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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Lolest! wrote:Quote:Wakati firimbi ililia those centuries ago..where were these Africans? Where were your ancestors dear Lolest?
Who is asking them to cover what the West did in so many years in 50years? Are we supposed to do every mistake they made, like two world wars, so as to be them? they were still wearing ngozi ya kondoo, marrying many wives, dying from many ailments and fighting petty wars for livestock. And no, we cannot, and will not make every mistake they made. But western 'civilisation' cannot be expected to be absorbed within a day! when did mzungu start embracing gays? just the other day! Today he tells us that because he saw the 'light' that gay rights are human rights, we too must salimu amri and follow him that yuckish route. Imagine telling that to people in a continent where inter-tribal cattle rustling is still common! Cut Mwafrika some slack. There is hope in Africa. We haven't arrived yet, but we'll get there! There's nothing like a Western civilization to aspire to. Such aspirations are results of colonial indoctrination.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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forget aping the west... this should be our drive... IMPROVING THE LIVES OF AFRICAN PEOPLE. everything should be based on that... not BEING SEEN AS EQUALS TO THE WHITES/YELLOWS/BROWNS. I guess we are all on the same page on this sio? We all want our kids to live better lives, we all want to live fairly peaceful lives bila thugs knocking at your door or stealing your cars when you go run marathons. we want good hospital services for us and our children. We want transport systems that get you from A to B cheaply and without problems. We want our children to have meaningful education that will enable them to provide and build/sustain a society that does all that have been mentioned above -sio? my angle... let's do a CAUSE ---> EFFECT map. We are doing A because the effect is B! demonstrated... you buy a house so that u don't need to pay rent (where you don't own squat even after 10 years of rent) but rather pay morgage (buying your house one month at a time) - makes sense right? That is what I want! draw a path between age of 'leaders' and the future we all want.... not some obscure and incomplete mathematics on ages and mapping that to the west. Heck who said we are 25 years behind the west? What is the gauge? Have we gone to the moon? they did that over 40 years ago.... do we have nukes? they did that over 50 years ago... they are using smart phones... we are also using smartphones like them.... problems zetu ni mingi let's fix real problems and leave imaginary ones to philosophers like tycho All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:forget aping the west... this should be our drive... IMPROVING THE LIVES OF AFRICAN PEOPLE. everything should be based on that... not BEING SEEN AS EQUALS TO THE WHITES/YELLOWS/BROWNS.
I guess we are all on the same page on this sio? We all want our kids to live better lives, we all want to live fairly peaceful lives bila thugs knocking at your door or stealing your cars when you go run marathons. we want good hospital services for us and our children. We want transport systems that get you from A to B cheaply and without problems. We want our children to have meaningful education that will enable them to provide and build/sustain a society that does all that have been mentioned above -sio?
my angle... let's do a CAUSE ---> EFFECT map. We are doing A because the effect is B! demonstrated... you buy a house so that u don't need to pay rent (where you don't own squat even after 10 years of rent) but rather pay morgage (buying your house one month at a time) - makes sense right? That is what I want! draw a path between age of 'leaders' and the future we all want.... not some obscure and incomplete mathematics on ages and mapping that to the west. Heck who said we are 25 years behind the west? What is the gauge? Have we gone to the moon? they did that over 40 years ago.... do we have nukes? they did that over 50 years ago... they are using smart phones... we are also using smartphones like them.... problems zetu ni mingi let's fix real problems and leave imaginary ones to philosophers like tycho All problems are imaginary. Cause and effect are imaginary too. The 'problem' is not about 'us'; it's about 'you' first.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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masukuma wrote: this should be our drive... IMPROVING THE LIVES OF AFRICAN PEOPLE. everything should be based on that...
Yes our elected and appointed leaders have been and are busy doing that,improving our lives.. But what standards are they using? See if we look west for standards,we must stand ready to be gauged by those standards. But do we have our own standards? of course we do! most of which fall below the globally accepted standards,that make it possible for us to transact or engage on different levels. That inadequacy has the effect of confining/restricting us to'less attractive' zones and so the top runners will always be from the west,cz they have more advantage/access. The disconnect is evident,we depend on the west to facilitate our ABCD's but the west do not need the results of our ABCD's. We suck from the west but cannot feed the west. Let's be real. 'Our standards which we so dearly love are not globally friendly- please don't ask me who determines what is friendly or not,because we do not run the global markets..they run us. In short,the global (read western)standards work in our favour because of markets, but our standards only serve to restrict us. And by the way what standards are we even discussing? Is it Moral/Business/Political/Religious because we are now all over the place generalizing.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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kysse wrote:masukuma wrote: this should be our drive... IMPROVING THE LIVES OF AFRICAN PEOPLE. everything should be based on that...
Yes our elected and appointed leaders have been and are busy doing that,improving our lives.. But what standards are they using? See if we look west for standards,we must stand ready to be gauged by those standards. But do we have our own standards? of course we do! most of which fall below the globally accepted standards,that make it possible for us to transact or engage on different levels. That inadequacy has the effect of confining/restricting us to'less attractive' zones and so the top runners will always be from the west,cz they have more advantage/access. The disconnect is evident,we depend on the west to facilitate our ABCD's but the west do not need the results of our ABCD's. We suck from the west but cannot feed the west. Let's be real. 'Our standards which we so dearly love are not globally friendly- please don't ask me who determines what is friendly or not,because we do not run the global markets..they run us. In short,the global (read western)standards work in our favour because of markets, but our standards only serve to restrict us. And by the way what standards are we even discussing? Is it Moral/Business/Political/Religious because we are now all over the place generalizing. Global standards don't necessarily work for Africans. In fact, they are probably more harmful than good.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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tycho wrote:kysse wrote:masukuma wrote: this should be our drive... IMPROVING THE LIVES OF AFRICAN PEOPLE. everything should be based on that...
Yes our elected and appointed leaders have been and are busy doing that,improving our lives.. But what standards are they using? See if we look west for standards,we must stand ready to be gauged by those standards. But do we have our own standards? of course we do! most of which fall below the globally accepted standards,that make it possible for us to transact or engage on different levels. That inadequacy has the effect of confining/restricting us to'less attractive' zones and so the top runners will always be from the west,cz they have more advantage/access. The disconnect is evident,we depend on the west to facilitate our ABCD's but the west do not need the results of our ABCD's. We suck from the west but cannot feed the west. Let's be real. 'Our standards which we so dearly love are not globally friendly- please don't ask me who determines what is friendly or not,because we do not run the global markets..they run us. In short,the global (read western)standards work in our favour because of markets, but our standards only serve to restrict us. And by the way what standards are we even discussing? Is it Moral/Business/Political/Religious because we are now all over the place generalizing. Global standards don't necessarily work for Africans. In fact, they are probably more harmful than good. Brings us back to the old question,can Africa do without the West?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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kysse wrote:tycho wrote:kysse wrote:masukuma wrote: this should be our drive... IMPROVING THE LIVES OF AFRICAN PEOPLE. everything should be based on that...
Yes our elected and appointed leaders have been and are busy doing that,improving our lives.. But what standards are they using? See if we look west for standards,we must stand ready to be gauged by those standards. But do we have our own standards? of course we do! most of which fall below the globally accepted standards,that make it possible for us to transact or engage on different levels. That inadequacy has the effect of confining/restricting us to'less attractive' zones and so the top runners will always be from the west,cz they have more advantage/access. The disconnect is evident,we depend on the west to facilitate our ABCD's but the west do not need the results of our ABCD's. We suck from the west but cannot feed the west. Let's be real. 'Our standards which we so dearly love are not globally friendly- please don't ask me who determines what is friendly or not,because we do not run the global markets..they run us. In short,the global (read western)standards work in our favour because of markets, but our standards only serve to restrict us. And by the way what standards are we even discussing? Is it Moral/Business/Political/Religious because we are now all over the place generalizing. Global standards don't necessarily work for Africans. In fact, they are probably more harmful than good. Brings us back to the old question,can Africa do without the West? It's not about people excluding others. It's about finding ways of living in mutuality. The African must engineer a turnaround in the mind.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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kysse wrote:masukuma wrote: this should be our drive... IMPROVING THE LIVES OF AFRICAN PEOPLE. everything should be based on that...
Yes our elected and appointed leaders have been and are busy doing that,improving our lives.. But what standards are they using? See if we look west for standards,we must stand ready to be gauged by those standards. But do we have our own standards? of course we do! most of which fall below the globally accepted standards,that make it possible for us to transact or engage on different levels. That inadequacy has the effect of confining/restricting us to'less attractive' zones and so the top runners will always be from the west,cz they have more advantage/access. The disconnect is evident,we depend on the west to facilitate our ABCD's but the west do not need the results of our ABCD's. We suck from the west but cannot feed the west. Let's be real. 'Our standards which we so dearly love are not globally friendly- please don't ask me who determines what is friendly or not,because we do not run the global markets..they run us. In short,the global (read western)standards work in our favour because of markets, but our standards only serve to restrict us. And by the way what standards are we even discussing? Is it Moral/Business/Political/Religious because we are now all over the place generalizing. indeed what 'standards' are these? get on flight going out of Kenya heading west and see - lots and lots of Africans (most of them will never return) get on a flight back in here and see lots and lots of Asians esp. chinese coming in - this is my question. if we have nothing to offer or what ever we offer sucks - why do people bother? again... we should stop asking ourselves what are we offering the world but rather be inward looking and ask ourselves - what are we offering ourselves. Until you can find peace within... forget it! until a company can service a local job satisfactorily... forget the external market. Everyone seems to be looking after no. 1 except Africans. We love 'standards'... there is no way the first version of a Car will look like the current version of the BWM 7 series, there is no way our first phone or smartphone will compare to the iPhone 5s or S5. but someone has to take a chance on product version 1.0. some people will call it mediocrity some people will want to be seen with imported stuff to pad their egos - that is fine. but the role of our gava should be to take a chance on these people... with time. Let me reiterate - there is no way in hell... earth... elysium... or any combination of after lifes that a product version 1.0 will look like a product version 9999 that the west is having now BUT IF YOU ARE REALLY SERIOUS ABOUT WANTING TO GET CLOSE TO 'STANDARD'... turn a blind eye and buy ver. 1.0. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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tycho wrote:
It's not about people excluding others. It's about finding ways of living in mutuality.
The African must engineer a turnaround in the mind.
Yes tycho but we go to be practical not theoretical,Flexible and not rigid. It's a strange world,where the powerful rule,make decisions and set standards for us to follow before they can incorporate us into their world. So mutuality is a conference word meant to appease the masses. We can engineer our minds, but the world will engineer our works/output.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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kysse wrote:tycho wrote:
It's not about people excluding others. It's about finding ways of living in mutuality.
The African must engineer a turnaround in the mind.
Yes tycho but we go to be practical not theoretical,Flexible and not rigid. It's a strange world,where the powerful rule,make decisions and set standards for us to follow before they can incorporate us into their world. So mutuality is a conference word meant to appease the masses. We can engineer our minds, but the world will engineer our works/output. What's 'practicality' being reactive? Playing victim? If 'practical' is about action, then know anything is possible but we make the choices. Choice is in the mind. How can a mind be re-engineered if mutualism is just an empty word? It's ideas like this that show how some of our minds are conflicted.
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