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13 Israeli IDF slaughtered in Gaza in one night!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AlphDoti
#121 Posted : Thursday, July 24, 2014 9:50:18 AM
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muganda wrote:
poundfoolish wrote:
How many times have we heard Baby Satrin and all the others who died in Westgate were bound to die because they are Kuffars and as long as you are not fighting Jihad or Moslem you are enemy?

This two religions meet at some point.. 'an eye for an eye' and 'if you play dirty we play dirty'.. kwisha!

Then the wars began...
In 1947 the UN General Assembly approved for the partition of Palestine with 33 votes in favour versus 13 against (all 10 Arab states). Arab States vowed... "We will sweep them [the Jews] into the sea. We shall eradicate Zionism"

• So Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Iraq invaded Israel on 15-May-1948
• Next round, Egypt triggered the Suez Crisis against Israel on 29-Oct-1956
• Egypt, Jorday, Syria, Iraq led the Six Day war of 05-Jun-1967 with a truly embarrasing outcome
• Aggrieved Egypt, Syria crossed the Suez canal for the Yom Kippur war from 6-Oct-1973 almost provoking a World War leading to Camp David Accords
• Palestinians began the First Intifada in Dec 1987, Second Intifada in Sep 2000 etc etc.

In short @poundfoolish, Arabs have frequently been the aggressors. Israel learnt to defend itself with deadly force. There are no saints in the equation.

poundfoolish wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
In Gaza, Israel's right to defend herself seems to be crossing the line into war crimes territory. But the countries who matter in the arab world wont raise a finger i.e. Saudi arabia, Egypt et.al. I have been a great admirer of Israel but the death of 7 Palestine kids has left a bad taste in my mouth.

Since when did justice stop being a black and white affair ? Why so many gray areas ? Why is the world so f#*+g messed up ?

On that 'little matter' of lines... they were crossed when the Jihadists declared war on anybody (children included) anywhere (even at the North pole) who is Kuffar (Including your investments).
Sadly Israel understands its old enemy well. both factions believe in an eye for an eye.
3 Israeli kids were kidnapped and killed....

What people are being told, or what you see on TV, the CNN, the Aljazeera, the BBC etc is very different from the reality.
You will be told so and so kidnapped Israeli child and killed them.
That might not be true, it might just be a lie to justify what they want to achieve, and you know what they want to achieve:

INVASION

And many say oh these religions allow eye for an eye...
Are you saying when it comes to Jews there is civilized way to fight?
Are you saying it is justifiable for Jews to kill thousands of civilians and dismiss this as collateral damage?

Nobody has the right to kill civilians, even if an enemy kill our civilians, we don't have the right to do the same.

In Islam, Allah permits retaliation only against the guilty party, not against innocent.

So my friend, this is not about religion. This is political moves.
ecstacy
#122 Posted : Thursday, July 24, 2014 10:46:31 AM
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The latest death toll according to the Gaza Health Ministry is 701 Palestinians dead, 4550 injured at 0500 GMT.

At what number of dead and injured will Hamas agree to a ceasefire??

I guess 900 may be their "Ole Dengu"'s red line . So we still have a few more tunneled or apartment mounted rockets from residential areas to go..
B.Timer
#123 Posted : Thursday, July 24, 2014 11:00:46 AM
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@Alpha amazes me! Too much emotions but little material facts to match!

Always ignoring data from the opposite side. Only Palestinians/Arabs have all the truth and rights while everybody else is a consumer of western propaganda!
Amazing!

Which media outlets churn out better news for starters, so we may shift there!

Who is the aggressor in the current hostilities. Who is applying what kind of tactics.

As for me, I f were in Israel shoes I would not spare any effort in dealing with the aggressors whose unreasonable nature is well known in the world.

In their book, Israel ought not to exist! In fact in the PLO charter they unashamedly asserted that Israel was due to be destroyed!
They then went ahead to implement the destroying but they were repulsed and humbled. Who doubts that if the Arabs had a way they would destroy Israel even today!
So for Israel how else do you deal with nut cases who want you obliterated, and are incessantly launching attacks, and improvising ways and means to that end.

Dunia ni msongamano..
nakujua
#124 Posted : Thursday, July 24, 2014 11:22:49 AM
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B.Timer wrote:

@Alpha amazes me! Too much emotions but little material facts to match!

Always ignoring data from the opposite side. Only Palestinians/Arabs have all the truth and rights while everybody else is a consumer of western propaganda!
Amazing!

Which media outlets churn out better news for starters, so we may shift there!

Who is the aggressor in the current hostilities. Who is applying what kind of tactics.

As for me, I f were in Israel shoes I would not spare any effort in dealing with the aggressors whose unreasonable nature is well known in the world.

In their book, Israel ought not to exist! In fact in the PLO charter they unashamedly asserted that Israel was due to be destroyed!
They then went ahead to implement the destroying but they were repulsed and humbled. Who doubts that if the Arabs had a way they would destroy Israel even today!
So for Israel how else do you deal with nut cases who want you obliterated, and are incessantly launching attacks, and improvising ways and means to that end.


I don't always trust @alpha's views, but trusting a single media entity is foolhardy to say the least - you have access to the Internet and thus you have the opportunity to get information from all sides and make your conclusion, just to get you going anza na cnn, bbc and i24 news on one extreme and then switch to alteejah, aljazeera and bahrain news - if you want to get a sense of the balanced reporting jaribu french24 news or cctv news.

lakini you have a myriad of sources on-line, you would do yourself some good also getting to know the history of the region, and if you could go through the last ceasefire agreement between the sides, i think back in 2011/2012 you can make a better judgment on who is the aggressor.
madollar
#125 Posted : Thursday, July 24, 2014 11:57:01 AM
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ecstacy wrote:
The latest death toll according to the Gaza Health Ministry is 701 Palestinians dead, 4550 injured at 0500 GMT.

At what number of dead and injured will Hamas agree to a ceasefire??

I guess 900 may be their "Ole Dengu"'s red line . So we still have a few more tunneled or apartment mounted rockets from residential areas to go..


Hamas should aim all their rockets at ben gurion airport the israelis may just blink first if another ban is imposed

The country already feels under siege," Danin told The Wire. "Now with this new dimension added, people can't get out or in
nakujua
#126 Posted : Thursday, July 24, 2014 12:07:46 PM
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madollar wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
The latest death toll according to the Gaza Health Ministry is 701 Palestinians dead, 4550 injured at 0500 GMT.

At what number of dead and injured will Hamas agree to a ceasefire??

I guess 900 may be their "Ole Dengu"'s red line . So we still have a few more tunneled or apartment mounted rockets from residential areas to go..


Hamas should aim all their rockets at ben gurion airport the israelis may just blink first if another ban is imposed on that airport

now that would be touching a raw nerve - but definitely a game changer, since hamas would be reciprocating the blockade by the israelis by blockading their air space, shida ni hamas do not have much control over the launchers, most likely they just direct it out of the holes they are hidden in, set the timer and they disappear.
but the way the west is pushing putting into a corner, if they render his gas useless then he might just start selling those hi-tech missiles to all and sundry.
Caveman
#127 Posted : Thursday, July 24, 2014 12:16:22 PM
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madollar wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
The latest death toll according to the Gaza Health Ministry is 701 Palestinians dead, 4550 injured at 0500 GMT.

At what number of dead and injured will Hamas agree to a ceasefire??

I guess 900 may be their "Ole Dengu"'s red line . So we still have a few more tunneled or apartment mounted rockets from residential areas to go..


Hamas should aim all their rockets at ben gurion airport the israelis may just blink first if another ban is imposed

The country already feels under siege," Danin told The Wire. "Now with this new dimension added, people can't get out or in

Israelis do not know how to blink; maybe they will literally flatten Gaza as a consequence.
AlphDoti
#128 Posted : Thursday, July 24, 2014 12:39:00 PM
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nakujua wrote:
B.Timer wrote:

@Alpha amazes me! Too much emotions but little material facts to match!

Always ignoring data from the opposite side. Only Palestinians/Arabs have all the truth and rights while everybody else is a consumer of western propaganda!
Amazing!

Which media outlets churn out better news for starters, so we may shift there!

Who is the aggressor in the current hostilities. Who is applying what kind of tactics.

As for me, I f were in Israel shoes I would not spare any effort in dealing with the aggressors whose unreasonable nature is well known in the world.

In their book, Israel ought not to exist! In fact in the PLO charter they unashamedly asserted that Israel was due to be destroyed!
They then went ahead to implement the destroying but they were repulsed and humbled. Who doubts that if the Arabs had a way they would destroy Israel even today!
So for Israel how else do you deal with nut cases who want you obliterated, and are incessantly launching attacks, and improvising ways and means to that end.


I don't always trust @alpha's views, but trusting a single media entity is foolhardy to say the least - you have access to the Internet and thus you have the opportunity to get information from all sides and make your conclusion, just to get you going anza na cnn, bbc and i24 news on one extreme and then switch to alteejah, aljazeera and bahrain news - if you want to get a sense of the balanced reporting jaribu french24 news or cctv news.

lakini you have a myriad of sources on-line, you would do yourself some good also getting to know the history of the region, and if you could go through the last ceasefire agreement between the sides, i think back in 2011/2012 you can make a better judgment on who is the aggressor.

@nakujua has put it right.

You see if @b.timer had bothered to read history, he would have a more sober view.

There was no Israel state, until one day people sat down and proposed that the Jewish issue could be solved by resettling Jews in Madagascar or elsewhere in Africa or South America. But after discussing the pros and cons, they asserted that establishing a Jewish homeland in British Palestine is the best.

And Bingo!

They settled these people in a land belonging to some other people. Then they proceeded to fund an darmed these visitors to attack and kill and displace the Palestinians.

@b.timer please watch the below:
Gathige
#129 Posted : Thursday, July 24, 2014 12:56:23 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
nakujua wrote:
B.Timer wrote:

@Alpha amazes me! Too much emotions but little material facts to match!

Always ignoring data from the opposite side. Only Palestinians/Arabs have all the truth and rights while everybody else is a consumer of western propaganda!
Amazing!

Which media outlets churn out better news for starters, so we may shift there!

Who is the aggressor in the current hostilities. Who is applying what kind of tactics.

As for me, I f were in Israel shoes I would not spare any effort in dealing with the aggressors whose unreasonable nature is well known in the world.

In their book, Israel ought not to exist! In fact in the PLO charter they unashamedly asserted that Israel was due to be destroyed!
They then went ahead to implement the destroying but they were repulsed and humbled. Who doubts that if the Arabs had a way they would destroy Israel even today!
So for Israel how else do you deal with nut cases who want you obliterated, and are incessantly launching attacks, and improvising ways and means to that end.


I don't always trust @alpha's views, but trusting a single media entity is foolhardy to say the least - you have access to the Internet and thus you have the opportunity to get information from all sides and make your conclusion, just to get you going anza na cnn, bbc and i24 news on one extreme and then switch to alteejah, aljazeera and bahrain news - if you want to get a sense of the balanced reporting jaribu french24 news or cctv news.

lakini you have a myriad of sources on-line, you would do yourself some good also getting to know the history of the region, and if you could go through the last ceasefire agreement between the sides, i think back in 2011/2012 you can make a better judgment on who is the aggressor.

@nakujua has put it right.

You see if @b.timer had bothered to read history, he would have a more sober view.

There was no Israel state, until one day people sat down and proposed that the Jewish issue could be solved by resettling Jews in Madagascar or elsewhere in Africa or South America. But after discussing the pros and cons, they asserted that establishing a Jewish homeland in British Palestine is the best.

And Bingo!

They settled these people in a land belonging to some other people. Then they proceeded to fund an darmed these visitors to attack and kill and displace the Palestinians.

@b.timer please watch the below:



@AlphDoti, The video explains why the war will never end- propaganda on both sides justifying their hardline stand. The video is purely a Palestinian version and i am sure there is an Israeli version.

At least in Palestine, the Jihadists have met their match- an eye for an eye. All the Mujahedeens should move there and leave the rest of the world in peace.
"Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
AlphDoti
#130 Posted : Thursday, July 24, 2014 1:05:11 PM
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Gathige wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
nakujua wrote:
B.Timer wrote:

@Alpha amazes me! Too much emotions but little material facts to match!

Always ignoring data from the opposite side. Only Palestinians/Arabs have all the truth and rights while everybody else is a consumer of western propaganda!
Amazing!

Which media outlets churn out better news for starters, so we may shift there!

Who is the aggressor in the current hostilities. Who is applying what kind of tactics.

As for me, I f were in Israel shoes I would not spare any effort in dealing with the aggressors whose unreasonable nature is well known in the world.

In their book, Israel ought not to exist! In fact in the PLO charter they unashamedly asserted that Israel was due to be destroyed!
They then went ahead to implement the destroying but they were repulsed and humbled. Who doubts that if the Arabs had a way they would destroy Israel even today!
So for Israel how else do you deal with nut cases who want you obliterated, and are incessantly launching attacks, and improvising ways and means to that end.


I don't always trust @alpha's views, but trusting a single media entity is foolhardy to say the least - you have access to the Internet and thus you have the opportunity to get information from all sides and make your conclusion, just to get you going anza na cnn, bbc and i24 news on one extreme and then switch to alteejah, aljazeera and bahrain news - if you want to get a sense of the balanced reporting jaribu french24 news or cctv news.

lakini you have a myriad of sources on-line, you would do yourself some good also getting to know the history of the region, and if you could go through the last ceasefire agreement between the sides, i think back in 2011/2012 you can make a better judgment on who is the aggressor.

@nakujua has put it right.

You see if @b.timer had bothered to read history, he would have a more sober view.

There was no Israel state, until one day people sat down and proposed that the Jewish issue could be solved by resettling Jews in Madagascar or elsewhere in Africa or South America. But after discussing the pros and cons, they asserted that establishing a Jewish homeland in British Palestine is the best.

And Bingo!

They settled these people in a land belonging to some other people. Then they proceeded to fund an darmed these visitors to attack and kill and displace the Palestinians.

@b.timer please watch the below:



@AlphDoti, The video explains why the war will never end- propaganda on both sides justifying their hardline stand. The video is purely a Palestinian version and i am sure there is an Israeli version.

At least in Palestine, the Jihadists have met their match- an eye for an eye. All the Mujahedeens should move there and leave the rest of the world in peace.

@gathige everything else is Israeli version, you didn't know? CNN, BBC, Time, Al-Jazeera name them, all are theirs.

Now, listen to them below telling you that even you are not human, unless you are a Jew.



Search for documentary of Khazarian and you'll see below in one of them
muganda
#131 Posted : Thursday, July 24, 2014 2:03:21 PM
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@B.Timer your position is quite reasonable, just as @AlphDoti's is biased. I tried to outline a brief historical view here #112 and here #118.

So the simple questions are:
1. How come 1.2m Arabs and 0.68m Jews lived in Palestine, even before the state was created?
2. Where else should state of Israel have been created?
3. Weren't most states created through partition?

AlphDoti wrote:
B.Timer wrote:
@Alpha amazes me! Too much emotions but little material facts to match!

Always ignoring data from the opposite side. Only Palestinians/Arabs have all the truth and rights while everybody else is a consumer of western propaganda!
Amazing!

You see if @b.timer had bothered to read history, he would have a more sober view.

There was no Israel state, until one day people sat down and proposed that the Jewish issue could be solved by resettling Jews in Madagascar or elsewhere in Africa or South America. But after discussing the pros and cons, they asserted that establishing a Jewish homeland in British Palestine is the best.
bkismat
#132 Posted : Thursday, July 24, 2014 2:07:44 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
Gathige wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
nakujua wrote:
B.Timer wrote:

@Alpha amazes me! Too much emotions but little material facts to match!

Always ignoring data from the opposite side. Only Palestinians/Arabs have all the truth and rights while everybody else is a consumer of western propaganda!
Amazing!

Which media outlets churn out better news for starters, so we may shift there!

Who is the aggressor in the current hostilities. Who is applying what kind of tactics.

As for me, I f were in Israel shoes I would not spare any effort in dealing with the aggressors whose unreasonable nature is well known in the world.

In their book, Israel ought not to exist! In fact in the PLO charter they unashamedly asserted that Israel was due to be destroyed!
They then went ahead to implement the destroying but they were repulsed and humbled. Who doubts that if the Arabs had a way they would destroy Israel even today!
So for Israel how else do you deal with nut cases who want you obliterated, and are incessantly launching attacks, and improvising ways and means to that end.


I don't always trust @alpha's views, but trusting a single media entity is foolhardy to say the least - you have access to the Internet and thus you have the opportunity to get information from all sides and make your conclusion, just to get you going anza na cnn, bbc and i24 news on one extreme and then switch to alteejah, aljazeera and bahrain news - if you want to get a sense of the balanced reporting jaribu french24 news or cctv news.

lakini you have a myriad of sources on-line, you would do yourself some good also getting to know the history of the region, and if you could go through the last ceasefire agreement between the sides, i think back in 2011/2012 you can make a better judgment on who is the aggressor.

@nakujua has put it right.

You see if @b.timer had bothered to read history, he would have a more sober view.

There was no Israel state, until one day people sat down and proposed that the Jewish issue could be solved by resettling Jews in Madagascar or elsewhere in Africa or South America. But after discussing the pros and cons, they asserted that establishing a Jewish homeland in British Palestine is the best.

And Bingo!

They settled these people in a land belonging to some other people. Then they proceeded to fund an darmed these visitors to attack and kill and displace the Palestinians.

@b.timer please watch the below:



@AlphDoti, The video explains why the war will never end- propaganda on both sides justifying their hardline stand. The video is purely a Palestinian version and i am sure there is an Israeli version.

At least in Palestine, the Jihadists have met their match- an eye for an eye. All the Mujahedeens should move there and leave the rest of the world in peace.

@gathige everything else is Israeli version, you didn't know? CNN, BBC, Time, Al-Jazeera name them, all are theirs.

Now, listen to them below telling you that even you are not human, unless you are a Jew.



Search for documentary of Khazarian and you'll see below in one of them

Al-Jazeera is JewishBrick wall Brick wall Brick wall
It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt...
-Mark Twain
AlphDoti
#133 Posted : Thursday, July 24, 2014 2:28:28 PM
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ecstacy
#134 Posted : Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:08:02 PM
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Israeli hospital now treating Palestinian civilian casualties..
nakujua
#135 Posted : Thursday, July 24, 2014 6:36:27 PM
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nakujua
#136 Posted : Thursday, July 24, 2014 6:42:52 PM
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nakujua
#137 Posted : Thursday, July 24, 2014 6:47:56 PM
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tycho
#138 Posted : Thursday, July 24, 2014 7:28:42 PM
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Brothers are fighting for their birthright, so whichever side we back, we're all losers. For we are the brothers.

We should all find peace as individuals even far from Gaza geographically for the crying in Palestine to cease. If the grumbling in our hearts can cease, and our minds flourish locally, then we can have enough power to blow over Palestine and Israel winds of peace and quiet.


Nabwire
#139 Posted : Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:26:42 PM
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AlphaDoti allow me to call you out on your BS. That video'Top Rabbi exposes Jewish racism' is propaganda sprinkled with some truths here and there. First of all, the Jewish people are not all religious, infact surprise surprise, majority of the Jews living in Israel do not practice Judaism but are instead Atheist. Yes Atheist, so stop the generalizations of trying to portray all Jewish people as evil. The Rabbis and Jews in that clip are orthodox Jews, these are the extremists of Judaism who believe in living life exactly as it was in the Old Testament. So it is very hypocritical for both that Duke guy and you to use that to portray all Jews. The average Jew is ashamed of Orthodox Judaism, Steven Spielberg is a prime example! You are always wailing about how we cant judge Islam by actions of extreme Muslims, yet you are here doing the very same thing! Jews are not evil, they are smart, extremely smart! That clip was a bunch of BS, no one can make you a slave without your consent. If the Jews were smart enough to control the media, Wall Street and the political arena, you cant come and cry foul about. Its like crying foul when someone repeatedly beats you in exams, just study harder or work smarter. I personally adore Ben Bernanke, Blankfein and even Greenspan, these are people who worked extremely hard to get to where they are, but now that they have made it and also happen to be Jewish, uh oh watch out, they are evil. A bunch of BS!! I don't even need to do a search on that Duke guy to know that he's a conservative Republican with a political agenda, but AlphDoti has hijacked his agenda and turned it into a religious one! Need I remind you that your oh so Holy religion calls for the killing of non-Muslims, I wonder which is better? Being killed for not believing or being a "slave" because you are a Gentile? And before you answer that, I hope you don't have any investments or stocks coz they are founded on the simple concept of making your money work for you, you know, what in this video has now been termed being a slave master. Utter BS!
AlphDoti
#140 Posted : Friday, July 25, 2014 11:28:55 AM
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@nabwire, @gathige.

Everybody have a right to settle. But not at the cost of displacing whole nation and occupying the whole territory.

But when I see people praising something wrong, I wonder what is wrong with us the black people? Can't we see through something so wrong? This is exactly like the previous Colonial Supremacy.

I'm sure there were those among our forefathers who betrayed our people fighting for independence. I'm sure there were some who believed the white man had the right to sit down somewhere and decide that Africa is theirs. Then come to our lands, invade us, displaced us, put us in camps, rape our resources, kill us if you try to fight back, call us lesser human being, less intellect, the ruled, inferior.

Don't you think there were some wazees who believed this African Inferiority, just like the way some of us their grand children support white (read Jew supremacy)?

Were the white people superior, smart and because they took our land, tilled it, took the resources? Is Delamere son superior and smart because he was left with 99 year lease of those thousand acre land for pasture and farming? Are the Jews superior and smart because they do use crude methods to get their way?

For several years now, they have used media and economic advantage gained while the whites colonised us, to influence the minds of people.

I'm glad many people are realising the truth all over the world now. They are waking up.

Please watch the below video.
PLEASE WATCH IT TO THE END

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