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Djinn
#21 Posted : Monday, January 04, 2010 1:19:34 PM
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@dolas - I agree with the nudges towards ACCA and CPA....and forget abt the ICDL - I rate myself as a grandmaster in MS Word 2003 and a semi-pro with MS Excel though my certificate states "Word Perfect 5.1, Lotus 1-2-3, MS Dos, Dbase III" - forget "vendor certification" - just get right the basics - whether you use Open Office, Star Office, or (shudder) MS Office - it remains the same.

AEMathenge - pls give the guy a break - I see he has asked for "advice" and not "advise" - that to me is an excellent start - when one can distinguish the noun from the verb. His diction and grammar seems OK, though punctuation is absent (perhaps owing to being in a hurry?) Having said that, I think if he is gravitating towards major number crunching, speaking and writing the queen's eegrich will not deter him much...
aemathenge
#22 Posted : Monday, January 04, 2010 3:50:28 PM
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So, you have crunched the numbers. You have performed a service. Naturally, you will require to be paid for the service you have performed.

The buyer of the service is not a number cruncher. That is why he hired you to perform the service.

You will have to translate your number crunching into a report or memorandum that your client will understand, as well as other number crunchers. Otherwise, as far as they would be concerned, you will not have performed the service they are willing to pay you for.

I recommended a good command of the English language because most of the reports and memorandum are done is this language. Ofcourse he may opt for American English or specialize in Kiswahili for I notice that Annual Reports and Financial Statements use both eloquent English and Kiswahil sanifu.

Finaly I challenged him to start immediately by writing his posts in the future in the language I recommended. I did not ask him to be the best. I am not and will never be the best. That is why I will never be able to distinguish between advice and advise. My point will be delivered anyway.

Nothing further.
mukiha
#23 Posted : Wednesday, January 06, 2010 5:44:30 AM
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aemathenge wrote:
... I will never be able to distinguish between advice and advise...


It's simple: most verbs have continuous tense ending in "ing". Now let's test advice versus advise:

ADVICING

ADVISING

the first one looks funny, doesn't it? Thus it cannot be a verb. Therefore ADVICE is a noun and ADVISE is the verb (the act of giving advice)

Another way of distinguishing them is in the way the are pronounced.

ADVICE = "advais"

ADVISE = "advaiz" ...with a zz sound at the end.
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mukiha
#24 Posted : Wednesday, January 06, 2010 5:46:04 AM
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....now try this one:

Do you know the difference between HANGED and HUNG?
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mukiha
#25 Posted : Wednesday, January 06, 2010 6:04:10 AM
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When all is said and done, good English is largely a matter of attitude. Therefore no amount of training will help an adult improve their language if they are not self-motivated to do so. Well, that applies to ALL adult learning, but it is most crucial in language learning in my view.

How many times do we hear people retort that "I am not a mzungu" or "You understand what I mean - don't bother with the grammar" etc.

People with these attitudes will REFUSE to learn and improve their language skills no matter which school, college or training institution you take them to!

I was taught English only up to Form 4 (26 years ago) and since then, I have been trying to improve my skills in the language every time I get a chance. So when some one corrects me, I take it positively and make a note of not repeating the mistake.

I do the same with Kiswahili and Kikuyu. Indeed, sometimes I joke that I speak better Kikuyu than my mother...I have corrected her on several occasions.

Don't you find it embarrassing when senior people are interviewed in Kiswahili on TV and they respond in mix of Kiswahili(20%)+English(80%)? I do. If they are not comfortable in speaking Kiswahili, why not tell the producer that they will only speak English?
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mukiha
#26 Posted : Wednesday, January 06, 2010 6:05:35 AM
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Sorry @dolas. I seem to have hijacked you thread.
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mozenrat
#27 Posted : Wednesday, January 06, 2010 8:16:22 AM
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@Djinn,

Should he end up in an audit firm (where they'll be plenty of number crunching), he'll find he'll still be required to present reports of his findings to various Boards of Directors in proper "Engrich".
Djinn
#28 Posted : Wednesday, January 06, 2010 8:43:50 AM
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@mozerat - I think it will hold up for that purpose...however, if he was in marketing, PR, Human Resources...then perhaps it might be a weakness. I imagine a malapropism/misspelling/etc might be his undoing in such departments.

But for a P&L, Balance Sheet, etc, it need not read like Binyavanga Wainaina/Mutahi Ngunyi/Philip Ochieng/Steven King/Shakespeare.

Other thing is, I believe both in stepping stones and crossing bridges when one reaches them...part of the route towards CPA/CFA/ACCA or other acronym qualifications will be lined with adequate opportunities to learn the right lingo (similar to how doctors, lawyers, etc have their own distinct vocabulary - though for vain reasons, some lawyers like Ababu Manamba and PLO insist on confounding lay people and the press with their legalese...I digress)

So, back to stepping stones....our colleague is already far down one road, let him/her FIRST finish that journey, and then embark on another....if needed....if she/he feels he/she comes up short...then he/she can cross that bridge when he/she gets to it...
mukiha
#29 Posted : Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:51:50 PM
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Djinn wrote:
But for a P&L, Balance Sheet, etc, it need not read like Binyavanga Wainaina/Mutahi Ngunyi/Philip Ochieng/Steven King/Shakespeare.


Right here you will see the attitude problem I was talking about. True, many accountants have a poor command of the English language and this is the main reason why many lay people find it hard to understand accounts reports....the accountants are not able to explain the numbers in ordinary language.

Djinn wrote:
Other thing is, I believe both in stepping stones and crossing bridges when one reaches them...part of the route towards CPA/CFA/ACCA or other acronym qualifications will be lined with adequate opportunities to learn the right lingo...


Let me correct this one: CPA, CFA, ACCA are NOT acronyms; they are abbreviations.
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aemathenge
#30 Posted : Wednesday, January 06, 2010 2:25:49 PM
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nmt
#31 Posted : Friday, January 08, 2010 12:31:06 PM
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uuuuh quite economics ooh econometrics and come do dentistry.
1. half the time people are in pain, and do not even care what language you speak.
2. you might never need more papers
3. chances of you getting a job 1 day post campus are very high.
4. we don't ussually worry about carreer progression... there is none.

5......you will deal with smelly mouths, induce pain and see blood almost every day.
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