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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Quote:“This is a completely fabricated enemy,” he said in a phone interview with Press TV from Anaheim, California on Thursday.
“The funding is completely from the United States and its allies and for people to think that this enemy is something that needs to be attacked in Syria or Iraq is a farce because obviously this is something that we create it, we control and only now it has become inconvenient for us to attack this group as a legitimate enemy,” Kelley added. http://www.presstv.ir/de...fabricated-enemy-by-us/
Quote:ISIS: US-made Monster Running Amok in Middle East. 90 Percent of US Backed Syrian Rebels(FSA, Al-Nusra Front, Islamic Front) have defected to ISIS and are part of ISIS so US still supports ISIS though denying it publicly. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Quote:This story makes more sense if we start in the middle, so we'll begin with the overthrow of Muammar Gaddafi in 2011.
The Libyan revolution was Obama's first major foreign intervention. It was portrayed as an extension of the Arab Spring, and NATO involvement was framed in humanitarian terms.
The fact that the CIA was actively working to help the Libyan rebels topple Gaddafi was no secret, nor were the airstrikes that Obama ordered against the Libyan government. However, little was said about the identity or the ideological leanings of these Libyan rebels. Not surprising, considering the fact that the leader of the Libyan rebels later admitted that his fighters included Al-Qaeda linked jihadists who fought against allied troops in Iraq. Quote:Prior to the U.S. and NATO backed intervention, Libya had the highest standard of living of any country in Africa. This according to the U.N.'s Human Development Index rankings for 2010. However in the years following the coup, the country descended into chaos, with extremism and violence running rampant. Libya is now widely regarded as failed state (of course those who were naive enough to buy into the propaganda leading up to the war get defensive when this is said).
Now after Gaddafi was overthrown, the Libyan armories were looted, and massive quantities of weapons were sent by the Libyan rebels to Syria. The weapons, which included anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles were smuggled into Syria through Turkey, a NATO ally. The times of London reported on the arrival of the shipment on September 14th, 2012. (Secondary confirmation in this NYT article) This was just three days after Ambassador Chris Stevens was killed by the attack on the U.S. embassy in Benghazi. Chris Stevens had served as the U.S. government's liaison to the Libyan rebels since April of 2011. Quote:While a great deal media attention has focused on the fact that the State Department did not provide adequate security at the consulate, and was slow to send assistance when the attack started, Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh released an article in April of 2014 which exposed a classified agreement between the CIA, Turkey and the Syrian rebels to create what was referred to as a "rat line". The "rat line" was covert network used to channel weapons and ammunition from Libya, through southern turkey and across the Syrian border. Funding was provided by Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Quote:In that context, the sarin gas attacks of 2013 which turned out to have been committed by the Syrian rebels, makes a lot more sense doesn't it? If it wasn't enough that U.N. investigators, Russian investigators, and Pulitzer prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh all pinned that crime on Washington's proxies, the rebels themselves threatened the West that they would expose what really happened if they were not given more advanced weaponry within one month. Quote:By the way, this also explains why Washington then decided to target Russia next.
This threat was made on June 10th, 2013. In what can only be described as an amazing coincidence, just nine days later, the rebels received their first official shipment of heavy weapons in Aleppo. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Quote:"They trained us to ambush regime or enemy vehicles and cut off the road,” said the fighter, who is identified only as "Hussein." "They also trained us on how to attack a vehicle, raid it, retrieve information or weapons and munitions, and how to finish off soldiers still alive after an ambush." Quote:One month after this report, in June of 2014, ISIS made its dramatic entry, crossing over the Syrian border into Iraq, capturing Mosul, Baiji and almost reaching Baghdad. The internet was suddenly flooded with footage of drive by shootings, large scale death marches, and mass graves. And of course any Iraqi soldier that was captured was executed. Quote:U.S. military doctrine clearly calls for the destruction of military equipment and supplies when friendly forces cannot prevent them from falling into enemy hands, but that didn't happen here. ISIS was allowed to carry this equipment out of Iraq and into Syria unimpeded. The U.S. military had the means to strike these convoys, but they didn't lift a finger, even though they had been launching drone strikes in Pakistan that same week.
Why would they do that? CALIPHATE CALIPHATE CALIPHATE CALIPHATE CALIPHATE CALIPHATE CALIPHATE CALIPHATE CALIPHATE CALIPHATE CALIPHATE CALIPHATE CALIPHATE CALIPHATE CALIPHATE CALIPHATE CALIPHATE CALIPHATE CALIPHATE CALIPHATE Kumbe it was just a misinformed self gratification  It was just a fart! TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Quote:Cuba’s former president Fidel Castro compared NATO’s recent statements to that of Nazi SS and accused US and its allies of igniting conflicts abroad. Castro slammed John McCain for backing Israel and accused both of being involved in the creation of ISIS. Quote:He accused McCain of supporting Israel’s Mossad intelligence agency as well as participating “together with that service in the creation of the Islamic State, which today controls a considerable and vital portion of Iraq and reportedly one-third of Syria as well.” http://rt.com/news/18434...stro-compares-nato-nazi/TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Jus Blazin wrote:I don't like getting into such discussions, but, oh well, I want to indulge in knowledge. @Alphdoti, you follow authentic teachings of Injeel. Sura 5:68 states "Say: "People of the Book, you do not stand on anything, until you perform the Torah and the Gospel [Injil], and what was sent down to you from your Lord..." Meaning the Injeel was for the People of the Book, the Christians, that is. It's clear then that Injeel is the book that Christians should believe in. The Injeel, or Gospel, has not been deemed contradicted. So is it that Muslims have a problem with Paul or what? Coz the basis of Christianity is the Gospel itself, which Muslims believe in as well.
P.S. When you dig deeper, there's thin line between Islam, Judaism and Christianity (Abrahamic religions), hence it's due to HUMAN interpretation that we differ. Our human beliefs, what we think is right or wrong. So if a muslim told me, a christian, that Islam is the true, unadulterated religion, shiver me timbers. Human beliefs. @just blazing you've raised good concerns. I dare you, if you keep this open mind, you'll discover things that will shock you! For example, did you know that God sent many messengers to many nations before? And Jesus (pbuh) was sent ONLY TO ONE particular NATION, a tribe called ISRAEL? He was not sent for Gentiles (Africans, Chinese, Indians, Germans, British etc). Did you know that also people disbelieved in Jesus (pbuh) during his time, telling him he was an imposter, fake and even conspired to kill him? Now what do we see? People now believe him. All prophets were not believed by people, so Muhammad (pbuh) is no different. Just like time of Jesus, government conspires to defame anybody sent by God. Did you know Torah and Injeel prophesized the coming of a Prophet, his name was even mentioned, place of birth mentioned, his progeny was mentioned? How can you deny someone prophesized by Injeel?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Ngalaka wrote:AlphDoti wrote:@guru and myself are Muslims. Total submission to the will of God. We never whorship idols, we nerver worship a man, we follow teachings of Quran, we follow the teachings of authentic Hadiths, we follow authentic teachings of previous scripture (Torah, Zabur and Injeel).
Your assignment: if you find contradiction in what @guru or myself said about the definition of a Muslim, then let me know.
Otherwise, if you want to use the yardstick given to you by the so-called Muslim experts, then it is up to you.
Now if this is going to make you happy then here it from me that recently retired head of the british army, general Richard Danatt said there is an Islamic agenda, moving from South asia to the middle east to north africa, and to the high water mark of the Islamic caliphate! Muslims uniting, their influence growing.
He understands this, he is preparing for it. Unfortunately, he is fighting it. They are all fighting it military or with thoughts or politically or economically, but they are fighting it.
Next, let me disappoint you
Military kingdoms will last among you as long as Allah wishes. And then Allah shall take it away when He wishes.
What is after this military kingdom? What do we expect?
The words of Muhammad (s.a.w), who does not speak in vain, he speaks in revelation. He said, there shall come after that the Khilafa, similar to Abu Bakar and Omar and Ottman ad Ali. The Khilafa accoridng to the teachings of the prophets. Then he kept quiet! We don't know what is after that.
But we know after this rulership, Islam is coming.
So @muriel, @ecstacy, @nandwa... are you happy now?
If you can find any conradiction between me and @guru as far as Quran and authentic Hadiths is concerned, be my guest. I thought the issues being raised are about interpretation. For starters, is ISIS involved in a legitimate interpretations of quran and the hadithis? Do both of you agree in your interpretation over this matter? We both agree in the interpretation of Quran and Hadiths! If you expect both of us to agree in all political affairs, then you're being naive!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2008 Posts: 4,449
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These US hellfire missiles are really hurting IS!! BoF>>>(chant)Takbir!! EoF>> Hellfire missile BOOM!!!Then in heaven (in the mind of the terrorist):[ Declare VirginCount as guru Do While VirginCount < 73 VirginCount = VirginCount + 1 End Land Oh la la ] However, in actual after life:Compile Error 666 'data type guru is not a valid heaven vagina'.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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ecstacy wrote:These US hellfire missiles are really hurting IS!! BoF>>>(chant)Takbir!! EoF>> Hellfire missile BOOM!!!Then in heaven (in the mind of the terrorist):[ Declare VirginCount as guru Do While VirginCount < 73 VirginCount = VirginCount + 1 End Land Oh la la ] However, in actual after life:Compile Error 666 'data type guru is not a valid heaven vagina'. This is uncalled for. Totally contrary and violation of Wazua spirit!  ADMIN IS THIS HOW PEOPLE SHOULD BEHAVE WHEN THEY RUN OUT OF THINGS TO SAY 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2008 Posts: 4,449
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AlphDoti wrote:ecstacy wrote:These US hellfire missiles are really hurting IS!! BoF>>>(chant)Takbir!! EoF>> Hellfire missile BOOM!!!Then in heaven (in the mind of the terrorist):[ Declare VirginCount as guru Do While VirginCount < 73 VirginCount = VirginCount + 1 End Land Oh la la ] However, in actual after life:Compile Error 666 'data type guru is not a valid heaven vagina'. This is uncalled for. Totally contrary and violation of Wazua spirit! ADMIN IS THIS HOW PEOPLE SHOULD BEHAVE WHEN THEY RUN OUT OF THINGS TO SAY Away from madrassa, guns and bombs, grab a book, maybe one day, you will understand, she does.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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AlphDoti wrote:Jus Blazin wrote:I don't like getting into such discussions, but, oh well, I want to indulge in knowledge. @Alphdoti, you follow authentic teachings of Injeel. Sura 5:68 states "Say: "People of the Book, you do not stand on anything, until you perform the Torah and the Gospel [Injil], and what was sent down to you from your Lord..." Meaning the Injeel was for the People of the Book, the Christians, that is. It's clear then that Injeel is the book that Christians should believe in. The Injeel, or Gospel, has not been deemed contradicted. So is it that Muslims have a problem with Paul or what? Coz the basis of Christianity is the Gospel itself, which Muslims believe in as well.
P.S. When you dig deeper, there's thin line between Islam, Judaism and Christianity (Abrahamic religions), hence it's due to HUMAN interpretation that we differ. Our human beliefs, what we think is right or wrong. So if a muslim told me, a christian, that Islam is the true, unadulterated religion, shiver me timbers. Human beliefs. @just blazing you've raised good concerns. I dare you, if you keep this open mind, you'll discover things that will shock you! For example, did you know that God sent many messengers to many nations before? And Jesus (pbuh) was sent ONLY TO ONE particular NATION, a tribe called ISRAEL? He was not sent for Gentiles (Africans, Chinese, Indians, Germans, British etc). Did you know that also people disbelieved in Jesus (pbuh) during his time, telling him he was an imposter, fake and even conspired to kill him? Now what do we see? People now believe him. All prophets were not believed by people, so Muhammad (pbuh) is no different. Just like time of Jesus, government conspires to defame anybody sent by God. Did you know Torah and Injeel prophesized the coming of a Prophet, his name was even mentioned, place of birth mentioned, his progeny was mentioned? How can you deny someone prophesized by Injeel? Yoo hoo! Here! Alphdoti! You and I were discussing the torah, if all that it contains is believed by those (you) who claim to follow it. Or have you forgotten? Can we continue? Or have you chickened out? Kwa kwa kwa kwa (Sorry I could not help that jab, laugh, laugh, laugh)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,331 Location: Masada
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AlphDoti wrote:ecstacy wrote:These US hellfire missiles are really hurting IS!! BoF>>>(chant)Takbir!! EoF>> Hellfire missile BOOM!!!Then in heaven (in the mind of the terrorist):[ Declare VirginCount as guru Do While VirginCount < 73 VirginCount = VirginCount + 1 End Land Oh la la ] However, in actual after life:Compile Error 666 'data type guru is not a valid heaven vagina'. This is uncalled for. Totally contrary and violation of Wazua spirit! ADMIN IS THIS HOW PEOPLE SHOULD BEHAVE WHEN THEY RUN OUT OF THINGS TO SAY By the way is this @guru girl a Waria or Arad girl or a Nyeuthi African who is a Muslim convert? #Justasking! Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Jus Blazin wrote:I don't like getting into such discussions, but, oh well, I want to indulge in knowledge. @Alphdoti, you follow authentic teachings of Injeel. Sura 5:68 states "Say: "People of the Book, you do not stand on anything, until you perform the Torah and the Gospel [Injil], and what was sent down to you from your Lord..." Meaning the Injeel was for the People of the Book, the Christians, that is. It's clear then that Injeel is the book that Christians should believe in. The Injeel, or Gospel, has not been deemed contradicted. So is it that Muslims have a problem with Paul or what? Coz the basis of Christianity is the Gospel itself, which Muslims believe in as well.
P.S. When you dig deeper, there's thin line between Islam, Judaism and Christianity (Abrahamic religions), hence it's due to HUMAN interpretation that we differ. Our human beliefs, what we think is right or wrong. So if a muslim told me, a christian, that Islam is the true, unadulterated religion, shiver me timbers. Human beliefs. @just blazing you've raised good concerns. I dare you, if you keep this open mind, you'll discover things that will shock you! For example, did you know that God sent many messengers to many nations before? And Jesus (pbuh) was sent ONLY TO ONE particular NATION, a tribe called ISRAEL? He was not sent for Gentiles (Africans, Chinese, Indians, Germans, British etc). Did you know that also people disbelieved in Jesus (pbuh) during his time, telling him he was an imposter, fake and even conspired to kill him? Now what do we see? People now believe him. All prophets were not believed by people, so Muhammad (pbuh) is no different. Just like time of Jesus, government conspires to defame anybody sent by God. Did you know Torah and Injeel prophesized the coming of a Prophet, his name was even mentioned, place of birth mentioned, his progeny was mentioned? How can you deny someone prophesized by Injeel? Yoo hoo! Here! Alphdoti! You and I were discussing the torah, if all that it contains is believed by those (you) who claim to follow it. Or have you forgotten? Can we continue? Or have you chickened out? Kwa kwa kwa kwa (Sorry I could not help that jab, laugh, laugh, laugh) This was addressed to @JB. You can pursue your own questions separately.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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AlphDoti wrote:
This was addressed to @JB. You can pursue your own questions separately.
Ok. So you, personally and communally implement the torah as it is supposed to be. You do not eat swine, drain all the blood from an animal etc, right?
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