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McReggae wrote:nakujua wrote:depends on what you base your greatness on, a single world cup would be skewed Messi didn't do it at this world cup, I doubt things will be any better for him in Russia or Qatar!!!! I don't think Messi will ever lift the world cup, this might be the furthest he will go on that stage, but I think his accomplishments at club level push him up among the greats
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/30/2013 Posts: 659
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The best team won (Germany). The best man won an individual trophy. Messi's brilliance cannot be undone by a World Cup loss, Eusebio, Zico, Cruyff, didn't win a World Cup, but, they brilliance has been cemented in football who is who. If you stay ready, no need to get ready.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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Pedes wrote:The best team won (Germany). The best man won an individual trophy. Messi's brilliance cannot be undone by a World Cup loss, Eusebio, Zico, Cruyff, didn't win a World Cup, but, they brilliance has been cemented in football who is who. No one denies Messi is an all time great. If you are saying that Messi is at the level of Cruyff, Eusebio and Zico then you are indeed correct. Those saying he is better than Maradona and Pele ndio sijui : )
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/15/2006 Posts: 3,905
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“Thank God, thank God that Germany won, if Argentina had won, they would have made fun of us for years” said Caio Ferraz, 45, a Brazilian looking up at the stars on the legendary beach. Brazilians and Germans hugged each other, with Europeans saying they wanted their team to win the tournament for their hosts. “We never want Argentina to win here in Brazil. Never,” said Cassio Conceicao, 51, wearing his beloved Flamengo jersey. “Germany respected us even though they thrashed us.” 
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/19/2011 Posts: 1,694
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Quote:Diego Maradona has criticised Fifa for awarding Argentina’s Lionel Messi the Golden Ball award for the World Cup’s best player.
Messi was presented with the award after his country’s 1-0 defeat by Germany in the final in Rio, beating such stellar performers as Arjen Robben, James Rodríguez and Thomas Müller. Despite scoring four goals in seven matches, the Barcelona star was not at his best during the knockout stages and Maradona dismissed the decision as a “marketing plan”.
“Messi? I would give him heaven if possible,” the 1986 World Cup winner said on his television show on Telesur. “But it’s not right when someone wins something that he shouldn’t have won just because of some marketing plan.”
“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/30/2013 Posts: 659
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muganda wrote:“Thank God, thank God that Germany won, if Argentina had won, they would have made fun of us for years” said Caio Ferraz, 45, a Brazilian looking up at the stars on the legendary beach. Brazilians and Germans hugged each other, with Europeans saying they wanted their team to win the tournament for their hosts. “We never want Argentina to win here in Brazil. Never,” said Cassio Conceicao, 51, wearing his beloved Flamengo jersey. “Germany respected us even though they thrashed us.”  If you stay ready, no need to get ready.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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 TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Pedes wrote:muganda wrote:“Thank God, thank God that Germany won, if Argentina had won, they would have made fun of us for years” said Caio Ferraz, 45, a Brazilian looking up at the stars on the legendary beach. Brazilians and Germans hugged each other, with Europeans saying they wanted their team to win the tournament for their hosts. “We never want Argentina to win here in Brazil. Never,” said Cassio Conceicao, 51, wearing his beloved Flamengo jersey. “Germany respected us even though they thrashed us.” Muganda and Pedes, I am sure I read something about "Konzentration und Fokussierung" in Camp Bahia ,,,,, what I read does not seem to be similar to what I am now reading above. Oh yes, here it is: http://uk.reuters.com/ar...ss-idUKL6N0PG12920140705
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/30/2013 Posts: 659
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Muriel wrote:Pedes wrote:[quote=muganda]“Thank God, thank God that Germany won, if Argentina had won, they would have made fun of us for years” said Caio Ferraz, 45, a Brazilian looking up at the stars on the legendary beach. Brazilians and Germans hugged each other, with Europeans saying they wanted their team to win the tournament for their hosts. “We never want Argentina to win here in Brazil. Never,” said Cassio Conceicao, 51, wearing his beloved Flamengo jersey. “Germany respected us even though they thrashed us.” Muganda and Pedes, I am sure I read something about "Konzentration und Fokussierung" in Camp Bahia ,,,,, what I read does not seem to be similar to what I am now reading above. Oh yes, here it is: http://uk.reuters.com/ar...s-idUKL6N0PG12920140705[/quote] The truth is in between. If you stay ready, no need to get ready.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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Kratos wrote:Quote:Diego Maradona has criticised Fifa for awarding Argentina’s Lionel Messi the Golden Ball award for the World Cup’s best player.
Messi was presented with the award after his country’s 1-0 defeat by Germany in the final in Rio, beating such stellar performers as Arjen Robben, James Rodríguez and Thomas Müller. Despite scoring four goals in seven matches, the Barcelona star was not at his best during the knockout stages and Maradona dismissed the decision as a “marketing plan”.
“Messi? I would give him heaven if possible,” the 1986 World Cup winner said on his television show on Telesur. “But it’s not right when someone wins something that he shouldn’t have won just because of some marketing plan.” This world cup did not really have any standout performers like Zidane in 1998 or Ronaldo in 2002 or Romario in 1994.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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I dont understand why they gave Pogba the young player award. I may be biased but I think our man with roots in Homa Bay county, Muranga town and Ziwani estate should have gotten the award. Here is a chap who many thought was not even going to the World cup and yet he grabbed a place in the starting line-up and played well.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/13/2006 Posts: 2,589
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Alba wrote:nakujua wrote:depends on what you base your greatness on, a single world cup would be skewed Its not just the WC. Maradona took a useless Napoli team and made them Serie A champions and UEFA cup champions and Coppa Itali Champions. Thats Napoli !!!!!!!!
A team famous for yoyoing between Serie A and Serie B Lets see Messi shine for a team other than Barca then we can start comparisons. In any case, forget what I say. Listen to what Argentinians say. These are facts that cannot be contested in any court of law. If Messi had won the winning goal to ensure Argentina lifted the trophy then the debate would have subsided because at Club football he's on a world of his own (with Ronaldo). Personally I think Robben was the best player of the tournament, diving aside. BEER IS LIVING PROOF THAT GOD LOVES US AND WANTS US TO BE HAPPY!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Quote:Personally I think Robben was the best player of the tournament, diving aside. seems tuko wengi. he fought hard, dived hard
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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The illogical nature of this kind of argument means that had Messi played horribly in the Maracana but managed to end up on the winning team against Germany then thousands would rush to certify him ‘the greatest’, whereas a hat-trick in an Argentina loss wouldn’t have been enough to satisfy the same judges. The truth is, judging any player’s stature on a one-off game is a flawed exercise in itself.
As a Scot, I may want to convince myself that James McFadden is one of the all time greats because of an incredible goal he scored against France, but let’s be honest, there’s much more to his career than only that moment. Just as there is to Messi’s. Look at the whole, not an individual part, and Messi’s story is clear.
Many of those that have previously rushed to laud Messi for being an extraterrestrial will now turn to a different kind of opportunism in the wake of Argentina’s loss. The insults will be thick and cheap, at least until he does something a brilliant again. For the rest of us, for those capable of looking at the whole, and with a memory with the capacity to stretch back further than the last three months, his brilliance is undoubted.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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No wonder even their celebration was the coldest! Brazilians can't comment fairly on Argentina. Goggles
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/19/2011 Posts: 1,694
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Alba wrote:Kratos wrote:Quote:Diego Maradona has criticised Fifa for awarding Argentina’s Lionel Messi the Golden Ball award for the World Cup’s best player.
Messi was presented with the award after his country’s 1-0 defeat by Germany in the final in Rio, beating such stellar performers as Arjen Robben, James Rodríguez and Thomas Müller. Despite scoring four goals in seven matches, the Barcelona star was not at his best during the knockout stages and Maradona dismissed the decision as a “marketing plan”.
“Messi? I would give him heaven if possible,” the 1986 World Cup winner said on his television show on Telesur. “But it’s not right when someone wins something that he shouldn’t have won just because of some marketing plan.” This world cup did not really have any standout performers like Zidane in 1998 or Ronaldo in 2002 or Romario in 1994. True, could it be that tactical changes in the football world have led to adoption of a more team oriented play and consequently the decline of the superstar player? Germany for instance played extremely well as a unit with no one individual dominating play. Or maybe teams have learnt to focus their energies on the supposedly star player and limit his contribution.
“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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Pedes wrote:muganda wrote:“Thank God, thank God that Germany won, if Argentina had won, they would have made fun of us for years” said Caio Ferraz, 45, a Brazilian looking up at the stars on the legendary beach. Brazilians and Germans hugged each other, with Europeans saying they wanted their team to win the tournament for their hosts. “We never want Argentina to win here in Brazil. Never,” said Cassio Conceicao, 51, wearing his beloved Flamengo jersey. “Germany respected us even though they thrashed us.” "The chief danger in life is that you may take too many precautions" - Alfred adler
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Lolest! wrote:No wonder even their celebration was the coldest! Brazilians can't comment fairly on Argentina. Goggles The triumph of efficiency.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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Kratos wrote:Alba wrote:Kratos wrote:Quote:Diego Maradona has criticised Fifa for awarding Argentina’s Lionel Messi the Golden Ball award for the World Cup’s best player.
Messi was presented with the award after his country’s 1-0 defeat by Germany in the final in Rio, beating such stellar performers as Arjen Robben, James Rodríguez and Thomas Müller. Despite scoring four goals in seven matches, the Barcelona star was not at his best during the knockout stages and Maradona dismissed the decision as a “marketing plan”.
“Messi? I would give him heaven if possible,” the 1986 World Cup winner said on his television show on Telesur. “But it’s not right when someone wins something that he shouldn’t have won just because of some marketing plan.” This world cup did not really have any standout performers like Zidane in 1998 or Ronaldo in 2002 or Romario in 1994. True, could it be that tactical changes in the football world have led to adoption of a more team oriented play and consequently the decline of the superstar player? Germany for instance played extremely well as a unit with no one individual dominating play. Or maybe teams have learnt to focus their energies on the supposedly star player and limit his contribution. That’s why I said in the other thread that FIFA should reduce the number of players from 11 to 10. Nowadays fitness levels are such that a team can defend with nine players and still attack. It has become much more difficult to score. Germany is efficient but boring. FIFA should modify rules so that creative players can prosper.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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I am hearing that the Germans partied so hard they broke the trophy. i.am.back!!!!
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