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Ngalaka wrote:AlphDoti wrote:@guru and myself are Muslims. Total submission to the will of God. We never whorship idols, we nerver worship a man, we follow teachings of Quran, we follow the teachings of authentic Hadiths, we follow authentic teachings of previous scripture (Torah, Zabur and Injeel).
Your assignment: if you find contradiction in what @guru or myself said about the definition of a Muslim, then let me know.
Otherwise, if you want to use the yardstick given to you by the so-called Muslim experts, then it is up to you.
Now if this is going to make you happy then here it from me that recently retired head of the british army, general Richard Danatt said there is an Islamic agenda, moving from South asia to the middle east to north africa, and to the high water mark of the Islamic caliphate! Muslims uniting, their influence growing.
He understands this, he is preparing for it. Unfortunately, he is fighting it. They are all fighting it military or with thoughts or politically or economically, but they are fighting it.
Next, let me disappoint you
Military kingdoms will last among you as long as Allah wishes. And then Allah shall take it away when He wishes.
What is after this military kingdom? What do we expect?
The words of Muhammad (s.a.w), who does not speak in vain, he speaks in revelation. He said, there shall come after that the Khilafa, similar to Abu Bakar and Omar and Ottman ad Ali. The Khilafa accoridng to the teachings of the prophets. Then he kept quiet! We don't know what is after that.
But we know after this rulership, Islam is coming.
So @muriel, @ecstacy, @nandwa... are you happy now?
If you can find any conradiction between me and @guru as far as Quran and authentic Hadiths is concerned, be my guest. I thought the issues being raised are about interpretation. For starters, is ISIS involved in a legitimate interpretations of quran and the hadithis? Do both of you agree in your interpretation over this matter? We both agree in the interpretation of Quran and Hadiths! If you expect both of us to agree in all political affairs, then you're being naive!
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These US hellfire missiles are really hurting IS!! BoF>>>(chant)Takbir!! EoF>> Hellfire missile BOOM!!!Then in heaven (in the mind of the terrorist):[ Declare VirginCount as guru Do While VirginCount < 73 VirginCount = VirginCount + 1 End Land Oh la la ] However, in actual after life:Compile Error 666 'data type guru is not a valid heaven vagina'.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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ecstacy wrote:These US hellfire missiles are really hurting IS!! BoF>>>(chant)Takbir!! EoF>> Hellfire missile BOOM!!!Then in heaven (in the mind of the terrorist):[ Declare VirginCount as guru Do While VirginCount < 73 VirginCount = VirginCount + 1 End Land Oh la la ] However, in actual after life:Compile Error 666 'data type guru is not a valid heaven vagina'. This is uncalled for. Totally contrary and violation of Wazua spirit!  ADMIN IS THIS HOW PEOPLE SHOULD BEHAVE WHEN THEY RUN OUT OF THINGS TO SAY 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2008 Posts: 4,449
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AlphDoti wrote:ecstacy wrote:These US hellfire missiles are really hurting IS!! BoF>>>(chant)Takbir!! EoF>> Hellfire missile BOOM!!!Then in heaven (in the mind of the terrorist):[ Declare VirginCount as guru Do While VirginCount < 73 VirginCount = VirginCount + 1 End Land Oh la la ] However, in actual after life:Compile Error 666 'data type guru is not a valid heaven vagina'. This is uncalled for. Totally contrary and violation of Wazua spirit! ADMIN IS THIS HOW PEOPLE SHOULD BEHAVE WHEN THEY RUN OUT OF THINGS TO SAY Away from madrassa, guns and bombs, grab a book, maybe one day, you will understand, she does.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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AlphDoti wrote:Jus Blazin wrote:I don't like getting into such discussions, but, oh well, I want to indulge in knowledge. @Alphdoti, you follow authentic teachings of Injeel. Sura 5:68 states "Say: "People of the Book, you do not stand on anything, until you perform the Torah and the Gospel [Injil], and what was sent down to you from your Lord..." Meaning the Injeel was for the People of the Book, the Christians, that is. It's clear then that Injeel is the book that Christians should believe in. The Injeel, or Gospel, has not been deemed contradicted. So is it that Muslims have a problem with Paul or what? Coz the basis of Christianity is the Gospel itself, which Muslims believe in as well.
P.S. When you dig deeper, there's thin line between Islam, Judaism and Christianity (Abrahamic religions), hence it's due to HUMAN interpretation that we differ. Our human beliefs, what we think is right or wrong. So if a muslim told me, a christian, that Islam is the true, unadulterated religion, shiver me timbers. Human beliefs. @just blazing you've raised good concerns. I dare you, if you keep this open mind, you'll discover things that will shock you! For example, did you know that God sent many messengers to many nations before? And Jesus (pbuh) was sent ONLY TO ONE particular NATION, a tribe called ISRAEL? He was not sent for Gentiles (Africans, Chinese, Indians, Germans, British etc). Did you know that also people disbelieved in Jesus (pbuh) during his time, telling him he was an imposter, fake and even conspired to kill him? Now what do we see? People now believe him. All prophets were not believed by people, so Muhammad (pbuh) is no different. Just like time of Jesus, government conspires to defame anybody sent by God. Did you know Torah and Injeel prophesized the coming of a Prophet, his name was even mentioned, place of birth mentioned, his progeny was mentioned? How can you deny someone prophesized by Injeel? Yoo hoo! Here! Alphdoti! You and I were discussing the torah, if all that it contains is believed by those (you) who claim to follow it. Or have you forgotten? Can we continue? Or have you chickened out? Kwa kwa kwa kwa (Sorry I could not help that jab, laugh, laugh, laugh)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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AlphDoti wrote:ecstacy wrote:These US hellfire missiles are really hurting IS!! BoF>>>(chant)Takbir!! EoF>> Hellfire missile BOOM!!!Then in heaven (in the mind of the terrorist):[ Declare VirginCount as guru Do While VirginCount < 73 VirginCount = VirginCount + 1 End Land Oh la la ] However, in actual after life:Compile Error 666 'data type guru is not a valid heaven vagina'. This is uncalled for. Totally contrary and violation of Wazua spirit! ADMIN IS THIS HOW PEOPLE SHOULD BEHAVE WHEN THEY RUN OUT OF THINGS TO SAY By the way is this @guru girl a Waria or Arad girl or a Nyeuthi African who is a Muslim convert? #Justasking! Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Jus Blazin wrote:I don't like getting into such discussions, but, oh well, I want to indulge in knowledge. @Alphdoti, you follow authentic teachings of Injeel. Sura 5:68 states "Say: "People of the Book, you do not stand on anything, until you perform the Torah and the Gospel [Injil], and what was sent down to you from your Lord..." Meaning the Injeel was for the People of the Book, the Christians, that is. It's clear then that Injeel is the book that Christians should believe in. The Injeel, or Gospel, has not been deemed contradicted. So is it that Muslims have a problem with Paul or what? Coz the basis of Christianity is the Gospel itself, which Muslims believe in as well.
P.S. When you dig deeper, there's thin line between Islam, Judaism and Christianity (Abrahamic religions), hence it's due to HUMAN interpretation that we differ. Our human beliefs, what we think is right or wrong. So if a muslim told me, a christian, that Islam is the true, unadulterated religion, shiver me timbers. Human beliefs. @just blazing you've raised good concerns. I dare you, if you keep this open mind, you'll discover things that will shock you! For example, did you know that God sent many messengers to many nations before? And Jesus (pbuh) was sent ONLY TO ONE particular NATION, a tribe called ISRAEL? He was not sent for Gentiles (Africans, Chinese, Indians, Germans, British etc). Did you know that also people disbelieved in Jesus (pbuh) during his time, telling him he was an imposter, fake and even conspired to kill him? Now what do we see? People now believe him. All prophets were not believed by people, so Muhammad (pbuh) is no different. Just like time of Jesus, government conspires to defame anybody sent by God. Did you know Torah and Injeel prophesized the coming of a Prophet, his name was even mentioned, place of birth mentioned, his progeny was mentioned? How can you deny someone prophesized by Injeel? Yoo hoo! Here! Alphdoti! You and I were discussing the torah, if all that it contains is believed by those (you) who claim to follow it. Or have you forgotten? Can we continue? Or have you chickened out? Kwa kwa kwa kwa (Sorry I could not help that jab, laugh, laugh, laugh) This was addressed to @JB. You can pursue your own questions separately.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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AlphDoti wrote:
This was addressed to @JB. You can pursue your own questions separately.
Ok. So you, personally and communally implement the torah as it is supposed to be. You do not eat swine, drain all the blood from an animal etc, right?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:
This was addressed to @JB. You can pursue your own questions separately.
Ok. So you, personally and communally implement the torah as it is supposed to be. You do not eat swine, drain all the blood from an animal etc, right? @muriel even you don't know that there is no original Torah anymore? But yes, we implement the Torah as it is supposed to be. I like the use of the word supposed, because it is no longer like that. You only have "kumbu-kumbu Ya Taurati"... just "remainder"  So what we should be having is Torah according to prophet Moses (peace be upon him). Even your Christian Scholars say, the Torah, the Gospel you see in the Bible today has been written by human beings ( please don't misunderstand me, I know all scripture is written by men. But I mean source is not from God, not inspired). So we cannot attribute the complete Bible as the Word of God. But since every subsequent messenger made reference to, spoke about, commented on, pointed out and call attention to to previous scripture, we realized that when prophet Muhammad (pbuh) came, he made reference to Torah and Zabur and Injeel. So we know about what was in original Torah by reading the Quran.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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The Saudi family conceal their Jewish origin The Saudi Dynasty: Where do they come from and who is their real ancestor? The story kingship is not in our Islamic religion. It is not in the Qur'an, because it is an imposed authority of one person and his family members. It is meant to suppress the people, silence voice "of opposition". kings have been denounced in the Qur'an in this verse: " Kings, when they enter a country, despoil it, and make the noblest of its people the meanest. Thus do they behave." (Quran 27-34) This Saudi family know very well that the Muslims all over the world have now known their real Jewish origin. And Muslims have now known their bloody past. NOTE: search for Qaynuqa tribe.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:
This was addressed to @JB. You can pursue your own questions separately.
Ok. So you, personally and communally implement the torah as it is supposed to be. You do not eat swine, drain all the blood from an animal etc, right? @muriel even you don't know that there is no original Torah anymore? But yes, we implement the Torah as it is supposed to be. I like the use of the word supposed, because it is no longer like that. You only have "kumbu-kumbu Ya Taurati"... just "remainder" So what we should be having is Torah according to prophet Moses (peace be upon him). Even your Christian Scholars say, the Torah, the Gospel you see in the Bible today has been written by human beings ( please don't misunderstand me, I know all scripture is written by men. But I mean source is not from God, not inspired). So we cannot attribute the complete Bible as the Word of God. But since every subsequent messenger made reference to, spoke about, commented on, pointed out and call attention to to previous scripture, we realized that when prophet Muhammad (pbuh) came, he made reference to Torah and Zabur and Injeel. So we know about what was in original Torah by reading the Quran. To answer my question about what you think of "atonement" and "forgiven" you start saying there is no original torah ,,,,, so what do you think of "atonement" and "forgiven"? Why are you not answering this question? Even an "I don't know." is an answer, is it not?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Alphdoti,
I could not hold back ,,,,,
So there is no original Torah.
Therefore to supply this lack of torah you and your mohammed wrote, fabricated, conjured, manufactured, edited, copy-pasted a document from which you know what was in the "original torah". Ingenious!
"when prophet Muhammad (pbuh) came, he made reference to Torah and Zabur and Injeel" >>>> Is this not you have been told over and over again, that mohammed created a religion that desperate people bought into?
You should just say that you do not believe such words exist. And therefore you do not believe the torah (which has them) - instead you believe your koran (which does not have them). Pang'anga ya nini?
My point is, don't say you follow the torah - for you don't. Say you follow the koran which has snippets of text copy-pasted from the torah.
You can also say that perhaps Paul also corrupted the "original torah".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Muriel wrote:Alphdoti,
I could not hold back ,,,,,
So there is no original Torah.
Therefore to supply this lack of torah you and your mohammed wrote, fabricated, conjured, manufactured, edited, copy-pasted a document from which you know what was in the "original torah". Ingenious!
"when prophet Muhammad (pbuh) came, he made reference to Torah and Zabur and Injeel" >>>> Is this not you have been told over and over again, that mohammed created a religion that desperate people bought into?
You should just say that you do not believe such words exist. And therefore you do not believe the torah (which has them) - instead you believe your koran (which does not have them). Pang'anga ya nini?
My point is, don't say you follow the torah - for you don't. Say you follow the koran which has snippets of text copy-pasted from the torah.
You can also say that perhaps Paul also corrupted the "original torah". No, no, not too fast @muriel. You see, this is the reality. Some parts of the Bible is the word of God. But the whole Bible is not the word of God. The Torah was the revelation which was given to Moses (peace be upon him). But unfortunately, this was corrupted, stories added, subtracted... and split into 5 books of the Old Testament. Then the original scrolls were burnt (read about the Nicea Creed, and Contanstine the Great). Also the Injeel was the revelation which was given to Jesus Christ (peace be upon him). But that message was meant for that time and for those people, the Israelites. Unfortunately also, the Injeel was not preserved! Where is the Injeel according to Jesus (pbuh)?So if you investigate you will find who is the author of the current Gospel. The scholars of the Bible say various authors of each book. The Bible is derived from the Greek word Biblos. This means collection of books. The present Bible according to scholars, is a mixture, it has: - in some places the Word of God, which is the reminiscence (remainder) of the Torah or Injeel. - it also contains the words of the prophets - it also contain the words of the historians - unfortunately, it even contains pornographic Pray d'oh! Liar The Bible is a mixture.So who is the author? Mainly human beings also wrote it (according to Christian scholars).
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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You are unable to answer hard questions and resort to deflecting. This is the same shit you were defending, now you disown it! Funny people! TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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simonkabz wrote:You are unable to answer hard questions and resort to deflecting. This is the same shit you were defending, now you disown it! Funny people! @simon, what am I defending, and what am I disowning?  You're funny
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AlphDoti wrote:simonkabz wrote:You are unable to answer hard questions and resort to deflecting. This is the same shit you were defending, now you disown it! Funny people! @simon, what am I defending, and what am I disowning? You're funny @Alphadoti, according to you, was: 1. James beheaded or not? Yes/No. If Yes, by who? 2. Sotlof beheaded or not? Yes/No. If Yes, by who?
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