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Mukiri wrote:Question 2, You have said 'a Muslim is one who follows the Quran and Hadith', yet she outrighly condemns some Muslims as 'bowing down to anything'. Who is right and who is wrong? I condemn bowing down to the IMAGE or STATUE of anything... We can bow to the One God! Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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guru267 wrote:Nabwire wrote:guru267 wrote:muganda wrote:guru267 wrote:ecstacy wrote:The only comments I've seen is trying to justify this barbaric acts with those of the Jews in the Old Testament, as if that makes it right. @ecstacy those "barbaric" acts were blessed by Yahweh and they were on his command!! So they are right in God's eyes! That is the same Old Testament that is in your Bible! And if something is right in God's eyes who cares what the rest of the world thinks?? Why do the actions need justification... 'Jews', 'old testament', 'bible', 'God', 'Yahweh' etc. Devilish actions by mad barbarians - ISIS should stand upright and claim their actions. Why even drag the name of Allah into the mess? Such bad taste. Cowards And why shouldn't they?? They have precedence set for their actions! Precedence that has the support of God the Father! Ushetani mtawacha! The Bible has the ten commandments, one of which states ' Thou shall not kill' Funny how you and your cult members conveniently ignore this. While we are at it, why the constant quoting of the Bible, nothing of worth to quote from the Quran? The reason I quote the Bible is because I want you to know that Muhammad's teachings came from Yahweh and no one else! That is a claim you can't prove. http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...amp;m=570126#post570126
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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symbols wrote:guru267 wrote:Nabwire wrote:guru267 wrote:muganda wrote:guru267 wrote:ecstacy wrote:The only comments I've seen is trying to justify this barbaric acts with those of the Jews in the Old Testament, as if that makes it right. @ecstacy those "barbaric" acts were blessed by Yahweh and they were on his command!! So they are right in God's eyes! That is the same Old Testament that is in your Bible! And if something is right in God's eyes who cares what the rest of the world thinks?? Why do the actions need justification... 'Jews', 'old testament', 'bible', 'God', 'Yahweh' etc. Devilish actions by mad barbarians - ISIS should stand upright and claim their actions. Why even drag the name of Allah into the mess? Such bad taste. Cowards And why shouldn't they?? They have precedence set for their actions! Precedence that has the support of God the Father! Ushetani mtawacha! The Bible has the ten commandments, one of which states ' Thou shall not kill' Funny how you and your cult members conveniently ignore this. While we are at it, why the constant quoting of the Bible, nothing of worth to quote from the Quran? The reason I quote the Bible is because I want you to know that Muhammad's teachings came from Yahweh and no one else! That is a claim you can't prove. http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...amp;m=570126#post570126
@symbols none of you have been able to show me something Muhammad recited in the quran that is not also in the Bible! Therefore Muhammad's teachings came from Yahweh.. Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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Mukiri wrote:
Combining the two questions, which is Sunni, which is Shia, which are you, which, in your opinion, is @Guru, which is ISIS and which are those being killed?
As long as you follow the way of All the prophets of God Almighty you are Muslim! All others are disbelievers! Some prophets taught us how to fight war and some prophets taught us righteousness... All the teachings have a time and place! Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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guru267 wrote:symbols wrote:guru267 wrote:Nabwire wrote:guru267 wrote:muganda wrote:guru267 wrote:ecstacy wrote:The only comments I've seen is trying to justify this barbaric acts with those of the Jews in the Old Testament, as if that makes it right. @ecstacy those "barbaric" acts were blessed by Yahweh and they were on his command!! So they are right in God's eyes! That is the same Old Testament that is in your Bible! And if something is right in God's eyes who cares what the rest of the world thinks?? Why do the actions need justification... 'Jews', 'old testament', 'bible', 'God', 'Yahweh' etc. Devilish actions by mad barbarians - ISIS should stand upright and claim their actions. Why even drag the name of Allah into the mess? Such bad taste. Cowards And why shouldn't they?? They have precedence set for their actions! Precedence that has the support of God the Father! Ushetani mtawacha! The Bible has the ten commandments, one of which states ' Thou shall not kill' Funny how you and your cult members conveniently ignore this. While we are at it, why the constant quoting of the Bible, nothing of worth to quote from the Quran? The reason I quote the Bible is because I want you to know that Muhammad's teachings came from Yahweh and no one else! That is a claim you can't prove. http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...amp;m=570126#post570126
@symbols none of you have been able to show me something Muhammad recited in the quran that is not also in the Bible! Therefore Muhammad's teachings came from Yahweh.. That is no proof. What does the Qur'an say about the Son of God and what does the Bible say? What does the Qur'an say about crucification of Jesus and what does the Bible say?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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symbols wrote:What does the Qur'an say about the Son of God and what does the Bible say?
What does the Qur'an say about crucification of Jesus and what does the Bible say? @symbols its important to use wisdom when reading these books Answer to question 1. The Bible calls Angels sons of God in Job 2:1, It also calls Adam the son of God in Luke 3:43 and it calls Jesus son of God in various references... Clearly the Bible refers to all beings without an earthly father as sons of God and the Qur'an is in full agreement with this understanding of the word "son" The other interpretations of the word "son" by Christians got cooked up later on after translations! Answer to question 2.The Bible says Jesus was to be crucified and the Qur'an says Jesus was to be crucified. The Bible says Jesus was crucified and the Qur'an says Judas who was made to look like Jesus was the one crucified! So both books acknowledged a crucifixion of a man that people thought was Jesus took place! As Muslims we do not believe in anything that is written after Jesus departure because that is where all the lies and contradictions begin. For example: The Bible can't even decide how Judas died  Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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guru267 wrote:symbols wrote:What does the Qur'an say about the Son of God and what does the Bible say?
What does the Qur'an say about crucification of Jesus and what does the Bible say? @symbols its important to use wisdom when reading these books Answer to question 1. The Bible calls Angels sons of God in Job 2:1, It also calls Adam the son of God in Luke 3:43 and it calls Jesus son of God in various references... Clearly the Bible refers to all beings without an earthly father as sons of God and the Qur'an is in full agreement with this understanding of the word "son" The other interpretations of the word "son" by Christians got cooked up later on after translations! Answer to question 2.The Bible says Jesus was to be crucified and the Qur'an says Jesus was to be crucified. The Bible says Jesus was crucified and the Qur'an says Judas who was made to look like Jesus was the one crucified! So both books acknowledged a crucifixion of a man that people thought was Jesus took place! As Muslims we do not believe in anything that is written after Jesus departure because that is where all the lies and contradictions begin. For example: The Bible can't even decide how Judas died To clarify,I said Son of God,not son(s) of God.There is no Luke 3:43 but I think you meant Luke 3:38.Specifically what does the Qur'an say when it comes to Jesus as the Son of God. In regards to Jesus not being crucified,that isn't in the Bible.Going by your argument,does that mean Muhammad's teachings are not from Yahweh?
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Argh enough with these preachings already! Now we cannot follow on the news from the east without being bombarded with fake tales of the great Pedophile and a cowardly defenseless god???? Admin please crack the whip! This important thread is beginning to stink! TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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symbols wrote:guru267 wrote:symbols wrote:What does the Qur'an say about the Son of God and what does the Bible say?
What does the Qur'an say about crucification of Jesus and what does the Bible say? @symbols its important to use wisdom when reading these books Answer to question 1. The Bible calls Angels sons of God in Job 2:1, It also calls Adam the son of God in Luke 3:43 and it calls Jesus son of God in various references... Clearly the Bible refers to all beings without an earthly father as sons of God and the Qur'an is in full agreement with this understanding of the word "son" The other interpretations of the word "son" by Christians got cooked up later on after translations! Answer to question 2.The Bible says Jesus was to be crucified and the Qur'an says Jesus was to be crucified. The Bible says Jesus was crucified and the Qur'an says Judas who was made to look like Jesus was the one crucified! So both books acknowledged a crucifixion of a man that people thought was Jesus took place! As Muslims we do not believe in anything that is written after Jesus departure because that is where all the lies and contradictions begin. For example: The Bible can't even decide how Judas died To clarify,I said Son of God,not son(s) of God.There is no Luke 3:43 but I think you meant Luke 3:38.Specifically what does the Qur'an say when it comes to Jesus as the Son of God. In regards to Jesus not being crucified,that isn't in the Bible.Going by your argument,does that mean Muhammad's teachings are not from Yahweh? Are you aware that Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic have no capital letters? So none of the books talk about a Son of God! That is just a misleading translation to try and differentiate Jesus from Adam and the Angels! So I do not know what answer you seek? Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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simonkabz wrote:Argh enough with these preachings already! Now we cannot follow on the news from the east without being bombarded with fake tales of the great Pedophile and a cowardly defenseless god???? Admin please crack the whip! This important thread is beginning to stink!  Stop crying like a little girl! Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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guru267 wrote:Nabwire wrote:guru267 wrote:muganda wrote:guru267 wrote:ecstacy wrote:The only comments I've seen is trying to justify this barbaric acts with those of the Jews in the Old Testament, as if that makes it right. @ecstacy those "barbaric" acts were blessed by Yahweh and they were on his command!! So they are right in God's eyes! That is the same Old Testament that is in your Bible! And if something is right in God's eyes who cares what the rest of the world thinks?? Why do the actions need justification... 'Jews', 'old testament', 'bible', 'God', 'Yahweh' etc. Devilish actions by mad barbarians - ISIS should stand upright and claim their actions. Why even drag the name of Allah into the mess? Such bad taste. Cowards And why shouldn't they?? They have precedence set for their actions! Precedence that has the support of God the Father! Ushetani mtawacha! The Bible has the ten commandments, one of which states ' Thou shall not kill' Funny how you and your cult members conveniently ignore this. While we are at it, why the constant quoting of the Bible, nothing of worth to quote from the Quran? The reason I quote the Bible is because I want you to know that Muhammad's teachings came from Yahweh and no one else! @nabwire, let me add one more reason why we quote the Bible. We have to use your own book. We have to use your own Bible to show you these things (we are telling you) are there. If we use the Quran, you'll say 'but i don't believe in it'. So we have to use your own book, your own witness. IMPORTANT: No one is asking you to "get" saved, no. No one is asking anyone to become Muslim, no. It's up to you, you make your own decisions.
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guru267 wrote:symbols wrote:guru267 wrote:symbols wrote:What does the Qur'an say about the Son of God and what does the Bible say?
What does the Qur'an say about crucification of Jesus and what does the Bible say? @symbols its important to use wisdom when reading these books Answer to question 1. The Bible calls Angels sons of God in Job 2:1, It also calls Adam the son of God in Luke 3:43 and it calls Jesus son of God in various references... Clearly the Bible refers to all beings without an earthly father as sons of God and the Qur'an is in full agreement with this understanding of the word "son" The other interpretations of the word "son" by Christians got cooked up later on after translations! Answer to question 2.The Bible says Jesus was to be crucified and the Qur'an says Jesus was to be crucified. The Bible says Jesus was crucified and the Qur'an says Judas who was made to look like Jesus was the one crucified! So both books acknowledged a crucifixion of a man that people thought was Jesus took place! As Muslims we do not believe in anything that is written after Jesus departure because that is where all the lies and contradictions begin. For example: The Bible can't even decide how Judas died To clarify,I said Son of God,not son(s) of God.There is no Luke 3:43 but I think you meant Luke 3:38.Specifically what does the Qur'an say when it comes to Jesus as the Son of God. In regards to Jesus not being crucified,that isn't in the Bible.Going by your argument,does that mean Muhammad's teachings are not from Yahweh? Are you aware that Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic have no capital letters? So none of the books talk about a Son of God! That is just a misleading translation to try and differentiate Jesus from Adam and the Angels! So I do not know what answer you seek? Quran 9:30 wrote:The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded? Quran 19:35 wrote:It is not [befitting] for Allah to take a son; exalted is He! When He decrees an affair, He only says to it, "Be," and it is. Where did the teachings come from?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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symbols wrote:guru267 wrote:symbols wrote:guru267 wrote:symbols wrote:What does the Qur'an say about the Son of God and what does the Bible say?
What does the Qur'an say about crucification of Jesus and what does the Bible say? @symbols its important to use wisdom when reading these books Answer to question 1. The Bible calls Angels sons of God in Job 2:1, It also calls Adam the son of God in Luke 3:43 and it calls Jesus son of God in various references... Clearly the Bible refers to all beings without an earthly father as sons of God and the Qur'an is in full agreement with this understanding of the word "son" The other interpretations of the word "son" by Christians got cooked up later on after translations! Answer to question 2.The Bible says Jesus was to be crucified and the Qur'an says Jesus was to be crucified. The Bible says Jesus was crucified and the Qur'an says Judas who was made to look like Jesus was the one crucified! So both books acknowledged a crucifixion of a man that people thought was Jesus took place! As Muslims we do not believe in anything that is written after Jesus departure because that is where all the lies and contradictions begin. For example: The Bible can't even decide how Judas died To clarify,I said Son of God,not son(s) of God.There is no Luke 3:43 but I think you meant Luke 3:38.Specifically what does the Qur'an say when it comes to Jesus as the Son of God. In regards to Jesus not being crucified,that isn't in the Bible.Going by your argument,does that mean Muhammad's teachings are not from Yahweh? Are you aware that Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic have no capital letters? So none of the books talk about a Son of God! That is just a misleading translation to try and differentiate Jesus from Adam and the Angels! So I do not know what answer you seek? Quran 9:30 wrote:The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded? Quran 19:35 wrote:It is not [befitting] for Allah to take a son; exalted is He! When He decrees an affair, He only says to it, "Be," and it is. Where did the teachings come from? @symbol, your question is not clear. However, let me explain those two verses you have quoted from the Quran. Explanation of Quran 9:30:There are many passages from the Old Testament (Job 38:7, Genesis 6:2, Psalms 127:2) mentioning freely the expression "sons of God" as was used by the Jews. Now a sect of them called one man 'Uzayr (translated Ezra) a son of God, according to al Baidawi. Google and find out that the constitution of Judaism dates from 'Uzayr (Ezra). Then the other point mentioned in that verse is that the Christians still call Jesus Christ the Son of God. Explanation of Quran 19:35:Begetting a son is a physical act depending on the needs of men's animal nature. Allah Most High is independent of all needs, and it is derogatory to Him to attribute such an act to Him. It is merely a ancient object of pagan and human characterization of materialist superstitions.
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AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:guru267 wrote:symbols wrote:guru267 wrote:symbols wrote:What does the Qur'an say about the Son of God and what does the Bible say?
What does the Qur'an say about crucification of Jesus and what does the Bible say? @symbols its important to use wisdom when reading these books Answer to question 1. The Bible calls Angels sons of God in Job 2:1, It also calls Adam the son of God in Luke 3:43 and it calls Jesus son of God in various references... Clearly the Bible refers to all beings without an earthly father as sons of God and the Qur'an is in full agreement with this understanding of the word "son" The other interpretations of the word "son" by Christians got cooked up later on after translations! Answer to question 2.The Bible says Jesus was to be crucified and the Qur'an says Jesus was to be crucified. The Bible says Jesus was crucified and the Qur'an says Judas who was made to look like Jesus was the one crucified! So both books acknowledged a crucifixion of a man that people thought was Jesus took place! As Muslims we do not believe in anything that is written after Jesus departure because that is where all the lies and contradictions begin. For example: The Bible can't even decide how Judas died To clarify,I said Son of God,not son(s) of God.There is no Luke 3:43 but I think you meant Luke 3:38.Specifically what does the Qur'an say when it comes to Jesus as the Son of God. In regards to Jesus not being crucified,that isn't in the Bible.Going by your argument,does that mean Muhammad's teachings are not from Yahweh? Are you aware that Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic have no capital letters? So none of the books talk about a Son of God! That is just a misleading translation to try and differentiate Jesus from Adam and the Angels! So I do not know what answer you seek? Quran 9:30 wrote:The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded? Quran 19:35 wrote:It is not [befitting] for Allah to take a son; exalted is He! When He decrees an affair, He only says to it, "Be," and it is. Where did the teachings come from? @symbol, your question is not clear. However, let me explain those two verses you have quoted from the Quran. Explanation of Quran 9:30:There are many passages from the Old Testament (Job 38:7, Genesis 6:2, Psalms 127:2) mentioning freely the expression "sons of God" as was used by the Jews. Now a sect of them called one man 'Uzayr (translated Ezra) a son of God, according to al Baidawi. Google and find out that the constitution of Judaism dates from 'Uzayr (Ezra). Then the other point mentioned in that verse is that the Christians still call Jesus Christ the Son of God. Explanation of Quran 19:35:Begetting a son is a physical act depending on the needs of men's animal nature. Allah Most High is independent of all needs, and it is derogatory to Him to attribute such an act to Him. It is merely a ancient object of pagan and human characterization of materialist superstitions. The question is linked to what @guru267 had said earlier. guru267 wrote:
@symbols none of you have been able to show me something Muhammad recited in the quran that is not also in the Bible!
Therefore Muhammad's teachings came from Yahweh..
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symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:guru267 wrote:symbols wrote:guru267 wrote:symbols wrote:What does the Qur'an say about the Son of God and what does the Bible say?
What does the Qur'an say about crucification of Jesus and what does the Bible say? @symbols its important to use wisdom when reading these books Answer to question 1. The Bible calls Angels sons of God in Job 2:1, It also calls Adam the son of God in Luke 3:43 and it calls Jesus son of God in various references... Clearly the Bible refers to all beings without an earthly father as sons of God and the Qur'an is in full agreement with this understanding of the word "son" The other interpretations of the word "son" by Christians got cooked up later on after translations! Answer to question 2.The Bible says Jesus was to be crucified and the Qur'an says Jesus was to be crucified. The Bible says Jesus was crucified and the Qur'an says Judas who was made to look like Jesus was the one crucified! So both books acknowledged a crucifixion of a man that people thought was Jesus took place! As Muslims we do not believe in anything that is written after Jesus departure because that is where all the lies and contradictions begin. For example: The Bible can't even decide how Judas died To clarify,I said Son of God,not son(s) of God.There is no Luke 3:43 but I think you meant Luke 3:38.Specifically what does the Qur'an say when it comes to Jesus as the Son of God. In regards to Jesus not being crucified,that isn't in the Bible.Going by your argument,does that mean Muhammad's teachings are not from Yahweh? Are you aware that Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic have no capital letters? So none of the books talk about a Son of God! That is just a misleading translation to try and differentiate Jesus from Adam and the Angels! So I do not know what answer you seek? Quran 9:30 wrote:The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded? Quran 19:35 wrote:It is not [befitting] for Allah to take a son; exalted is He! When He decrees an affair, He only says to it, "Be," and it is. Where did the teachings come from? @symbol, your question is not clear. However, let me explain those two verses you have quoted from the Quran. Explanation of Quran 9:30:There are many passages from the Old Testament (Job 38:7, Genesis 6:2, Psalms 127:2) mentioning freely the expression "sons of God" as was used by the Jews. Now a sect of them called one man 'Uzayr (translated Ezra) a son of God, according to al Baidawi. Google and find out that the constitution of Judaism dates from 'Uzayr (Ezra). Then the other point mentioned in that verse is that the Christians still call Jesus Christ the Son of God. Explanation of Quran 19:35:Begetting a son is a physical act depending on the needs of men's animal nature. Allah Most High is independent of all needs, and it is derogatory to Him to attribute such an act to Him. It is merely a ancient object of pagan and human characterization of materialist superstitions. The question is linked to what @guru267 had said earlier. guru267 wrote:
@symbols none of you have been able to show me something Muhammad recited in the quran that is not also in the Bible!
Therefore Muhammad's teachings came from Yahweh..
@symbols you see @guru asked you how many "Sons" does God have? You complained that "but the Bible clearly says that Jesus is the Son of God". Then @guru corrected you that why are you putting CAPITAL 'S' when quoting the verses referring to Jesus (pbuh), yet you are aware that Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic have no capital letters. You see the Bible has sons of God in tones:1. It tells us Jacob is God's son and firstborn: " Israel is my son, even my firstborn" Exodus 4:22. 2. Solomon is God's son "He shall build an house for my name... I will be his father, and he shall be my son": 2 Samuel 7:13-14. 3. Abraham is God's firstborn: "for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn." Jeremiah 31:9 Question is who is God's firstborn? Is it Jacob (Israel) or Ephraim? 4. Adam is the son of God "Adam, which was the son of God." Luke 3:38. 5. Even common people are the sons of God: "Ye are the children of the LORD your God" Deuteronomy 14:1. 6. God Has sons in tones "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God" Romans 8:14. So is Jesus (pbuh) still the only son of God?So the verses from the Quran corrects the Jews and Christian. The Quran tells you God was not born, God does not have a wife, God does not have sex (sire/beget), and therefore God does not have physical son. I told you before that the verse in John 3:16, quoted by all priests worth their cloth would not fail to quote: "the only BEGOTTEN!" when preaching. IT HAS BEEN UNCEREMONIOUSLY EXPUNGED FROM THE BIBLE    By who? By your bible revisers as a fabrication. They removed this from the Bible without a word of excuse. They are silent like "church-mice" and would let you as a reader pay attention to this furtive excision. So please ask your question again clearly.
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