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A moral dilemna
mwanitu
#11 Posted : Tuesday, December 29, 2009 1:10:43 PM
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Untill our systems are changed in a way that will safeguard the complainant, ours will continue to be a MAN EAT MAN SOCIETY. I'm not a pessimist but somethings are just easier said than done....this is one of them.
AM NOT A SAINT, UNLESS A SAINT TO YOU IS A SINNER WHO KEEPS ON TRYING
muganda
#12 Posted : Tuesday, December 29, 2009 1:35:56 PM
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I have to agree, always ascribed to no-bribing principle until...

-I was caught by cops for speaking on mobile phone
-refused to bribe and sent to Police station at 11am
-where I asked to pay bail and was told NO just wait to go to court
-had to deposit phone, cash, shoe, belt and wait in Cell
-stayed in Cell for almost 4.5 hours until another police good samaritan [who was removing another convict] convinced cops to let me use my phone plus the cash they had booked in to pay bail

Then look at the other scenario where laws say you should only be charged 70/= for Sat parking but City Council conveniently charge 140/= even for 20mins on Sat. Heck, I took the wrong choice.
kadonye
#13 Posted : Tuesday, December 29, 2009 1:55:45 PM
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I get very scared every time i think about corruption.The number of corrupt in Kenya should be very close to 100pc if not 100pc.Hw many of us bribe to escape the punishment we deserve?how many will use the influence of a relative or a friend to get a contract, a job or a place in a secondary sch?Yet we rant when our politicians are caught in the same!
What a wicked man I am!The things I want to do,I don't do.The things I don't want to do I find myself doing
muganda
#14 Posted : Tuesday, December 29, 2009 2:23:24 PM
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@kadonye the answer is 100%, we are all capable of corruption [wrong doing]. But perhaps you simplify the issue, I'd say most people are capable of doing the right thing when it comes to punishment we deserve.

What puts the principle to the mettle is how many of us bribe to escape the punishment we DO NOT deserve? Make the @selah or @mukiha's choice even when it costs painfully to do so. That my friend is true test of principle.
Zakumi
#15 Posted : Tuesday, December 29, 2009 2:32:34 PM
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@mukiha,hehe!ofcourse lumberjerks.i hd an xp wit those kra guys recently & i cn assure you they've mastered the art of soliciting bribes,kwanza the walk in threez;one is very friendly & understanding the other is very harsh and the 3rd is quiet.

Their trick,js lyk the council askaris & police,is to compel you to bribe the mr. Understanding,avoid mr.harshnes while mr. Quiet looks on.so b aware.
The Strong Do What They Want,The Weak Do What They Must!
Kamaa
#16 Posted : Wednesday, December 30, 2009 4:48:16 AM
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@za10 i c uve brushed shoulders with em.. mr. harshness harasses until mr. understanding intervenes with a corrupt solution..
When you hear what I say, you will not understand. When you see what I do, you will not comprehend
simonkabz
#17 Posted : Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:01:39 AM
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My time is too precious. I can pay just to get such f***s off ma face....If I were to strictly follow Mukiha, someone would end up dead...
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
VituVingiSana
#18 Posted : Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:58:50 AM
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@mukiha - I know the feeling... I had to fork out 5k + waste 2 days to get my driver out.

After all was done, my dereva asked me... Boss, why didn't you just bribe?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
marting
#19 Posted : Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:25:31 AM
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is it really still a moral dilemma or we found a convenient solution...bribe all the way.How the hell do we ever expect to get ourselves out of this hole if we cant stop digging? and we complain/ are shocked when grand theft exists, when we loose education funds, HIV/AIDS donor support and the rest?
dont get me wrong, i agree with kadonye that 100% of kenyans are corrupt, but the only way to stop this is if we stop ourselves.
traveling around we see that less corrupt societies, the population is the moral/ethical compass, THEY 1ST HOLD THEMSELVES ACCOUNTABLE THEN EXTEND THE SAME TO THEIR GOVTS!!
easy way outs will give us the same..high taxes, corrupt govt and institutions.
Simply "PUT UP or SHUT UP"
.Success is Intentional.
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