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Nabwire wrote:murchr wrote:But Nabwire isnt that the same story in almost everywhere in Africa? No its not. In Nigeria, there is really no point in holding elections, they already know who the winner is long before the elections. In Kenya there is some rigging and its usually on both sides, but atleast the people's votes are counted. In Nigeria, its announced that the Presidential candidate got say 10 million votes from some Northern state, yet the population there is maybe 8 million, coz they know no one will dare go to Boko Haram territory to monitor or count the votes. The decision of who will be President is decided by the elites, the citizens voting is just cosmetic. Atleast in Kenya Uhuru had to sweat bullets, hold rallies and convince people to vote for him. If you understand Kenyan politics very well, it is very easy to tell who will be the next president a month to elections. It doesn't matter how tight the race is.
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How big is Nigerian economy?  That big. Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi
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Nabwire elections elsewhere in Africa are held in the same way, Kenia is the only civil country these sides of the sahara. But everywhere in the world wenye pesa ndio uchagua, the rest just escourt. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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A key reason is Nigeria is a resource-rich country and here I am talking about oil & gas. Large oil reserves means speedy recovery from serious governance and economic shocks compared to a resource-poor country like Kenya all other factors constant. Kenya's economy was screwed by the Professor of Politics for 20 years. Nigeria was screwed by its military dictatorships for decades. When a more economically-literate president checked in for Kenya, it was a slow climb back up. But because of oil, Nigeria simply pumped oil/gas and revenues shot up when its politics somewhat stabilized. Nigeria's GDP per capita was less than Kenya's a decade or so ago but just a little stability gave it the conditions to overtake Kenya's even before rebasing. You can see the same thing in Angola which after decades of war, has skyrocketed far beyond Kenya's GDP despite having a smaller economy than Kenya in 2003. You can also see the power of oil in Nigeria by how weak the country's non-oil revenue is - just double or 2.5 times Kenya's despite having an economy 10 times ours. All in all, Professor of Politics f***ed up Kenya economically real good. But as @masukuma says, GDP is just one part of the story albeit an important one. Kenya has better indicators than both Nigeria and Angola on several fronts. Plus resource-powered GDP growth can be deceptive as seen with countries like Angola (Nigeria is more diversified). Nigeria's two GDP advantages are population and oil which makes it very hard for any other African country to compete with them as long they have decent political stability. All my friends are heathens, take it slow. Wait for them to ask you who you know. Please don't make any sudden moves.
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innairobi wrote:A key reason is Nigeria is a resource-rich country and here I am talking about oil & gas. Large oil reserves means speedy recovery from serious governance and economic shocks compared to a resource-poor country like Kenya all other factors constant.
Kenya's economy was screwed by the Professor of Politics for 20 years. Nigeria was screwed by its military dictatorships for decades. When a more economically-literate president checked in for Kenya, it was a slow climb back up. But because of oil, Nigeria simply pumped oil/gas and revenues shot up when its politics somewhat stabilized. Nigeria's GDP per capita was less than Kenya's a decade or so ago but just a little stability gave it the conditions to overtake Kenya's even before rebasing. You can see the same thing in Angola which after decades of war, has skyrocketed far beyond Kenya's GDP despite having a smaller economy than Kenya in 2003. You can also see the power of oil in Nigeria by how weak the country's non-oil revenue is - just double or 2.5 times Kenya's despite having an economy 10 times ours.
All in all, Professor of Politics f***ed up Kenya economically real good. But as @masukuma says, GDP is just one part of the story albeit an important one. Kenya has better indicators than both Nigeria and Angola on several fronts. Plus resource-powered GDP growth can be deceptive as seen with countries like Angola (Nigeria is more diversified). Nigeria's two GDP advantages are population and oil which makes it very hard for any other African country to compete with them as long they have decent political stability. Was Prof Kenya1 a decade ago when we were ahead of Angola and Nigeria as you purport? Your allegations do not add up. Just the usual blames being piled on M01.
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urstill1 wrote:innairobi wrote:A key reason is Nigeria is a resource-rich country and here I am talking about oil & gas. Large oil reserves means speedy recovery from serious governance and economic shocks compared to a resource-poor country like Kenya all other factors constant.
Kenya's economy was screwed by the Professor of Politics for 20 years. Nigeria was screwed by its military dictatorships for decades. When a more economically-literate president checked in for Kenya, it was a slow climb back up. But because of oil, Nigeria simply pumped oil/gas and revenues shot up when its politics somewhat stabilized. Nigeria's GDP per capita was less than Kenya's a decade or so ago but just a little stability gave it the conditions to overtake Kenya's even before rebasing. You can see the same thing in Angola which after decades of war, has skyrocketed far beyond Kenya's GDP despite having a smaller economy than Kenya in 2003. You can also see the power of oil in Nigeria by how weak the country's non-oil revenue is - just double or 2.5 times Kenya's despite having an economy 10 times ours.
All in all, Professor of Politics f***ed up Kenya economically real good. But as @masukuma says, GDP is just one part of the story albeit an important one. Kenya has better indicators than both Nigeria and Angola on several fronts. Plus resource-powered GDP growth can be deceptive as seen with countries like Angola (Nigeria is more diversified). Nigeria's two GDP advantages are population and oil which makes it very hard for any other African country to compete with them as long they have decent political stability. Was Prof Kenya1 a decade ago when we were ahead of Angola and Nigeria as you purport? Your allegations do not add up. Just the usual blames being piled on M01. See bold above. My point is, oil-based economies Nigeria/Angola recovered much faster than resource-poor Kenya did post-2002. Moi's economic mismanagement is unfortunately an unerasable disaster and there are already books/texts on Kenya's history to that effect. One of the few things Cord and Jubilee agree on. Kenya can make improvements going forward. But we cant hide from history. Professor will be blamed for his misdeeds like everyone else will. All my friends are heathens, take it slow. Wait for them to ask you who you know. Please don't make any sudden moves.
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urstill1 wrote:masukuma wrote:Fyatu wrote:washiku wrote:So, back to the question. How big is the Nigerian economy? The Nigerian economy is approximately 500b US dollars. Nigeria is the 6th biggest producer of irori in the World. It is the most populous country in Africa and 6th populous in the world. Despite its population, Nigeria is more than 50% forested. By 1900, Nigeria was already exporting things like Kimbo, Cowboy, Omo, and Guiness Kubwa. At this time most Kenyans, were walking around naked and most were hunter gatherers. Nigeria has an excess of 300 public universities. Attaining a D+ guarantees you a position in University....University education in Nigeria is universal. In Kenya we are still struggling to make primary education universal.. All oga's want to be entrepreneurs unlike in Kenya where almost everyone wants to be either an MCA, or a KYM at Safcom or NMG etc Nigeria is a full federal state. The ugatuzi we have in Kenya is jokes. even the igwes and their kingdoms have some level of autonomy and can bring in investors to their villages. Oga's as a people are full of spirit. Oga's think large and think big money. Oga's are in all corners of the world making mullah and repatriating the mullah back home. The reason why KQ is going big on Asia route is because Oga's discovered guangzhou long time ago...in short the Nigerian economy is big....very big Have you ever been on a KQ flight and wondered - who buys these 'duty free things'? When KQ flies to Oga land... hakuna duty free ya kurudisha! I love the Oga spirit... they make money left right center! When you go to an obscure part of the world... you will find them there 'hustling' that green passport imezunguka (why do they attach so many of them together? unakuta kama 4-5 pamoja). Ogas go abroad they don't want to be second to anyone... their culture is that lazima u head somewhere... hata kama ni cleaner - lazima akuwe head cleaner! ask yourself which ethnic group is the most educated in US? Naija oh! spirit! When you go to their country you just admire the passion. kutoka the taxi guy to the guy who sells stuff on the streets. Believe me when I say this - you will have been complimented if someone mistook you for a naija broda! @Fyatu only 12% of Nigeria is forested. Shhhhhh!! less than 3% of kenya is forested. Since we have never done any of such kind of studies, I have to mention the majuu one, the source is from UK. A study done in 2009. my bad @urstill1...i got my facts wrong on the forest cover...but lets face it...12% forrest cover in a country of 150 million is quite impressive...River Niger is also a major asset when it comes to food security Back to the debate...i concur that one biggest advantage of Oga's is their consumer-ism. Ogas dont buy things like rice or sugar by 1kg or 2kg...they buy them in 50kgs quantity etc. In Oga land people drive GMC's, Ferrari's etc. The other advantage is their deep cultural values..e.g., if an Oga makes it in business he goes back in the village and pick two or three boys and girls as his apprentices and after some period gives them capital to go start their own thing. Still on culture..Naija has produced serious authors, musicians and even thespians. Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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innairobi wrote:urstill1 wrote:innairobi wrote:A key reason is Nigeria is a resource-rich country and here I am talking about oil & gas. Large oil reserves means speedy recovery from serious governance and economic shocks compared to a resource-poor country like Kenya all other factors constant.
Kenya's economy was screwed by the Professor of Politics for 20 years. Nigeria was screwed by its military dictatorships for decades. When a more economically-literate president checked in for Kenya, it was a slow climb back up. But because of oil, Nigeria simply pumped oil/gas and revenues shot up when its politics somewhat stabilized. Nigeria's GDP per capita was less than Kenya's a decade or so ago but just a little stability gave it the conditions to overtake Kenya's even before rebasing. You can see the same thing in Angola which after decades of war, has skyrocketed far beyond Kenya's GDP despite having a smaller economy than Kenya in 2003. You can also see the power of oil in Nigeria by how weak the country's non-oil revenue is - just double or 2.5 times Kenya's despite having an economy 10 times ours.
All in all, Professor of Politics f***ed up Kenya economically real good. But as @masukuma says, GDP is just one part of the story albeit an important one. Kenya has better indicators than both Nigeria and Angola on several fronts. Plus resource-powered GDP growth can be deceptive as seen with countries like Angola (Nigeria is more diversified). Nigeria's two GDP advantages are population and oil which makes it very hard for any other African country to compete with them as long they have decent political stability. Was Prof Kenya1 a decade ago when we were ahead of Angola and Nigeria as you purport? Your allegations do not add up. Just the usual blames being piled on M01. See bold above. My point is, oil-based economies Nigeria/Angola recovered much faster than resource-poor Kenya did post-2002. Moi's economic mismanagement is unfortunately an unerasable disaster and there are already books/texts on Kenya's history to that effect. One of the few things Cord and Jubilee agree on. Kenya can make improvements going forward. But we cant hide from history. Professor will be blamed for his misdeeds like everyone else will. i agree with your analysis. The Red part a little sticky though! Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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Alba wrote:Swenani wrote:Alba wrote:As I said earlier, Naija is a tribal society but far less tribal than Kenya. Their elections are more issue based. They actually vote on issues like security as opposed to Kenya where elections are 95% tribal. Wale hawana tyranny of tribalism wala tyranny of numbers. Naija man just wants to hustle and make money and will vote for whomever enables him to make money.
That makes a huge difference because presidents are actually held accountable for on the job performance. I think they have the tyranny of Numbers.Thats why the presidency rotates between the North and South,atleast for the PDP party(two terms each-its not in constitution but a gentleman agreements-They should take kibaki there) If they had tyranny of numbers then presidents would be from the big ethnic groups. Note that Hausa are the largest ethnic group yet there has never been a Hausa president. In fact most Naija presidents have been from very small ethnic groups. Goodluck is Ijaw which is about 3-5% of the populace. Thats like Kenya having a Pokomo or Teso as president. When Obasanjo ran for election, his own Yorubas rejected him. He got most of his votes from the Southeast. The good thing about having a president from a small ethnic group is that he more likely to be held accountable for performance unlike the damaging psycophancy that prevails in Kenya. Alba... are you talking from facts? Nigerian presidents pre and post the military shenanigans have been from the BIG tribes, Yoruba and Igbo, then the Northerners took over and held it via military power. The Igbo consider the Yoruba sellouts. the Yoruba consider the Igbo's unlearned, The igbo consider themselves the cog of Nigeria due to their trading and other national contributions like sports (like Kenyan runners coming from RV) most Nigerian footballers are Igbo. Yorubas have the scholars and a town in Yoruba land has the highest no. of professors in Africa (dont know if they still hold that title) The two do not like the northerners courtesy of religion and military rules. but the Yoruba because of controlling Lagos, the commercial centre tend to favour peace over an Igbo man (again look at past military govts). This led to the North south Gentleman's agreement. which as it appears Obasanjo played the Northerners proper, hence their demands. As for consumption, the country is made up of consumers. 9jas live big.. big houses, big meals, big cars (imports from USA) and its all courtesy of petrodollars. for information, they used to be food exporters, but with war/corruption and size of country they became net importers (you cannot get fresh milk in Nigeria, all powdered) 80% of anything manufactured of what you get in 9ja will probably be imported. Oil has made them kinda lazy. It is only recently when Mugabe chased away his farmers that Nigeria has started growing foodstuff again.
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Like many of his generation, Atiku's father was opposed to the idea of Western education, and tried to keep Atiku out of the traditional school system. When the government discovered that Atiku was not attending mandatory schooling his father spent a few days in jail until Aisha Kande's mother paid the fine.[1] At the age of eight Atiku enrolled in the Jada Primary School where he performed wellIn Nigeria the govt can arrest a parent for not taking his/her kid to school as can be seen with the former Nigeria VP parents back in the 50's. There was mandatory education then, I wonder what's there now. Did you know that Goodluck has PhD in Zoology, earned not honorary (Bachelors to Masters to PhD). I do not mean that those credential make one a good leader but they have a huge effect. Now these GDP and PPP differences between KE and Nigeria are getting clearer.
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