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freiks		#141 Posted : Wednesday, August 13, 2014 12:08:55 PM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/8/2010 Posts: 1,734		Githongo, Leakey, Karua joins the fray. Seems election losers and Civil society(pro-ICC) really wants this thing http://www.standardmedia...-cord-s-referendum-push Will it make or break the push Life is an endless adventure
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harrydre		#142 Posted : Saturday, August 16, 2014 7:20:17 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo		this thing will be very interesting......bring on the questions and signatures! i.am.back!!!!
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Njung'e		#143 Posted : Saturday, August 16, 2014 11:03:06 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi		Everyone seems to have a question to be included.....which means we will not be voting but rather sitting for an exam! Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Kusadikika		#144 Posted : Sunday, August 17, 2014 12:13:59 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,723		Njung'e wrote: Everyone seems to have a question to be included.....which means we will not be voting but rather sitting for an exam! I think Kenyans are used to that since most were educated in the 8-4-4 system. I think everyone who wants something changed in the constitution should have a say so what I would propose is every interested party take the current constitution and then amend, add, subtract what they want and then submit their amended version to a referendum. Baba and his team can have constitution Orange, the governors can have constitution banana, the doctors can have constitution mango, another group pawpaw, strawberry, pineapple, guava etc. Let everybody go and campaign for his own fruit. So on the day of the referendum voters will have a menu where you choose one. The one that gets the most votes becomes the new constitution and then we move forward until the next menu.
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limanika		#145 Posted : Monday, August 18, 2014 9:35:42 AM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032		Kusadikika wrote: Njung'e wrote: Everyone seems to have a question to be included.....which means we will not be voting but rather sitting for an exam! I think Kenyans are used to that since most were educated in the 8-4-4 system. I think everyone who wants something changed in the constitution should have a say so what I would propose is every interested party take the current constitution and then amend, add, subtract what they want and then submit their amended version to a referendum. Baba and his team can have constitution Orange, the governors can have constitution banana, the doctors can have constitution mango, another group pawpaw, strawberry, pineapple, guava etc. Let everybody go and campaign for his own fruit. So on the day of the referendum voters will have a menu where you choose one. The one that gets the most votes becomes the new constitution and then we move forward until the next menu. This thing is mutating every day, finally we will end up with a situation unprecedented by katiba. There is no provision to have 2 referendums at once! Moreso different proposals to ammend same clauses!
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Jump-steady		#146 Posted : Monday, August 18, 2014 11:22:51 AM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/1/2008 Posts: 1,098		Kusadikika wrote: Njung'e wrote: Everyone seems to have a question to be included.....which means we will not be voting but rather sitting for an exam! I think Kenyans are used to that since most were educated in the 8-4-4 system. I think everyone who wants something changed in the constitution should have a say so what I would propose is every interested party take the current constitution and then amend, add, subtract what they want and then submit their amended version to a referendum. Baba and his team can have constitution Orange, the governors can have constitution banana, the doctors can have constitution mango, another group pawpaw, strawberry, pineapple, guava etc. Let everybody go and campaign for his own fruit. So on the day of the referendum voters will have a menu where you choose one. The one that gets the most votes becomes the new constitution and then we move forward until the next menu. You can be sure no one will be touching the watermelon When we have exhausted all the fruits, can we have vegetables?
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kivairu		#147 Posted : Monday, August 18, 2014 3:01:12 PM
Rank: Member Joined: 3/5/2008 Posts: 532 Location: Nairobi		2012 wrote: I hope this referendum could happen like yesterday so we can send baba into retirement again for the tenth time. In your 'Infinity wisdom', after thinking long and hard, referendum=Baba Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value. –Albert Einstein.
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washiku		#148 Posted : Monday, August 18, 2014 3:58:04 PM
Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095		Maybe we should also get rid of the 50+1 thing. I doesn't add so much value, after all. Does it? A needy child's education depends on you. Click here to assist
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limanika		#149 Posted : Monday, August 18, 2014 4:29:57 PM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032		washiku wrote: Maybe we should also get rid of the 50+1 thing. I doesn't add so much value, after all. Does it? That was put in place to avoid scenario like when moi used to win with 35% yet fragmented opposition had the majority at 65%. Very important 4 posterity. My suggestion is that any pork and dpork who get above15% get direct nomination to Senate and national assembly respectively, to represent their parties. We wouldn't be talking about referendum now, aliar would have taken us through a different but easier to handle crisis. Such people could become threat to national security when they are too idle
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harrydre		#150 Posted : Tuesday, August 19, 2014 12:43:25 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo		limanika wrote: washiku wrote: Maybe we should also get rid of the 50+1 thing. I doesn't add so much value, after all. Does it? That was put in place to avoid scenario like when moi used to win with 35% yet fragmented opposition had the majority at 65%. Very important 4 posterity. My suggestion is that any pork and dpork who get above15% get direct nomination to Senate and national assembly respectively, to represent their parties. We wouldn't be talking about referendum now, aliar would have taken us through a different but easier to handle crisis. Such people could become threat to national security when they are too idle OaR's ego will not allow him to sit in the senate/Parliament. Not when he has already become the PM of Kenya! A guy who can't accept "Former PM" and still insists Bill Clinton is Mr. President...c'mon! ION....Kunaendaje huku? i.am.back!!!!
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