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Good. Now we are getting somewhere. So, according to you, she is right by coming out and saying she's Sunni... and in equal measure, you are right by hiding your affiliation. Question 2, You have said 'a Muslim is one who follows the Quran and Hadith', yet she outrighly condemns some Muslims as 'bowing down to anything'. Who is right and who is wrong?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Mukiri wrote:Good. Now we are getting somewhere.
So, according to you, she is right by coming out and saying she's Sunni... and in equal measure, you are right by hiding your affiliation.
Question 2, You have said 'a Muslim is one who follows the Quran and Hadith', yet she outrighly condemns some Muslims as 'bowing down to anything'. Who is right and who is wrong? About your first paragraph: Right about what? Aren't you making your own conclusions there? About your second paragraph: Quran and Hadiths condemns those 'bowing down to anything else other than Allah (God Almighty)'. And those are not Muslims. They are polytheists or idolaters. If @guru condemns them, then she is following the Quran and Hadith.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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AlphDoti wrote:Mukiri wrote:Good. Now we are getting somewhere.
So, according to you, she is right by coming out and saying she's Sunni... and in equal measure, you are right by hiding your affiliation.
Question 2, You have said 'a Muslim is one who follows the Quran and Hadith', yet she outrighly condemns some Muslims as 'bowing down to anything'. Who is right and who is wrong? About your first paragraph: Right about what? Aren't you making your own conclusions there? About your second paragraph: Quran and Hadiths condemns those 'bowing down to anything else other than Allah (God Almighty)'. And those are not Muslims. They are polytheists or idolaters. If @guru condemns them, then she is following the Quran and Hadith. On the first question, please elucidate. One has come outrightly while another is hiding. Who is Muslim and who is the polytheist/idolaters? On the second, if I understand you correctly, there are Muslims and there are polytheists/Idolaters?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Mukiri wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Mukiri wrote:Good. Now we are getting somewhere.
So, according to you, she is right by coming out and saying she's Sunni... and in equal measure, you are right by hiding your affiliation.
Question 2, You have said 'a Muslim is one who follows the Quran and Hadith', yet she outrighly condemns some Muslims as 'bowing down to anything'. Who is right and who is wrong? About your first paragraph: Right about what? Aren't you making your own conclusions there? About your second paragraph: Quran and Hadiths condemns those 'bowing down to anything else other than Allah (God Almighty)'. And those are not Muslims. They are polytheists or idolaters. If @guru condemns them, then she is following the Quran and Hadith. On the first question, please elucidate. One has come outrightly while another is hiding. Who is Muslim and who is the polytheist/idolaters? On the second, if I understand you correctly, there are Muslims and there are polytheists/Idolaters? On the first question, refer to post #558On the second question, yes. Muslim is the one who submits to and accepts God and must demonstrate this by worshiping God alone, following his commands. Polytheist is one joins gods with God. An example of a polytheist like worshiping a man.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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AlphDoti wrote:Mukiri wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Mukiri wrote:Good. Now we are getting somewhere.
So, according to you, she is right by coming out and saying she's Sunni... and in equal measure, you are right by hiding your affiliation.
Question 2, You have said 'a Muslim is one who follows the Quran and Hadith', yet she outrighly condemns some Muslims as 'bowing down to anything'. Who is right and who is wrong? About your first paragraph: Right about what? Aren't you making your own conclusions there? About your second paragraph: Quran and Hadiths condemns those 'bowing down to anything else other than Allah (God Almighty)'. And those are not Muslims. They are polytheists or idolaters. If @guru condemns them, then she is following the Quran and Hadith. On the first question, please elucidate. One has come outrightly while another is hiding. Who is Muslim and who is the polytheist/idolaters? On the second, if I understand you correctly, there are Muslims and there are polytheists/Idolaters? On the first question, refer to post #558On the second question, yes. Muslim is the one who submits to and accepts God and must demonstrate this by worshiping God alone, following his commands. Polytheist is one joins gods with God. An example of a polytheist like worshiping a man. Combining the two questions, which is Sunni, which is Shia, which are you, which, in your opinion, is @Guru, which is ISIS and which are those being killed?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/22/2011 Posts: 1,325
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AlphDoti wrote:Nabwire wrote:guru267 wrote:Wendz wrote:Which land because i could gladly leave it if i knew which one? Could you kindly elaborate this in Kenyan context. Also, in your elaboration, kindly let us know how the muslims rightly acquired/inherited/attained the said land. When Christ comes back the whole earth will be Islamic land so maybe you could try space or Mars! Ujinga ni kusema when Christ, a Christian, comes back, the whole world will be Islamic, a non Christian religion, actually a cult that goes against everything Christ stood for!  @nabwire who told you Jesus Christ (pbuh) was Christian? Can you produce your proof? So now Christ was not a Christian! This is the part where I sign off coz I know somewhere down the line you will abandon Mohammed and claim he was really a Christian, when all the evil he did comes to light. Masters of deception!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Mukiri wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Mukiri wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Mukiri wrote:Good. Now we are getting somewhere.
So, according to you, she is right by coming out and saying she's Sunni... and in equal measure, you are right by hiding your affiliation.
Question 2, You have said 'a Muslim is one who follows the Quran and Hadith', yet she outrighly condemns some Muslims as 'bowing down to anything'. Who is right and who is wrong? About your first paragraph: Right about what? Aren't you making your own conclusions there? About your second paragraph: Quran and Hadiths condemns those 'bowing down to anything else other than Allah (God Almighty)'. And those are not Muslims. They are polytheists or idolaters. If @guru condemns them, then she is following the Quran and Hadith. On the first question, please elucidate. One has come outrightly while another is hiding. Who is Muslim and who is the polytheist/idolaters? On the second, if I understand you correctly, there are Muslims and there are polytheists/Idolaters? On the first question, refer to post #558On the second question, yes. Muslim is the one who submits to and accepts God and must demonstrate this by worshiping God alone, following his commands. Polytheist is one joins gods with God. An example of a polytheist like worshiping a man. Combining the two questions, which is Sunni, which is Shia, which are you, which, in your opinion, is @Guru, which is ISIS and which are those being killed? @mukiri you're just repeating questions. Which what and what... and am I? I've already replied in above posts. My opinion regarding @guru? You ask her, there you're trying to clash people. Which is ISIS and who is being killed? How do I know? Your guess is as good as mine. In short, these grouping you're enumerating have been created by so-called Muslim experts, the enemies of Islam, for political reasons, to cause division. You'll never find any groupings in Quran and Hadiths the teachings of prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Quran says don't create sects. Hadiths say don't create sects. So the groupings and sects is not Islam. Going forward, please ask me any question in Islam. Politics, achia @guru, she can deal with you on that. NOTE: please refer to my post #288 about my stand ISIS.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Nabwire wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Nabwire wrote:guru267 wrote:Wendz wrote:Which land because i could gladly leave it if i knew which one? Could you kindly elaborate this in Kenyan context. Also, in your elaboration, kindly let us know how the muslims rightly acquired/inherited/attained the said land. When Christ comes back the whole earth will be Islamic land so maybe you could try space or Mars! Ujinga ni kusema when Christ, a Christian, comes back, the whole world will be Islamic, a non Christian religion, actually a cult that goes against everything Christ stood for! @nabwire who told you Jesus Christ (pbuh) was Christian? Can you produce your proof? So now Christ was not a Christian! This is the part where I sign off coz I know somewhere down the line you will abandon Mohammed and claim he was really a Christian, when all the evil he did comes to light. Masters of deception! @nabwire no, no, no  Why are you signing off so quickly? Produce your proof if you claim Jesus Christ (pbuh) was a Christian. You're displaying your ignorance about the origin of Christianity. Muslims are people with one stand! Now you want to switch to Muhammad (pbuh) yet we're discussing Jesus (pbuh), enyewe nyinyi ni experts of digression when defeated 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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Nabwire wrote:guru267 wrote:muganda wrote:guru267 wrote:ecstacy wrote:The only comments I've seen is trying to justify this barbaric acts with those of the Jews in the Old Testament, as if that makes it right. @ecstacy those "barbaric" acts were blessed by Yahweh and they were on his command!! So they are right in God's eyes! That is the same Old Testament that is in your Bible! And if something is right in God's eyes who cares what the rest of the world thinks?? Why do the actions need justification... 'Jews', 'old testament', 'bible', 'God', 'Yahweh' etc. Devilish actions by mad barbarians - ISIS should stand upright and claim their actions. Why even drag the name of Allah into the mess? Such bad taste. Cowards And why shouldn't they?? They have precedence set for their actions! Precedence that has the support of God the Father! Ushetani mtawacha! The Bible has the ten commandments, one of which states ' Thou shall not kill' Funny how you and your cult members conveniently ignore this. While we are at it, why the constant quoting of the Bible, nothing of worth to quote from the Quran? The reason I quote the Bible is because I want you to know that Muhammad's teachings came from Yahweh and no one else! Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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Nabwire wrote:guru267 wrote:Wendz wrote:Which land because i could gladly leave it if i knew which one? Could you kindly elaborate this in Kenyan context. Also, in your elaboration, kindly let us know how the muslims rightly acquired/inherited/attained the said land. When Christ comes back the whole earth will be Islamic land so maybe you could try space or Mars! Ujinga ni kusema when Christ, a Christian, comes back, the whole world will be Islamic, a non Christian religion, actually a cult that goes against everything Christ stood for! My friend when Christ went to heaven he was a Jew.. Only God knows who cooked up a religion called Christianity! As stated before as long as anyone believes in Mark 12:29 then they qualify to be Muslim! So Christ is a Muslim! Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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Mukiri wrote:Question 2, You have said 'a Muslim is one who follows the Quran and Hadith', yet she outrighly condemns some Muslims as 'bowing down to anything'. Who is right and who is wrong? I condemn bowing down to the IMAGE or STATUE of anything... We can bow to the One God! Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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guru267 wrote:Nabwire wrote:guru267 wrote:muganda wrote:guru267 wrote:ecstacy wrote:The only comments I've seen is trying to justify this barbaric acts with those of the Jews in the Old Testament, as if that makes it right. @ecstacy those "barbaric" acts were blessed by Yahweh and they were on his command!! So they are right in God's eyes! That is the same Old Testament that is in your Bible! And if something is right in God's eyes who cares what the rest of the world thinks?? Why do the actions need justification... 'Jews', 'old testament', 'bible', 'God', 'Yahweh' etc. Devilish actions by mad barbarians - ISIS should stand upright and claim their actions. Why even drag the name of Allah into the mess? Such bad taste. Cowards And why shouldn't they?? They have precedence set for their actions! Precedence that has the support of God the Father! Ushetani mtawacha! The Bible has the ten commandments, one of which states ' Thou shall not kill' Funny how you and your cult members conveniently ignore this. While we are at it, why the constant quoting of the Bible, nothing of worth to quote from the Quran? The reason I quote the Bible is because I want you to know that Muhammad's teachings came from Yahweh and no one else! That is a claim you can't prove. http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...amp;m=570126#post570126
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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symbols wrote:guru267 wrote:Nabwire wrote:guru267 wrote:muganda wrote:guru267 wrote:ecstacy wrote:The only comments I've seen is trying to justify this barbaric acts with those of the Jews in the Old Testament, as if that makes it right. @ecstacy those "barbaric" acts were blessed by Yahweh and they were on his command!! So they are right in God's eyes! That is the same Old Testament that is in your Bible! And if something is right in God's eyes who cares what the rest of the world thinks?? Why do the actions need justification... 'Jews', 'old testament', 'bible', 'God', 'Yahweh' etc. Devilish actions by mad barbarians - ISIS should stand upright and claim their actions. Why even drag the name of Allah into the mess? Such bad taste. Cowards And why shouldn't they?? They have precedence set for their actions! Precedence that has the support of God the Father! Ushetani mtawacha! The Bible has the ten commandments, one of which states ' Thou shall not kill' Funny how you and your cult members conveniently ignore this. While we are at it, why the constant quoting of the Bible, nothing of worth to quote from the Quran? The reason I quote the Bible is because I want you to know that Muhammad's teachings came from Yahweh and no one else! That is a claim you can't prove. http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...amp;m=570126#post570126
@symbols none of you have been able to show me something Muhammad recited in the quran that is not also in the Bible! Therefore Muhammad's teachings came from Yahweh.. Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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Mukiri wrote:
Combining the two questions, which is Sunni, which is Shia, which are you, which, in your opinion, is @Guru, which is ISIS and which are those being killed?
As long as you follow the way of All the prophets of God Almighty you are Muslim! All others are disbelievers! Some prophets taught us how to fight war and some prophets taught us righteousness... All the teachings have a time and place! Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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guru267 wrote:symbols wrote:guru267 wrote:Nabwire wrote:guru267 wrote:muganda wrote:guru267 wrote:ecstacy wrote:The only comments I've seen is trying to justify this barbaric acts with those of the Jews in the Old Testament, as if that makes it right. @ecstacy those "barbaric" acts were blessed by Yahweh and they were on his command!! So they are right in God's eyes! That is the same Old Testament that is in your Bible! And if something is right in God's eyes who cares what the rest of the world thinks?? Why do the actions need justification... 'Jews', 'old testament', 'bible', 'God', 'Yahweh' etc. Devilish actions by mad barbarians - ISIS should stand upright and claim their actions. Why even drag the name of Allah into the mess? Such bad taste. Cowards And why shouldn't they?? They have precedence set for their actions! Precedence that has the support of God the Father! Ushetani mtawacha! The Bible has the ten commandments, one of which states ' Thou shall not kill' Funny how you and your cult members conveniently ignore this. While we are at it, why the constant quoting of the Bible, nothing of worth to quote from the Quran? The reason I quote the Bible is because I want you to know that Muhammad's teachings came from Yahweh and no one else! That is a claim you can't prove. http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...amp;m=570126#post570126
@symbols none of you have been able to show me something Muhammad recited in the quran that is not also in the Bible! Therefore Muhammad's teachings came from Yahweh.. That is no proof. What does the Qur'an say about the Son of God and what does the Bible say? What does the Qur'an say about crucification of Jesus and what does the Bible say?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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symbols wrote:What does the Qur'an say about the Son of God and what does the Bible say?
What does the Qur'an say about crucification of Jesus and what does the Bible say? @symbols its important to use wisdom when reading these books Answer to question 1. The Bible calls Angels sons of God in Job 2:1, It also calls Adam the son of God in Luke 3:43 and it calls Jesus son of God in various references... Clearly the Bible refers to all beings without an earthly father as sons of God and the Qur'an is in full agreement with this understanding of the word "son" The other interpretations of the word "son" by Christians got cooked up later on after translations! Answer to question 2.The Bible says Jesus was to be crucified and the Qur'an says Jesus was to be crucified. The Bible says Jesus was crucified and the Qur'an says Judas who was made to look like Jesus was the one crucified! So both books acknowledged a crucifixion of a man that people thought was Jesus took place! As Muslims we do not believe in anything that is written after Jesus departure because that is where all the lies and contradictions begin. For example: The Bible can't even decide how Judas died  Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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guru267 wrote:symbols wrote:What does the Qur'an say about the Son of God and what does the Bible say?
What does the Qur'an say about crucification of Jesus and what does the Bible say? @symbols its important to use wisdom when reading these books Answer to question 1. The Bible calls Angels sons of God in Job 2:1, It also calls Adam the son of God in Luke 3:43 and it calls Jesus son of God in various references... Clearly the Bible refers to all beings without an earthly father as sons of God and the Qur'an is in full agreement with this understanding of the word "son" The other interpretations of the word "son" by Christians got cooked up later on after translations! Answer to question 2.The Bible says Jesus was to be crucified and the Qur'an says Jesus was to be crucified. The Bible says Jesus was crucified and the Qur'an says Judas who was made to look like Jesus was the one crucified! So both books acknowledged a crucifixion of a man that people thought was Jesus took place! As Muslims we do not believe in anything that is written after Jesus departure because that is where all the lies and contradictions begin. For example: The Bible can't even decide how Judas died To clarify,I said Son of God,not son(s) of God.There is no Luke 3:43 but I think you meant Luke 3:38.Specifically what does the Qur'an say when it comes to Jesus as the Son of God. In regards to Jesus not being crucified,that isn't in the Bible.Going by your argument,does that mean Muhammad's teachings are not from Yahweh?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Argh enough with these preachings already! Now we cannot follow on the news from the east without being bombarded with fake tales of the great Pedophile and a cowardly defenseless god???? Admin please crack the whip! This important thread is beginning to stink! TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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symbols wrote:guru267 wrote:symbols wrote:What does the Qur'an say about the Son of God and what does the Bible say?
What does the Qur'an say about crucification of Jesus and what does the Bible say? @symbols its important to use wisdom when reading these books Answer to question 1. The Bible calls Angels sons of God in Job 2:1, It also calls Adam the son of God in Luke 3:43 and it calls Jesus son of God in various references... Clearly the Bible refers to all beings without an earthly father as sons of God and the Qur'an is in full agreement with this understanding of the word "son" The other interpretations of the word "son" by Christians got cooked up later on after translations! Answer to question 2.The Bible says Jesus was to be crucified and the Qur'an says Jesus was to be crucified. The Bible says Jesus was crucified and the Qur'an says Judas who was made to look like Jesus was the one crucified! So both books acknowledged a crucifixion of a man that people thought was Jesus took place! As Muslims we do not believe in anything that is written after Jesus departure because that is where all the lies and contradictions begin. For example: The Bible can't even decide how Judas died To clarify,I said Son of God,not son(s) of God.There is no Luke 3:43 but I think you meant Luke 3:38.Specifically what does the Qur'an say when it comes to Jesus as the Son of God. In regards to Jesus not being crucified,that isn't in the Bible.Going by your argument,does that mean Muhammad's teachings are not from Yahweh? Are you aware that Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic have no capital letters? So none of the books talk about a Son of God! That is just a misleading translation to try and differentiate Jesus from Adam and the Angels! So I do not know what answer you seek? Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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simonkabz wrote:Argh enough with these preachings already! Now we cannot follow on the news from the east without being bombarded with fake tales of the great Pedophile and a cowardly defenseless god???? Admin please crack the whip! This important thread is beginning to stink! Stop crying like a little girl! Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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