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Avalanche reduction in interest rates
Impunity
#21 Posted : Tuesday, July 15, 2014 3:26:15 PM
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wangu.n wrote:
Ok, so I have now understood it.
KBRR = 9.13%
Bank´s lending rate = KBRR + bank´s margin, in this case 5.77%
Thus 14.9% charged by the bank = 9.13 + 5.77
The big question now is what happens when this KBRR goes up or down? but of more concern up?


And when you are already in and having entered at a much lower level?
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real cindano
#22 Posted : Tuesday, July 15, 2014 10:06:41 PM
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Life moves on. Most Interest rates are variable either way and banks have always been claiming it is based on the T bill rates. What the KBRR does it gives you a way to compare and limits how much they can vary from this rate.
This is progress. Banks have been taking us to the cleaners using our savings and giving savers a low interest of <5% and then loaning this money at > 18% and claiming the loan rates are based on the T bill rates and never bring down the rates even if the T bills reduce.
KBRR haitaji dialogue and gets StocksKenya stamp of approval!
Impunity wrote:
wangu.n wrote:
Ok, so I have now understood it.
KBRR = 9.13%
Bank´s lending rate = KBRR + bank´s margin, in this case 5.77%
Thus 14.9% charged by the bank = 9.13 + 5.77
The big question now is what happens when this KBRR goes up or down? but of more concern up?


And when you are already in and having entered at a much lower level?
Sad

premio
#23 Posted : Tuesday, July 15, 2014 10:54:23 PM
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bird_man wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
icecube wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
obiero wrote:
standard chartered leads the way

14.9% personal,10.9% mortgage though less risk (insurance) fee = hidden charges but it's okay


Those are good rates, but fixed or reducing balance?

Very important to establish this! For example, I'm told the 'cheap' loans Faulu has been advertising are not cheap at all! They are apparently hood winking Kenyans. Those rates are calculated on the principal as opposed to a reducing balance!! This means you end up paying the same or more than someone on a much higher quoted rate on a reducing balance! Mchezo Kasarani!!

Stanchart...step in the right direction but quite useless.They need to specify whether they will use reducing balance,flat rate or compound interest.

I notice other hidden charges on items such as legal fees,insurance,valuation etc.Can this be factored in the KBRR+K rate?Or is it impossible since they are basically third party costs?


The new rules requires that banks on top of giving their KBRR+k rate, they will issue the APR (annuall percentage rate) that will now include the negotiation/arrangement fees, valuation,insurance etc for consumers to tell the real cost of money IE Maliza raia bank ltd could have a KBRR 15% and loan arrangement fee of 3% while Fagia mifuko bank ltd might have KBRR 15% BUT nil arrangement fees the APR will now let know u whos expensive.in this case maliza raia bank will be expensive. Stanchart will really command a very low APR COME ON GUYS kudos for stanchart this is one bank moving away from the useless cartel Kenya Bankers Asso. the only bank in Kenya putting a human face to banking Kenyans bank seated in comfy seat while the likes of member, simba, Blacklays and cooopsystem down hurdle Kenyans in 1988 KANU mlolongo quees
Tall Order
#24 Posted : Wednesday, July 16, 2014 7:00:58 AM
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The Stanchart news seems to have excited the market, let's wait and see what is the response by other players in this field and hopefully all these rates will become clearer soon. We'll soon know which offer is best in the market.
Swenani
#25 Posted : Wednesday, July 16, 2014 8:32:20 AM
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real cindano wrote:
Life moves on. Most Interest rates are variable either way and banks have always been claiming it is based on the T bill rates. What the KBRR does it gives you a way to compare and limits how much they can vary from this rate.
This is progress. Banks have been taking us to the cleaners using our savings and giving savers a low interest of <5% and then loaning this money at > 18% and claiming the loan rates are based on the T bill rates and never bring down the rates even if the T bills reduce.
KBRR haitaji dialogue and gets StocksKenya stamp of approval!
Impunity wrote:
wangu.n wrote:
Ok, so I have now understood it.
KBRR = 9.13%
Bank´s lending rate = KBRR + bank´s margin, in this case 5.77%
Thus 14.9% charged by the bank = 9.13 + 5.77
The big question now is what happens when this KBRR goes up or down? but of more concern up?


And when you are already in and having entered at a much lower level?
Sad



Standard Chartered Bank has reduced borrowing rates in the market on three key products. In a return of its annual campaign dubbed "The Grand Sale", Standard Chartered Bank is offering customers mortgages at 10.9 per cent. This is only 1.77 per cent above the Kenya Banks Reference Rate (KBRR). Customers transferring their loans from other providers will not pay legal and valuation fees. The margin of 1.77 per cent on top of KBRR will remain fixed for the duration of the facility for all loans taken up during the campaign period. Other products on offer are personal loans at a rate of as low as 14.9 per cent and business loans against property at 10.9 per cent, which will also not attract legal or valuation fees on balance transfers. Head of Retail Clients Bhartesh Shah said customers can borrow up to Sh100 million to purchase homes and repay in 25 years.
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
Swenani
#26 Posted : Wednesday, July 16, 2014 8:51:12 AM
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If you want to calculate how much you will be paying, Use the formula below in excel

=PMT(I/12,T,P,0,0)

where 1-Interest rate, T= duration of loan in months, P-Loan amount/principal),0=if you pay at the end of month(put 1 if you pay at the beggining of the month)

If you take a mortage of 7M repayable in 10 years, you will be paying Kshs.96,029 which is veeeery affooooooooordable as long as there as no other hidden charges.
if you pay rent of around 40-50K,you can afford to take a loan of 7M+ repayable in less than 5 years.

If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
2012
#27 Posted : Wednesday, July 16, 2014 8:57:38 AM
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There's nothing to celebrate here.We all know that this KBRR is a gimmick set up by CBK in-conjunction with the banks. They had to be seen to be doing something as it's good PR for all, the banks and government. The biggest beneficiaries will be people who have been hurt by this loans because they are wiser.

All you need to do is stick to the fundamentals, do not take a loan unless you really need it and especially if it's going to increase your business capacity and generate it's repayments.

Is it not surprising that there seem to be no mention of interest on deposits? I don't think so.

BBI will solve it
:)
kiwaru
#28 Posted : Wednesday, July 16, 2014 2:10:23 PM
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2012 wrote:
There's nothing to celebrate here.We all know that this KBRR is a gimmick set up by CBK in-conjunction with the banks. They had to be seen to be doing something as it's good PR for all, the banks and government. The biggest beneficiaries will be people who have been hurt by this loans because they are wiser.

All you need to do is stick to the fundamentals, do not take a loan unless you really need it and especially if it's going to increase your business capacity and generate it's repayments.

Is it not surprising that there seem to be no mention of interest on deposits? I don't think so.


I agree that loans should only be taken when absolutely necessary... But some people need a loan to reach current objective needs. My pastor (sic) advises that the first car CAN be on loan and save to top up for upgrades; i.e. get a boost because the situation calls for the 'asset' but wean yourself off the boost asap. Then there's that fact about buying it now to catch on the inflation ride because savings may not necessarily get you there.
Obi 1 Kanobi
#29 Posted : Wednesday, July 16, 2014 2:42:29 PM
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kiwaru wrote:
2012 wrote:
There's nothing to celebrate here.We all know that this KBRR is a gimmick set up by CBK in-conjunction with the banks. They had to be seen to be doing something as it's good PR for all, the banks and government. The biggest beneficiaries will be people who have been hurt by this loans because they are wiser.

All you need to do is stick to the fundamentals, do not take a loan unless you really need it and especially if it's going to increase your business capacity and generate it's repayments.

Is it not surprising that there seem to be no mention of interest on deposits? I don't think so.


I agree that loans should only be taken when absolutely necessary... But some people need a loan to reach current objective needs. My pastor (sic) advises that the first car CAN be on loan and save to top up for upgrades; i.e. get a boost because the situation calls for the 'asset' but wean yourself off the boost asap. Then there's that fact about buying it now to catch on the inflation ride because savings may not necessarily get you there.


What difference does it matter what KBRR is, at the end of the day, you have a mortgage offer at 10.9% which is now the best in the market.

So now its up to you to either take a mortgage at this rate or transfer you current mortgage of 15% from the other bank to stanchart and save 4%.

I think its a damn good move and I will go see them. At 11%, this can only be reducing balance. straight line would be plain stupid to even offer.
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Runner
#30 Posted : Wednesday, July 16, 2014 4:34:02 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
kiwaru wrote:
2012 wrote:
There's nothing to celebrate here.We all know that this KBRR is a gimmick set up by CBK in-conjunction with the banks. They had to be seen to be doing something as it's good PR for all, the banks and government. The biggest beneficiaries will be people who have been hurt by this loans because they are wiser.

All you need to do is stick to the fundamentals, do not take a loan unless you really need it and especially if it's going to increase your business capacity and generate it's repayments.

Is it not surprising that there seem to be no mention of interest on deposits? I don't think so.


I agree that loans should only be taken when absolutely necessary... But some people need a loan to reach current objective needs. My pastor (sic) advises that the first car CAN be on loan and save to top up for upgrades; i.e. get a boost because the situation calls for the 'asset' but wean yourself off the boost asap. Then there's that fact about buying it now to catch on the inflation ride because savings may not necessarily get you there.


What difference does it matter what KBRR is, at the end of the day, you have a mortgage offer at 10.9% which is now the best in the market.

So now its up to you to either take a mortgage at this rate or transfer you current mortgage of 15% from the other bank to stanchart and save 4%.

I think its a damn good move and I will go see them. At 11%, this can only be reducing balance. straight line would be plain stupid to even offer.


The fine print in the ad clearly states that "Mortgage interest rate and Business Loan interest rate is a variable intereet rate. Interest is calculated using the daily average balance method."

So, how does this interest calculation method compare with the conventional reducing balance method?
githundi
#31 Posted : Wednesday, July 16, 2014 8:29:30 PM
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Runner wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
kiwaru wrote:
2012 wrote:
There's nothing to celebrate here.We all know that this KBRR is a gimmick set up by CBK in-conjunction with the banks. They had to be seen to be doing something as it's good PR for all, the banks and government. The biggest beneficiaries will be people who have been hurt by this loans because they are wiser.

All you need to do is stick to the fundamentals, do not take a loan unless you really need it and especially if it's going to increase your business capacity and generate it's repayments.

Is it not surprising that there seem to be no mention of interest on deposits? I don't think so.


I agree that loans should only be taken when absolutely necessary... But some people need a loan to reach current objective needs. My pastor (sic) advises that the first car CAN be on loan and save to top up for upgrades; i.e. get a boost because the situation calls for the 'asset' but wean yourself off the boost asap. Then there's that fact about buying it now to catch on the inflation ride because savings may not necessarily get you there.


What difference does it matter what KBRR is, at the end of the day, you have a mortgage offer at 10.9% which is now the best in the market.

So now its up to you to either take a mortgage at this rate or transfer you current mortgage of 15% from the other bank to stanchart and save 4%.

I think its a damn good move and I will go see them. At 11%, this can only be reducing balance. straight line would be plain stupid to even offer.


The fine print in the ad clearly states that "Mortgage interest rate and Business Loan interest rate is a variable intereet rate. Interest is calculated using the daily average balance method."

So, how does this interest calculation method compare with the conventional reducing balance method?

@ runner, it's the same and one thing.
@Obi, right decision, these opportunities rarely come.
By the time others realise it might be too late.
@ all, this is best offer, that you are going to see soon in the market. It lapses in the next 43 days, if you have a loan, do a balance transfer.
The loan interest rate will only change as per KBRR, and the treasury will be keen to maintain low rates to ensure credit expansion, a necessity for economic growth.
And always remember that Standard Chartered is not just any other bank, it will always remain Standard chartered.
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