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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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AlphDoti wrote:
@muriel God became man, what do you mean?
1. God became man. I know what is God and I know what is man. I can imagine what was God, then turned into a man and no God anymore. He used to be God. Now he is a man. That one is easy to understand
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2. "GOD BECAME MAN, BUT HE IS STILL GOD!" according to what the Church teaches. This causes a problem. For example if you have round ball of clay, you squeeze it and make it into a cube. Then we can say the ball became a cube. But the church tells, the clay it is still round!
I mean, what do you make of ' atonement' and ' forgiven' terminologies in the scope and context of mohammed teachings given that he came to restore these original Yaweh teachings? These terminologies are part these teachings mohammed came to restore. Like he restored the not eating of swine.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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AlphDoti wrote:
So you want a reply in Old Testament?
"The soul that sinneth, it shall die" Ezekiel 18.
That is a simple reply to your atonement idea.
Yes, keep it simple. About Ezekiel 18:20-21 You are trying to make bible contradict itself aren't you? You are cute! Thanks for giving me more ammo to flay you with mercilessly. Yes, the soul that sinneth it shall die, "yet if he ' will turn from all his sins' that he has committed and keep all my statues and do that which is lawful and right he shall surely live and not die.". What do you make from the phrase ' turn from all his sins'? Oh, check out verse 23 for more drama. What does the phrases ' atonement' & ' forgiven' and now the new one you have added ' turn from his sins' mean to you, Alphdoti? Kwanza that one of Ezekiel ,,,, ungejua ungeyamaza kimya kabisa kama Guru. I want to know from you in your own words your stance and how you relate to these terminologies: 1. 'atonement' 2. 'forgiven' 3. 'turn from his sins' given that they are part of the teachings mohammed came to restore. You must keep mohammed and islam in view when you talk back, Alphdoti.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 1,049
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The duo who pass themselves off as the foremost defenders of Islam, always attempting to sanitise deeds that are clearly evil are truly a study in contradiction - respectably. @ apha and @guru cant even agree on the correct teachings of their faith! Each of them seems to practice a brand of Islam that is different from that of the other. I mean its clear, their individual ideals and interpretations of the faiths teachings are worlds apart. While one believes that ISIS is the in thing, and is carrying out their prophets teachings + prophesy, the other calls them albeit hesitantly,hijackers of Islam who are engaged in political, selfish and evil acts that go counter to Islam. One is vocal, forthright, and unashamed to state their position in a most clear and straight manner, while the other prefers verbosity, going round in endless circles, and is reluctant/cagey to state their position on such issues as ISIS, Alqaida, Ashabab etc. Who of the two is practicing the true Islam! They both cant be right. One must be an apostate. Ni yupi! Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Nandwa wrote:The duo who pass themselves off as the foremost defenders of Islam, always attempting to sanitise deeds that are clearly evil are truly a study in contradiction - respectably. @ apha and @guru cant even agree on the correct teachings of their faith!
Each of them seems to practice a brand of Islam that is different from that of the other. I mean its clear, their individual ideals and interpretations of the faiths teachings are worlds apart.
While one believes that ISIS is the in thing, and is carrying out their prophets teachings + prophesy, the other calls them albeit hesitantly,hijackers of Islam who are engaged in political, selfish and evil acts that go counter to Islam.
One is vocal, forthright, and unashamed to state their position in a most clear and straight manner, while the other prefers verbosity, going round in endless circles, and is reluctant/cagey to state their position on such issues as ISIS, Alqaida, Ashabab etc.
Who of the two is practicing the true Islam!
They both cant be right.
One must be an apostate.
Ni yupi! @Nandwa are you writing this from your dream?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Kwa maoni yangu, I think Alphdoti is the apostate. My profile of him is thus;
He does not have that fire Guru has. That enthusiasm of Guru.
He is not sure about some things and his words purposely are many to increase the probability he will strike a resonant cord, any cord that can and may resonate with his readers. But he is not dumb because he can think and identify the inconsistencies and the illogical stuff in Islam - if only they are pointed out to him like so.
He can link cause and effect and make an attempt to reconcile effect to the cause, rather than cause to the effect.
There yet just might be hope for Alphdoti, hopefully before Guru gets his head first.
As for Guru ,,,, yake iliyobakia sasa ni physical confrontation. But she is still my sister whom I love very much.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2008 Posts: 4,449
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Nandwa wrote:The duo who pass themselves off as the foremost defenders of Islam, always attempting to sanitise deeds that are clearly evil are truly a study in contradiction - respectably. @ apha and @guru cant even agree on the correct teachings of their faith!
Each of them seems to practice a brand of Islam that is different from that of the other. I mean its clear, their individual ideals and interpretations of the faiths teachings are worlds apart.
While one believes that ISIS is the in thing, and is carrying out their prophets teachings + prophesy, the other calls them albeit hesitantly,hijackers of Islam who are engaged in political, selfish and evil acts that go counter to Islam.
One is vocal, forthright, and unashamed to state their position in a most clear and straight manner, while the other prefers verbosity, going round in endless circles, and is reluctant/cagey to state their position on such issues as ISIS, Alqaida, Ashabab etc.
Who of the two is practicing the true Islam!
They both cant be right.
One must be an apostate.
Ni yupi!
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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@guru and myself are Muslims. Total submission to the will of God. We never whorship idols, we nerver worship a man, we follow teachings of Quran, we follow the teachings of authentic Hadiths, we follow authentic teachings of previous scripture (Torah, Zabur and Injeel).
Your assignment: if you find contradiction in what @guru or myself said about the definition of a Muslim, then let me know.
Otherwise, if you want to use the yardstick given to you by the so-called Muslim experts, then it is up to you.
Now if this is going to make you happy then here it from me that recently retired head of the british army, general Richard Danatt said there is an Islamic agenda, moving from South asia to the middle east to north africa, and to the high water mark of the Islamic caliphate! Muslims uniting, their influence growing.
He understands this, he is preparing for it. Unfortunately, he is fighting it. They are all fighting it military or with thoughts or politically or economically, but they are fighting it.
Next, let me disappoint you
Military kingdoms will last among you as long as Allah wishes. And then Allah shall take it away when He wishes.
What is after this military kingdom? What do we expect?
The words of Muhammad (s.a.w), who does not speak in vain, he speaks in revelation. He said, there shall come after that the Khilafa, similar to Abu Bakar and Omar and Ottman ad Ali. The Khilafa accoridng to the teachings of the prophets. Then he kept quiet! We don't know what is after that.
But we know after this rulership, Islam is coming.
So @muriel, @ecstacy, @nandwa... are you happy now?
If you can find any conradiction between me and @guru as far as Quran and authentic Hadiths is concerned, be my guest.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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AlphDoti wrote:Nandwa wrote:The duo who pass themselves off as the foremost defenders of Islam, always attempting to sanitise deeds that are clearly evil are truly a study in contradiction - respectably. @ apha and @guru cant even agree on the correct teachings of their faith!
Each of them seems to practice a brand of Islam that is different from that of the other. I mean its clear, their individual ideals and interpretations of the faiths teachings are worlds apart.
While one believes that ISIS is the in thing, and is carrying out their prophets teachings + prophesy, the other calls them albeit hesitantly,hijackers of Islam who are engaged in political, selfish and evil acts that go counter to Islam.
One is vocal, forthright, and unashamed to state their position in a most clear and straight manner, while the other prefers verbosity, going round in endless circles, and is reluctant/cagey to state their position on such issues as ISIS, Alqaida, Ashabab etc.
Who of the two is practicing the true Islam!
They both cant be right.
One must be an apostate.
Ni yupi! @Nandwa are you writing this from your dream? They need to wake up from their delusions of PAMBAHOOD. Islam as they have proven to us, is the religion of darkness! I had a room-mate in high-school. The lad was the good type, until something happened to him in Form 3. All his stories suddenly changed and he embraced devil-worship. He went deeper and deeper into it, calling muslims, secular musicians and rastafarians his brothers in Lucifer. Well, much as I thought he was just a crazy fellow youth, he might have been right after all. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/29/2008 Posts: 1,566
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AlphDoti wrote:@guru and myself are Muslims. Total submission to the will of God. We never whorship idols, we nerver worship a man, we follow teachings of Quran, we follow the teachings of authentic Hadiths, we follow authentic teachings of previous scripture (Torah, Zabur and Injeel).
Your assignment: if you find contradiction in what @guru or myself said about the definition of a Muslim, then let me know.
Otherwise, if you want to use the yardstick given to you by the so-called Muslim experts, then it is up to you.
Now if this is going to make you happy then here it from me that recently retired head of the british army, general Richard Danatt said there is an Islamic agenda, moving from South asia to the middle east to north africa, and to the high water mark of the Islamic caliphate! Muslims uniting, their influence growing.
He understands this, he is preparing for it. Unfortunately, he is fighting it. They are all fighting it military or with thoughts or politically or economically, but they are fighting it.
Next, let me disappoint you
Military kingdoms will last among you as long as Allah wishes. And then Allah shall take it away when He wishes.
What is after this military kingdom? What do we expect?
The words of Muhammad (s.a.w), who does not speak in vain, he speaks in revelation. He said, there shall come after that the Khilafa, similar to Abu Bakar and Omar and Ottman ad Ali. The Khilafa accoridng to the teachings of the prophets. Then he kept quiet! We don't know what is after that.
But we know after this rulership, Islam is coming.
So @muriel, @ecstacy, @nandwa... are you happy now?
If you can find any conradiction between me and @guru as far as Quran and authentic Hadiths is concerned, be my guest. I thought the issues being raised are about interpretation. For starters, is ISIS involved in a legitimate interpretations of quran and the hadithis? Do both of you agree in your interpretation over this matter? Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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