@muriel even you don't know that there is no original Torah anymore?

But yes, we implement the Torah as it is supposed to be. I like the use of the word supposed, because it is no longer like that. You only have "kumbu-kumbu Ya Taurati"... just "remainder"

So what we should be having is Torah according to prophet Moses (peace be upon him). Even your Christian Scholars say, the Torah, the Gospel you see in the Bible today has been written by human beings (please don't misunderstand me, I know all scripture is written by men. But I mean source is not from God, not inspired). So we cannot attribute the complete Bible as the Word of God.

But since every subsequent messenger made reference to, spoke about, commented on, pointed out and call attention to to previous scripture, we realized that when prophet Muhammad (pbuh) came, he made reference to Torah and Zabur and Injeel. So we know about what was in original Torah by reading the Quran.

To answer my question about what you think of "atonement" and "forgiven" you start saying there is no original torah ,,,,, so what do you think of "atonement" and "forgiven"?

Why are you not answering this question? Even an "I don't know." is an answer, is it not?

No, no, not too fast @muriel.

You see, this is the reality. Some parts of the Bible is the word of God. But the whole Bible is not the word of God. The Torah was the revelation which was given to Moses (peace be upon him). But unfortunately, this was corrupted, stories added, subtracted... and split into 5 books of the Old Testament. Then the original scrolls were burnt (read about the Nicea Creed, and Contanstine the Great).

Also the Injeel was the revelation which was given to Jesus Christ (peace be upon him). But that message was meant for that time and for those people, the Israelites. Unfortunately also, the Injeel was not preserved!

Where is the Injeel according to Jesus (pbuh)?

So if you investigate you will find who is the author of the current Gospel. The scholars of the Bible say various authors of each book. The Bible is derived from the Greek word Biblos. This means collection of books.

The present Bible according to scholars, is a mixture, it has:
- in some places the Word of God, which is the reminiscence (remainder) of the Torah or Injeel.
- it also contains the words of the prophets
- it also contain the words of the historians
- unfortunately, it even contains pornographic Pray d'oh! Liar

The Bible is a mixture.

So who is the author? Mainly human beings also wrote it (according to Christian scholars).

Yeah.... the usual. Looking for reason to pursue war in the Middle East.

@simon, what am I defending, and what am I disowning?

You're funny

You have spent acres and acres of wazua cyber-space defending and justifying the evil activities of ISIS, and indicated that humans are not Allah's creation and should be killed like dogs, and that International law is a pile of crap....so much so that POWs must be shot dead in the head at poit blank range and the same shown to the world. Children of the disbelievers must be beheaded oh crap.......if not this you defend that other mad woman.

Stop preaching Islam. You two have exposed another side of this fake religion I never knew about. Brothers in Lucifer.

Alphdoti, Alphdoti, Alphdoti,

To help you along, read the following passage with me:



This is part of the original torah, yes, in the Qur'an that mohammed pasted or edited.

What do you think of the phrase "we ransomed him with a great sacrifice"?

What do you think of "atonement" and "forgiven"?

Alphdoti?

How can anyone in their right minds support this kind of savagery?