@urstill

Good starting point.


Try be specific, which state corporations collapsed under Moi?
Boss are you serious? Most did not collapse during his tenure but did so after he left because they were like shells due to the "competent" managers who had been running them. Some are still asleep till now . Do not have the list but some Cos
KICOMI
MOUNTEX
PANPAPER
AFC
KBC still in the red
KPT&C
KENYA RAILWAYS
NCPB


I know little about the older Kenyatta's reign apart grabbing of land greater than the size of Nyanza for himself and another grabbing by his buddies. Not entertaining any kind of opposition

I thought there was KANU and sijui KADU ama KADU was not supposed to be opposition ?
or any bright mind that may easily take power intelligently by 'back door'. He is the foundation of our major problem, tribalism. Mass relocation of people from the white highlands, specifically in central Kenya.

There was mass relocation but there are some places like in Eldy kule kulichomeka where central people actually formed coops to buy land . Its just that they renamed the land bought after their home village sijui Kiambaa

Some one will add more here.

+ves of the NARC govt

- trying to implement the free primary education though still has teething problems to date but still a good idea.
- trying to enhance freedom expression.


-ves

- Kibs had the perfect opportunity to re-unite the country in 2002, he did otherwise. Became more tribal than his predecessor. Veeeery skewed appointments

- Failure to to sort out past injustices.

- Corruption flourished under his watch, I guess worse than mzee's M01.

- The lowest point, failure to accept defeat, thus being the initiator of the 2007-2008 events. RAO's team reacted poorly to his actions, I guess because of their African thinking. The rest is well known.

Grand coalition

Do you know almost all of Kibaki's legacy is pegged to this period I wonder who pegs it on this did you compare the economic growth during the two legacies? without anyone ever taking into account of the other partner. Weird!! Most things were PR.

- Many super ideas were suggested here e.g Konza, Lappset idea was revived.
YES

- Major construction of roads, majorly in central Kenya.

This comes to mind to many people due to Thika road / High/superway

- JKIA and other airports upgradings


The bad was too much

- bloated cabinet
YES

- constant bickering in the govt

YES
- skewed appointments, yes skewed!!

YES

- corruption continued.

YES
- poor relations with especially western nations.

Do not think so , Kibaki did not travel a lot , RAO did it for him but the so said poor relations might have been as a result of the skewed appointments look at the people named ro represent Kenya abroad

Uhunye govt

Nothing has been positive except trying to work on previous govt's projects. Surely, you expected them to say we stop all the Kibs /Raos projects and implement their manifesto ? This is what has been happening at the constituency level after an MP exits.
I guess he has made the presidency look more interesting than before. More PR to keep sycophants busy. The free maternity care was a brilliant idea. I guess it has fully been implemented


- Kudorora kwa usalama.This is due to leftovers/hangovers by the former regime This is well known since it has affected everything. - Skewed appointments. The govt belongs majorly to 2 regions.
I guess he is learning on this one judging by the last appointments but am very sure when they got the CV the first question might have been who did this guy support during the elections? They also appointed people who stuck by them like Zipapa ama you want him to name the bullfighter

- Increased tax burden.
- Increased public debt to alarming levels. Almost 60% of the GDP. Guess what? Most of it has been/will be spent on recurrent expenses. It exponentially grew under his watch. YES Thus the wage bio debate that yielded zero results.
- Did I say more corruption since there has been less accountability of many billions and utumishi kwa wore still flourishes, especially with terrorists. This is what has been NSIS funding saga ,has to be done in parliament (protection due to the "nature of the activity")
- poor international policy ICC SAGA and looking East might be your motivational points
- Using govt organ, parastatals ... to spread propaganda against opposition
???????

I prefer his reign to RAO's but man of milk still tops my list very few facts to make him top your list. He has at least 3yrs to go.

Anything that I left out? Add please. We can discuss things we don't agree. Facts alone. No goggles.

@urstill if given the job will u deliver?

I don't think any government can compare to the coalition garment!!!

Urstill I think we live in different countries. What you have put down here is shocking, our divergent perceptions have no way of reconciling, since I dont know where to start to correct your numerous falsehoods. I however respect your opinions and I advise you to move around this beautiful country and realize how far we have gone since the days of Moi. Tembea Africa pia and shed the overwhelming negative energy about your country.

No way. Your posts indicate otherwise. You have never been to loitokitok, Kajiado/Namanga, Meru/Maua, Isiolo/Marsabit, Kisii, Homabay, Busia, Bungoma/malaba, Kitui etc. Wewe umefika tu hapa Thika ndio ukaona super-highway.

Now that baks collapsed/looted/muzzled Kenya seed, Kenya railways, KQ, Numerical Machining Complex, ADC, Coffee sector, fisheries, KCC, KMC, National Bank, KBC, KCB, Coop Bank, NCPB, KPCU, Telcom, not to mention numerous private entities.....we should all thank God for magically reviving nearly all of them as soon as old baks exited. Amen.