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McReggae wrote:masukuma wrote:Othelo wrote:
Kamangu's win was chap chap. What @McR is saying and supported by @masukuma the insider is that the more the delays the more it is or seen to be doctored! Announce provisional mara moja!
credible elections are perceptions not realities. the nice thing about provisional results are that they are transmitted from the polling station. this means that the polling station is isolated from the happenings around and the figure is so small - the largest should have 1000 people max in urban areas and average may be kitu 200...300 people max (I need to clarify this). in rural areas utakuta 45 people...50 people per station. transmission from these cells that are insulated from the happenings elsewhere (i.e. a polling station in west pokot does not know how 'Kericho is voting' or 'Nairobi is voting' e.t.c. it simply transmits how it's 30 people voted... that is all.) gives the poll a credibility! results are transmitted in the presence of agents and voters who stuck around to count.... maneno kwisha! perceptions are created that the election was not 'tampered' with. Losers accept defeat mapema... same day... kenya moves on! hakuna margin ya kusema 'it was doctored'... wapi? unless haukuwa na agent kwa polling station... sasa wewe huwezi saidika! Problems is their can never do this where the big seat is concerned, the figure must be 'right'!!!! Box stuffing, imaginery voters, multiple voters, friendly zone doctoring by all agents, the list is endless!!!! there are two things 1. what happens at the polling station (the room where you vote) 2. what happens outside the polling station what provisional results transmission is intended to show you WHAT HAPPENS AT THE POLLING STATION. If you have colluded with everyone in that polling station (voters, Agents of candidates, Security, Polling Clerks and Presiding officers) - this system cannot prevent you from transmitting 'fake' results. but remember that the gain is very small and the logistical challenge to compromise people from a huge section of the 30k+ polling stations is huge! Kama ku-hire agent wako - a person you give 1k ni ngumu for all those polling stations think about corrupting All those Clerks, security people and presiding officers. The idea is to reduces the field for gerrymandering or even perceived gerrymandering! By the way - it was designed in this way even for GE. Technical reasons made it fail not some higher ups deciding who was to be president e.t.c. That is why people at the IEBC were very disappointed as it was supposed to be THEIR NIGHT... THEIR FINEST HOUR! You think Hassan is happy? He is not... there are days you make money and there are days you write history March 2013 was the day we were to write history.... it was never to be! people still click to this day when they remember that lost opportunity. We will prove doubters in 2017... kazi SMART is coming your way... SMART! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:McReggae wrote:masukuma wrote:Othelo wrote:
Kamangu's win was chap chap. What @McR is saying and supported by @masukuma the insider is that the more the delays the more it is or seen to be doctored! Announce provisional mara moja!
credible elections are perceptions not realities. the nice thing about provisional results are that they are transmitted from the polling station. this means that the polling station is isolated from the happenings around and the figure is so small - the largest should have 1000 people max in urban areas and average may be kitu 200...300 people max (I need to clarify this). in rural areas utakuta 45 people...50 people per station. transmission from these cells that are insulated from the happenings elsewhere (i.e. a polling station in west pokot does not know how 'Kericho is voting' or 'Nairobi is voting' e.t.c. it simply transmits how it's 30 people voted... that is all.) gives the poll a credibility! results are transmitted in the presence of agents and voters who stuck around to count.... maneno kwisha! perceptions are created that the election was not 'tampered' with. Losers accept defeat mapema... same day... kenya moves on! hakuna margin ya kusema 'it was doctored'... wapi? unless haukuwa na agent kwa polling station... sasa wewe huwezi saidika! Problems is their can never do this where the big seat is concerned, the figure must be 'right'!!!! Box stuffing, imaginery voters, multiple voters, friendly zone doctoring by all agents, the list is endless!!!! there are two things 1. what happens at the polling station (the room where you vote) 2. what happens outside the polling station what provisional results transmission is intended to show you WHAT HAPPENS AT THE POLLING STATION. If you have colluded with everyone in that polling station (voters, Agents of candidates, Security, Polling Clerks and Presiding officers) - this system cannot prevent you from transmitting 'fake' results. but remember that the gain is very small and the logistical challenge to compromise people from a huge section of the 30k+ polling stations is huge! Kama ku-hire agent wako - a person you give 1k ni ngumu for all those polling stations think about corrupting All those Clerks, security people and presiding officers. The idea is to reduces the field for gerrymandering or even perceived gerrymandering! By the way - it was designed in this way even for GE. Technical reasons made it fail not some higher ups deciding who was to be president e.t.c. That is why people at the IEBC were very disappointed as it was supposed to be THEIR NIGHT... THEIR FINEST HOUR! people still click to this day when they remember that lost opportunity. We will prove doubters in 2017... kazi SMART is coming your way... SMART! Of cause it was made to fail, at your level pengine haukupata habari!!!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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McReggae wrote:
Of cause it was made to fail, at your level pengine haukupata habari!!!!!
hahaha... kama 'it was made to fail' ni mimi ningepewa hiyo habari! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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Talking of systems, the iebc provisional thing will always work as long as the scale is small, lakini at the presidential level ni ngumu, the human input is too vital for comfort.
I am sure the technical side of things is not very complex, lakini as long as you have a ka jama at the polling station pushing some buttons to submit the data, itakuwa shida at the presidential level, strongholds will always want to push their data last.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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nakujua wrote:Talking of systems, the iebc provisional thing will always work as long as the scale is small, lakini at the presidential level ni ngumu, the human input is too vital for comfort.
I am sure the technical side of things is not very complex, lakini as long as you have a ka jama at the polling station pushing some buttons to submit the data, itakuwa shida at the presidential level, strongholds will always want to push their data last. thus the procedures and processes! systems are made up of 4 components 1. hardware 2. software 3. people 4. procedures and processes getting the last 2 working is the difficult thing... but we are getting there... each by-election enables us to test these procedures and processes and polish up. halafu munataka hii commission yote iende home mulete watu wapya ndio waanze step 0! bure kabisa! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:McReggae wrote:
Of cause it was made to fail, at your level pengine haukupata habari!!!!!
hahaha... kama 'it was made to fail' ni mimi ningepewa hiyo habari!  Your never know your back up in such a set up!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:nakujua wrote:Talking of systems, the iebc provisional thing will always work as long as the scale is small, lakini at the presidential level ni ngumu, the human input is too vital for comfort.
I am sure the technical side of things is not very complex, lakini as long as you have a ka jama at the polling station pushing some buttons to submit the data, itakuwa shida at the presidential level, strongholds will always want to push their data last. thus the procedures and processes! systems are made up of 4 components 1. hardware 2. software 3. people 4. procedures and processes getting the last 2 working is the difficult thing... but we are getting there... each by-election enables us to test these procedures and processes and polish up. halafu munataka hii commission yote iende home mulete watu wapya ndio waanze step 0! bure kabisa! The fact is the commission will never be fully independent, even if we change the current ones!!!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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McReggae wrote:
The fact is the commission will never be fully independent, even if we change the current ones!!!!!
perhaps we need to ask ourselves - what do we want from these people? do we want them to be devoid of any political interest? or do we want them to do their job professionally regardless of the result that comes out! since getting the first one is impossible! We just need people who are professional enough to set aside their political interests. actually, for your information the commission is not run by the commissioners you guys are hounding! these guys are like board heads - they meet every so often make decisions and the secretariat executes these decisions. the board itself is comprised of political appointees from both sides. the one thing they all agree on is LET'S DO THIS THING PROFESSIONALLY! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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masukuma wrote:nakujua wrote:Talking of systems, the iebc provisional thing will always work as long as the scale is small, lakini at the presidential level ni ngumu, the human input is too vital for comfort.
I am sure the technical side of things is not very complex, lakini as long as you have a ka jama at the polling station pushing some buttons to submit the data, itakuwa shida at the presidential level, strongholds will always want to push their data last. thus the procedures and processes! systems are made up of 4 components 1. hardware 2. software 3. people 4. procedures and processes getting the last 2 working is the difficult thing... but we are getting there... each by-election enables us to test these procedures and processes and polish up. halafu munataka hii commission yote iende home mulete watu wapya ndio waanze step 0! bure kabisa! people ni ngumu, you should think of replacing the tiny mobile gadgets they use to send the figures, they are too secretive, since cash is not shida - weka touch screens kubwa kama ile ya kbc world cup - ana bonyeza figures that everyone in the room can see then use their finger print to transmit them - wacha niendele kulala, the dreams are getting better
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