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Russia Going to War with US over Ukraine?
captain kirk
#421 Posted : Wednesday, July 23, 2014 4:50:33 AM
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Putin is cornered finally.
Pressure is growing on Europe to escalate sanctions against Russia.
The plane shot down over Ukraine had more than 200 Europeans who perished and Putin is indirectly to blame. The rebels he supported in Ukraine have used weapons handed to them by Russia to kill European residents. Whoever thought Putin had the legs to go toe to toe with Obama was clearly delusional.
murchr
#422 Posted : Wednesday, July 23, 2014 4:57:21 AM
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'We will react to NATO build-up!': Key Putin quotes from defense policy address

We might see a war soon. The time is ripe. The markets are up there.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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quicksand
#423 Posted : Wednesday, July 23, 2014 7:58:47 AM
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captain kirk wrote:
Putin is cornered finally.
Pressure is growing on Europe to escalate sanctions against Russia.
The plane shot down over Ukraine had more than 200 Europeans who perished and Putin is indirectly to blame. The rebels he supported in Ukraine have used weapons handed to them by Russia to kill European residents. Whoever thought Putin had the legs to go toe to toe with Obama was clearly delusional.

Is he? The guy is a megalomaniac but sanctions are nonsense. Not even old Mugabe was fazed by them. No country is immune from the Industry-Military manipulation, not Europe, not the USA....and imposing any serious and painful sanctions against Russian industry, global conglomerates (especially energy ones) start taking hits, the energy supply-side becomes unstable as gas and oil prices rise, billionaires start arm-twisting politicians. Mr Joe Regular will quickly forget about Putin's aggression in Crimea and Ukraine and start bitching loudly when his fuel, gas and electricity budget is eviscerated; he will call for his local representative's head. No government wants this. In the end, the west will make high-pitched diplomatic noises, freeze accounts of a few oligarchs and then slap bureaucratic impediments in the way of Russian state corporations and that will be it. This is Russia, about 25% of the world's energy reserves are in just this one place. Plus its own advanced military industry. And nukes. You do not want to corner such an adversary, especially one who is a psychopath.
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Putin is untouchable.
simonkabz
#424 Posted : Wednesday, July 23, 2014 9:28:23 AM
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captain kirk wrote:
Putin is cornered finally.
Pressure is growing on Europe to escalate sanctions against Russia.
The plane shot down over Ukraine had more than 200 Europeans who perished and Putin is indirectly to blame. The rebels he supported in Ukraine have used weapons handed to them by Russia to kill European residents. Whoever thought Putin had the legs to go toe to toe with Obama was clearly delusional.


This is the result of living in a cave. Your opinions have been so warped since this thread started.
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
dunkang
#425 Posted : Wednesday, July 23, 2014 2:44:44 PM
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Meanwhile, 2 Ukraine military fighter jets have been SHOT down in the east (Republic of Donestk region).

Its all out war now.

http://www.businessweek....y-fighter-jets-shot-down
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Impunity
#426 Posted : Wednesday, July 23, 2014 2:54:10 PM
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Wawawawawawawaaaaa...........

Pray Pray Pray Pray Pray

Rink > More than 400 slaughtered in east Ukraine today!
Portfolio: Sold
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captain kirk
#427 Posted : Thursday, July 24, 2014 6:20:38 AM
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simonkabz wrote:
captain kirk wrote:
Putin is cornered finally.
Pressure is growing on Europe to escalate sanctions against Russia.
The plane shot down over Ukraine had more than 200 Europeans who perished and Putin is indirectly to blame. The rebels he supported in Ukraine have used weapons handed to them by Russia to kill European residents. Whoever thought Putin had the legs to go toe to toe with Obama was clearly delusional.


This is the result of living in a cave. Your opinions have been so warped since this thread started.

The European Union will expand its sanctions blacklist to target Vladimir Putin's inner circle and draw up further broad measures including an arms embargo and financial restrictions on Russian businesses, EU foreign ministers have decided following the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17.
@kabz, state your facts and stop this nonsense of I live in a cave, you sound like a fool.
murchr
#428 Posted : Thursday, July 24, 2014 6:32:41 AM
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captain kirk wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
captain kirk wrote:
Putin is cornered finally.
Pressure is growing on Europe to escalate sanctions against Russia.
The plane shot down over Ukraine had more than 200 Europeans who perished and Putin is indirectly to blame. The rebels he supported in Ukraine have used weapons handed to them by Russia to kill European residents. Whoever thought Putin had the legs to go toe to toe with Obama was clearly delusional.


This is the result of living in a cave. Your opinions have been so warped since this thread started.

The European Union will expand its sanctions blacklist to target Vladimir Putin's inner circle and draw up further broad measures including an arms embargo and financial restrictions on Russian businesses, EU foreign ministers have decided following the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17.
@kabz, state your facts and stop this nonsense of I live in a cave, you sound like a fool.



These Europeans? http://rt.com/news/17480...e-uk-criticism-mistral/
or these ones?
http://www.theguardian.c...iles-pressure-on-russia

Where do u live captain?

"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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freiks
#429 Posted : Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:42:40 AM
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murchr wrote:
captain kirk wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
captain kirk wrote:
Putin is cornered finally.
Pressure is growing on Europe to escalate sanctions against Russia.
The plane shot down over Ukraine had more than 200 Europeans who perished and Putin is indirectly to blame. The rebels he supported in Ukraine have used weapons handed to them by Russia to kill European residents. Whoever thought Putin had the legs to go toe to toe with Obama was clearly delusional.


This is the result of living in a cave. Your opinions have been so warped since this thread started.

The European Union will expand its sanctions blacklist to target Vladimir Putin's inner circle and draw up further broad measures including an arms embargo and financial restrictions on Russian businesses, EU foreign ministers have decided following the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17.
@kabz, state your facts and stop this nonsense of I live in a cave, you sound like a fool.



These Europeans? http://rt.com/news/17480...e-uk-criticism-mistral/
or these ones?
http://www.theguardian.c...iles-pressure-on-russia

Where do u live captain?



The last I checked was that France ha not cancelled the warship sale to Russia, they say cancelling costs too high that is about USD 1B, and now see this from Britain http://news.yahoo.com/br...NRTQyNF8x?pt=tAD4SCT8P7
I think Kremlin still calling the shots 'chini ya maji'
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FRM2011
#430 Posted : Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:52:35 AM
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I had deliberately avoided this thread but seeing the bodies of dutch citizens being received back home was an extremely emotional experience.

I am more concerned with the concept of retributive justice under the rapidly evolving international geo-politics. Russia's economic strategic importance to Europe has messed up the quest for justice for the passengers. France even went ahead and delivered military hardware to Russia while the EU was discussing sanctions.

That said, I hope we are in agreement that Putin's power is economic and not military.

In Gaza, Israel's right to defend herself seems to be crossing the line into war crimes territory. But the countries who matter in the arab world wont raise a finger i.e. Saudi arabia, Egypt et.al. I have been a great admirer of Israel but the death of 7 Palestine kids has left a bad taste in my mouth.

Since when did justice stop being a black and white affair ? Why so many gray areas ? Why is the world so f#*+g messed up ?
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