him it depends on who is being killed

Their tribe and religion


Exactly!


Alphdoti hapa naona umepatikana. Jitokeze utubu.

Ama we wait for the red blue and green paragraphs ?
Sola Scriptura


AlphDoti
#28 Posted : Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:20:45 PM
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Robinhood wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
I support this protest!!!

What is wrong with us? The residents say this boy was confirmed as a crook who was in the gang terrorizing citizens. Now I can see those corrupt police eating from the gang want to fry their colleague, yawah!!

You are one very confused guy. The other day you were rattling the loudest against extra-judicial killings, what changed?

Applause Applause Applause very confused!

But for him it depends on who is being killed

Their tribe and religion

Exactly!

Had the dead guy been a Muslim - we would be having threats of jihad all over, and hearing how Kenyan police are hopeless blah blah blah...

Waa wa waa! Yanni i just say something about the people demonstrating and Wazuans go baserk!

Okay I'm sorry, I apologize for my comments, which sounded like I support extra-judicial killing by the police.

Let me explain. I think what I know and what I have been informed by some of the residence made my mind say the police should be released. Because I have been told by many who knew this boy and the gang that these boys have actually been terrorizing them. They say they knew the boy very well and his criminal activities. So many say the police guy did them a big favour.

So I apologize for supporting the people of Githurai. We have the law for any crime. And the law should be followed.
AlphDoti
#29 Posted : Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:26:33 PM
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Mtu Biz wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
I support this protest!!!

What is wrong with us? The residents say this boy was confirmed as a crook who was in the gang terrorizing citizens. Now I can see those corrupt police eating from the gang want to fry their colleague, yawah!!

You are one very confused guy. The other day you were rattling the loudest against extra-judicial killings, what changed?

Applause Applause Applause very confused!

But for him it depends on who is being killed

Their tribe and religion

Exactly!

Alphdoti hapa naona umepatikana. Jitokeze utubu.

Ama we wait for the red blue and green paragraphs ?

So this time I'm with the people, now I become mwenye dhambi! Sawa nime tubu. It was based on what the citizens said they are sure of the matter. This is not mere suspicion. This is not people saying I heard. This is not mysterious person... This is what the people of Githurai know.

So, I felt for them because I have also been victim of such boys. And if I met any of them, I would recognize. You get it?

Anyhow, I should have control of my nafsi, be patient for the rule of law. I apologize.
jaggernaut
#30 Posted : Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:41:54 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
Mtu Biz wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
I support this protest!!!

What is wrong with us? The residents say this boy was confirmed as a crook who was in the gang terrorizing citizens. Now I can see those corrupt police eating from the gang want to fry their colleague, yawah!!

You are one very confused guy. The other day you were rattling the loudest against extra-judicial killings, what changed?

Applause Applause Applause very confused!

But for him it depends on who is being killed

Their tribe and religion

Exactly!

Alphdoti hapa naona umepatikana. Jitokeze utubu.

Ama we wait for the red blue and green paragraphs ?

So this time I'm with the people, now I become mwenye dhambi! Sawa nime tubu. It was based on what the citizens said they are sure of the matter. This is not mere suspicion. This is not people saying I heard. This is not mysterious person... This is what the people of Githurai know.

So, I felt for them because I have also been victim of such boys. And if I met any of them, I would recognize. You get it?

Anyhow, I should have control of my nafsi, be patient for the rule of law. I apologize.


All extra judicial killings should be condemned in equal measure, whether they target crime suspects or terror suspects or preachers suspected of radicalising the youth. Suspects should be put through the judicial process and if found guilty then punished according to the law.
jaggernaut
#31 Posted : Wednesday, September 10, 2014 4:09:37 PM
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One day you could be carjacked and the thugs sandwich you on the back seat, then the trigger happy cops open fire on the "most wanted criminals" and then it would be too late to tell your story.
AlphDoti
#32 Posted : Wednesday, September 10, 2014 4:17:20 PM
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jaggernaut wrote:
One day you could be carjacked and the thugs sandwich you on the back seat, then the trigger happy cops open fire on the "most wanted criminals" and then it would be too late to tell your story.

I agree with you @jagger Sad
tycho
#33 Posted : Wednesday, September 10, 2014 4:26:16 PM
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There's no safety in numbers.
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#34 Posted : Wednesday, September 10, 2014 4:33:47 PM
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Very complicated story. My suspicions arise where the brother who was a witness is killed immediately after the DPP orders the cops arrest...
callaspade
#35 Posted : Wednesday, September 10, 2014 4:34:29 PM
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Ngong wrote:
The matter before court is that of murder and in particular of a witness,that is the second brother,there is no doubt he killed,why he killed is what will fry him,criminals according to law are not supposed to be killed but arrested to face the same law,just as he had done to arrest the second victim before killing him later.
Trying a robert shaw with the new constitution you are fried!




...is there another witness to testify?

...this cop should be released pronto and promoted.

...when residents come live on tv claiming you are a thief,there is no doubt you are one ,the dpp cant see this,just reacting to "pressure".

...as it stands now, the law to be followed is the thugs shoot/or own guns,they should be shot dead,simple......call it what you want but thats the only language the thugs understand
Muriel
#36 Posted : Wednesday, September 10, 2014 4:45:02 PM
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tycho wrote:
There's no safety in numbers.


Where is it then?
mkenyan
#37 Posted : Wednesday, September 10, 2014 4:45:15 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
This is an easy case. The public is usually anti -police so I think the liquidated suspects must have been criminals.
The solution lies in tying the loose ends. Some volunteers should fix that.

the script is almost identical all over nairobi. thugs rob, rape and kill. at times in partnership with the police. at times because the police are under-equipped or too afraid to do anything about it. the residents make noise but are on their own. each person handling their damage with acceptance and an occasional word on how the government is failing them. the thugs are however mostly known. but there is never enough evidence to have been convicted. then a cop comes around who just pick up the thugs one by one and murders them. some real thugs are killed. some innocent ones are also killed. but the people are happy as there is at last some semblance of security. this cop, to be honest, shall be the hero to the residents. to those who would have lost their loved ones it would be a different story. to those who would have lost their loved ones who were never guilty to begin with, that is another story.
madollar
#38 Posted : Wednesday, September 10, 2014 4:49:45 PM
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Buster wrote:
Very complicated story. My suspicions arise where the brother who was a witness is killed immediately after the DPP orders the cops arrest...

You are right but why would traders close their wiras for two days and this are businesses that have to make money daily demanding the release of the cop. Only residents of githurai can tell us what is going on
Rahatupu
#39 Posted : Wednesday, September 10, 2014 5:17:59 PM
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callaspade wrote:
Ngong wrote:
The matter before court is that of murder and in particular of a witness,that is the second brother,there is no doubt he killed,why he killed is what will fry him,criminals according to law are not supposed to be killed but arrested to face the same law,just as he had done to arrest the second victim before killing him later.
Trying a robert shaw with the new constitution you are fried!




...is there another witness to testify?

...this cop should be released pronto and promoted.

...when residents come live on tv claiming you are a thief,there is no doubt you are one ,the dpp cant see this,just reacting to "pressure".

...as it stands now, the law to be followed is the thugs shoot/or own guns,they should be shot dead,simple......call it what you want but thats the only language the thugs understand
.

@Callaspade, well said: We live in a country called Kusadikika, where the fight against crime is won the softest tactics - "rights of the criminals" and the "rule of law".

Watch out for increase in insecurity and crime orchestrated by the boys in your hood. Wait till they come for you or your own brother, sister, father, mother, child or even worse you.
Rahatupu
#40 Posted : Wednesday, September 10, 2014 5:23:30 PM
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jaggernaut wrote:
One day you could be carjacked and the thugs sandwich you on the back seat, then the trigger happy cops open fire on the "most wanted criminals" and then it would be too late to tell your story.


@jaggernut, so would you rather die in the hands of the carjackers and the police do nothing faced with the gun totting thugs? eh? Bundiki sio kijiko boss
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