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The Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant
Nandwa
#241 Posted : Friday, July 11, 2014 4:16:47 PM
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nakujua wrote:
guru267 wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
guru267 wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
guru267 wrote:
The time to try for Baghdad approaching!



200 IS vehicles were blasted to smitherin ashes this past weekend when they tried approaching Baghdad outskirts.


And they enjoyed every minute in their 'martyrdom' victory!

You keep on thinking that these militants care about this little tiny thing called death and that's why you will never beat them and more keep on coming!


Why are the IS fighters who fled some Syrian towns from the FSA not willing to enjoy their "'martyrdom' victory"? Sema kujitetea.


In Islam it is a very big sin to retreat from the battlefield but you can for strategic purposes like re grouping!

If everyone becomes a martyr then who wins the war??

that little tiny thing smile


Does anyone here entertain fantasies that Jihadist can win anything on earth!

They will wait a looong time.
Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
dunkang
#242 Posted : Friday, July 11, 2014 4:18:28 PM
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Whilst @guru267 idiots are killing un-armed villagers and shoppers in the name of jihad, Israel is;
Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi

ecstacy
#243 Posted : Saturday, July 12, 2014 8:54:45 PM
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The Islamic State propaganda video is back online at this link -

nakujua
#244 Posted : Saturday, July 12, 2014 11:16:51 PM
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why don't they gang up and attack Israel
guru267
#245 Posted : Sunday, July 13, 2014 6:29:23 AM
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nakujua wrote:
why don't they gang up and attack Israel


According to Muhammad's prophecy its only a matter of time before this happens!

The Arab states have to first denounce nationalism and embrace Sharia and Islamism!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
Wainadi
#246 Posted : Sunday, July 13, 2014 9:03:49 AM
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guru267 wrote:
nakujua wrote:
why don't they gang up and attack Israel


According to Muhammad's prophecy its only a matter of time before this happens!

The Arab states have to first denounce nationalism and embrace Sharia and Islamism!

I would love to see the union between Saudia and Iran. That would be the day.
Its all good.
guru267
#247 Posted : Sunday, July 13, 2014 12:12:19 PM
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Wainadi wrote:
guru267 wrote:
nakujua wrote:
why don't they gang up and attack Israel


According to Muhammad's prophecy its only a matter of time before this happens!

The Arab states have to first denounce nationalism and embrace Sharia and Islamism!

I would love to see the union between Saudia and Iran. That would be the day.


Muhammad said Shiites will eventually side with Romans as you can see is happening already!

The March to Jerusalem will strictly be Sunni!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
ecstacy
#248 Posted : Sunday, July 13, 2014 2:34:12 PM
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"3 Things You Need to Know About ISIS" By Bilal Abdul Kareem who has spent much of the past two years filming and documenting a range of foreign fighters for several TV channels and gotten to know ISIS fighters very well:

"3 Things You Need to Know About ISIS"
=====================================
"I got to know ISIS fighters in Syria pretty good, after all I spent much of the past two years filming and documenting a range of foreign fighters for several TV channels. I can understand why some would be confused about ISIS as Muslims are very sceptical of what they see in the news media. Some wonder if it is a conspiracy against well intending Muslim fighters. I can appreciate their hesitancy. As a journalist I follow the media very closely and all we need do is look at the awful media coverage of the Gaza events to know that something is seriously wrong with mainstream media. Is this another case of such?
For easy reading I have listed 3 reasons why I believe ISIS has poisoned the Syrian revolution.


#1 Support of the People
In all honesty without any holding back of the truth, the Syrian people who lived within their territories and those who lived outside of their territories absolutely hated ISIS. Most of them felt that they had merely traded in a tyrant in Bashar Al Asad for another tyrant in ISIS. They felt they were second class citizens in their own country. Most people don’t realise but ISIS is 95% foreign fighter. They would walk the streets and look down on the average Syrian and many of them wouldn’t return the “salaam” if greeted as they didn’t see many of the Syrians as Muslims. Yes it’s true that Syrians in general like their cigarettes, music videos, and other stuff they should leave alone but to consider them non-Muslims??? This is very far. Why is it that Syrians don’t join ISIS? Jabha Islamiyya, Jabha An Nusra, and all the other Islamic groups are predominantly Syrian with a minority mix of foreign fighters. Why not ISIS? It is because ISIS terrorised the indigenous people and no one wanted them in their country let alone join them. Their prisons were full of weak Syrians who ran afoul of their corrupt ideology. Where are those Syrians who are supposed to be cheering on the “rise” of ISIS? I don’t know of any who are.


#2 Fighting Fellow Mujaahideen
ISIS fighters in Syria are not on one single front line against Bashar Asad’s army in Syria. I know this is a shock to many who have fallen prey to the nasheed and heroic youtube videos featuring ISIS fighters but after having spent much time throughout the country I can tell you with certainty that all of their resources that well intending Muslim donors have given them are being used to fight their fellow Mujaahideen. They are no threat at all to Asad’s forces as they are not fighting them ANYWHERE in Syria. For fear of not wanting to get my account closed on Facebook I would show you pictures of how they beheaded Mujaahid fighters from Ahrar Asham, Jabha An Nusra and other groups fighting the Asad regime. How ugly is it to see the heads of bearded Muslim fighters on the floor with an ISIS fighter posing over them holding a knife and one finger in the air as if he killed these young men for the sake of Allaah. ISIS felt that ONLY they were serious about bringing Islam to the people and no one else was. Therefore they eagerly spilled the blood of those who had fought numerous battles against regime forces.
While 95% of ISIS consists of foreign fighters, it doesn’t mean that 95% of the foreign fighters have gone to ISIS. Most of the foreigners do not go to ISIS. The news media wants the people at large to believe that as it fits their narrative that “foreign fighters are a threat to their home country” narrative. Actually ISIS made things very difficult for the foreign fighters in Syria as they unlawfully imprisoned, killed, and endangered the lives of the Syrian people. Thus some of the Syrians began to dislike ALL foreign fighters due to ISIS actions as they couldn’t tell who was and who wasn’t ISIS.


#3 Support of the Scholars and People of Influence
There is not ONE scholar who came out in support of ISIS and it’s leader’s claim to khilafah. Actually it is just the opposite, they all came out in unison denouncing the claim to the caliphate in specific and the movement in general. ISIS has been denounced by several Shaykhs who are respected by people of Jihad like Shaykh Abu Muhammad Al Maqdisi, Shaykh Abdullaah AL Muhaysini, and Shaykh Abu Qatada, not to mention a huge rebuke from Ayman Zawahiri and his demand for them to pack up their operation in Syria as well.
A small amount of Muslims around the world have an apocalyptic view of how things should be and ISIS seems to suit them just fine. They feel that ISIS is on the truth simply due to the fact that the news media and the masses are against them. This can in no way be used as a proof. The world at large is against rapists, murderers, and thieves too. Can we say that they are on the truth simply because they are fiercely opposed?


How could we as Muslims not scorn a movement that has:
*NO SUPPORT OF THE COMMON PEOPLE IN THEIR LOCALE
*NO SUPPORT OF THE OTHER MUJAAHIDEEN FIGHTERS
*NO SUPPORT OF A SINGLE KNOWN SCHOLAR
Is it likely a group like this could bring benefit to the lives of the Muslims they would lead in their local area? Therefore is it likely they could bring peace and unification to the Muslims around the world? Or is it more likely that they would bring more disunity, destruction, and chaos?


Conclusion
A total lack of wisdom from this group led by Abu Bakr Baghdadi is what has hurt the legitimate aspirations of the Syrian people. Foreign fighters along with their Syrian counterparts were a big reason for the taking of huge swaths of territory during this revolution and the regime feared that mix. Notice that much territory was being taken in Iraq by Sunni forces (falsely stated that ISIS is the head of them-but that’s another story!). Also, notice that those advances have all but stopped as soon as the news broke of this new “Khalifah”. At best I think we can only say that Baghdadi’s group is sorely lacking people of wisdom in their ranks and in no way can be branded “saviours” of the Muslim nation in any way."
quicksand
#249 Posted : Sunday, July 13, 2014 3:02:37 PM
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Joined: 7/5/2010
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ecstacy wrote:
"3 Things You Need to Know About ISIS" By Bilal Abdul Kareem who has spent much of the past two years filming and documenting a range of foreign fighters for several TV channels and gotten to know ISIS fighters very well:

"3 Things You Need to Know About ISIS"
=====================================
"I got to know ISIS fighters in Syria pretty good, after all I spent much of the past two years filming and documenting a range of foreign fighters for several TV channels. I can understand why some would be confused about ISIS as Muslims are very sceptical of what they see in the news media. Some wonder if it is a conspiracy against well intending Muslim fighters. I can appreciate their hesitancy. As a journalist I follow the media very closely and all we need do is look at the awful media coverage of the Gaza events to know that something is seriously wrong with mainstream media. Is this another case of such?
For easy reading I have listed 3 reasons why I believe ISIS has poisoned the Syrian revolution.


#1 Support of the People
In all honesty without any holding back of the truth, the Syrian people who lived within their territories and those who lived outside of their territories absolutely hated ISIS. Most of them felt that they had merely traded in a tyrant in Bashar Al Asad for another tyrant in ISIS. They felt they were second class citizens in their own country. Most people don’t realise but ISIS is 95% foreign fighter. They would walk the streets and look down on the average Syrian and many of them wouldn’t return the “salaam” if greeted as they didn’t see many of the Syrians as Muslims. Yes it’s true that Syrians in general like their cigarettes, music videos, and other stuff they should leave alone but to consider them non-Muslims??? This is very far. Why is it that Syrians don’t join ISIS? Jabha Islamiyya, Jabha An Nusra, and all the other Islamic groups are predominantly Syrian with a minority mix of foreign fighters. Why not ISIS? It is because ISIS terrorised the indigenous people and no one wanted them in their country let alone join them. Their prisons were full of weak Syrians who ran afoul of their corrupt ideology. Where are those Syrians who are supposed to be cheering on the “rise” of ISIS? I don’t know of any who are.


#2 Fighting Fellow Mujaahideen
ISIS fighters in Syria are not on one single front line against Bashar Asad’s army in Syria. I know this is a shock to many who have fallen prey to the nasheed and heroic youtube videos featuring ISIS fighters but after having spent much time throughout the country I can tell you with certainty that all of their resources that well intending Muslim donors have given them are being used to fight their fellow Mujaahideen. They are no threat at all to Asad’s forces as they are not fighting them ANYWHERE in Syria. For fear of not wanting to get my account closed on Facebook I would show you pictures of how they beheaded Mujaahid fighters from Ahrar Asham, Jabha An Nusra and other groups fighting the Asad regime. How ugly is it to see the heads of bearded Muslim fighters on the floor with an ISIS fighter posing over them holding a knife and one finger in the air as if he killed these young men for the sake of Allaah. ISIS felt that ONLY they were serious about bringing Islam to the people and no one else was. Therefore they eagerly spilled the blood of those who had fought numerous battles against regime forces.
While 95% of ISIS consists of foreign fighters, it doesn’t mean that 95% of the foreign fighters have gone to ISIS. Most of the foreigners do not go to ISIS. The news media wants the people at large to believe that as it fits their narrative that “foreign fighters are a threat to their home country” narrative. Actually ISIS made things very difficult for the foreign fighters in Syria as they unlawfully imprisoned, killed, and endangered the lives of the Syrian people. Thus some of the Syrians began to dislike ALL foreign fighters due to ISIS actions as they couldn’t tell who was and who wasn’t ISIS.


#3 Support of the Scholars and People of Influence
There is not ONE scholar who came out in support of ISIS and it’s leader’s claim to khilafah. Actually it is just the opposite, they all came out in unison denouncing the claim to the caliphate in specific and the movement in general. ISIS has been denounced by several Shaykhs who are respected by people of Jihad like Shaykh Abu Muhammad Al Maqdisi, Shaykh Abdullaah AL Muhaysini, and Shaykh Abu Qatada, not to mention a huge rebuke from Ayman Zawahiri and his demand for them to pack up their operation in Syria as well.
A small amount of Muslims around the world have an apocalyptic view of how things should be and ISIS seems to suit them just fine. They feel that ISIS is on the truth simply due to the fact that the news media and the masses are against them. This can in no way be used as a proof. The world at large is against rapists, murderers, and thieves too. Can we say that they are on the truth simply because they are fiercely opposed?


How could we as Muslims not scorn a movement that has:
*NO SUPPORT OF THE COMMON PEOPLE IN THEIR LOCALE
*NO SUPPORT OF THE OTHER MUJAAHIDEEN FIGHTERS
*NO SUPPORT OF A SINGLE KNOWN SCHOLAR
Is it likely a group like this could bring benefit to the lives of the Muslims they would lead in their local area? Therefore is it likely they could bring peace and unification to the Muslims around the world? Or is it more likely that they would bring more disunity, destruction, and chaos?


Conclusion
A total lack of wisdom from this group led by Abu Bakr Baghdadi is what has hurt the legitimate aspirations of the Syrian people. Foreign fighters along with their Syrian counterparts were a big reason for the taking of huge swaths of territory during this revolution and the regime feared that mix. Notice that much territory was being taken in Iraq by Sunni forces (falsely stated that ISIS is the head of them-but that’s another story!). Also, notice that those advances have all but stopped as soon as the news broke of this new “Khalifah”. At best I think we can only say that Baghdadi’s group is sorely lacking people of wisdom in their ranks and in no way can be branded “saviours” of the Muslim nation in any way."

Weeeeeell,......that was illuminating....waiting for @guru to comment.
guru267
#250 Posted : Sunday, July 13, 2014 3:23:49 PM
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Joined: 1/21/2010
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ecstacy wrote:
"3 Things You Need to Know About ISIS" By Bilal Abdul Kareem who has spent much of the past two years filming and documenting a range of foreign fighters for several TV channels and gotten to know ISIS fighters very well:

"3 Things You Need to Know About ISIS"
=====================================
"I got to know ISIS fighters in Syria pretty good, after all I spent much of the past two years filming and documenting a range of foreign fighters for several TV channels. I can understand why some would be confused about ISIS as Muslims are very sceptical of what they see in the news media. Some wonder if it is a conspiracy against well intending Muslim fighters. I can appreciate their hesitancy. As a journalist I follow the media very closely and all we need do is look at the awful media coverage of the Gaza events to know that something is seriously wrong with mainstream media. Is this another case of such?
For easy reading I have listed 3 reasons why I believe ISIS has poisoned the Syrian revolution.


#1 Support of the People
In all honesty without any holding back of the truth, the Syrian people who lived within their territories and those who lived outside of their territories absolutely hated ISIS. Most of them felt that they had merely traded in a tyrant in Bashar Al Asad for another tyrant in ISIS. They felt they were second class citizens in their own country. Most people don’t realise but ISIS is 95% foreign fighter. They would walk the streets and look down on the average Syrian and many of them wouldn’t return the “salaam” if greeted as they didn’t see many of the Syrians as Muslims. Yes it’s true that Syrians in general like their cigarettes, music videos, and other stuff they should leave alone but to consider them non-Muslims??? This is very far. Why is it that Syrians don’t join ISIS? Jabha Islamiyya, Jabha An Nusra, and all the other Islamic groups are predominantly Syrian with a minority mix of foreign fighters. Why not ISIS? It is because ISIS terrorised the indigenous people and no one wanted them in their country let alone join them. Their prisons were full of weak Syrians who ran afoul of their corrupt ideology. Where are those Syrians who are supposed to be cheering on the “rise” of ISIS? I don’t know of any who are.


#2 Fighting Fellow Mujaahideen
ISIS fighters in Syria are not on one single front line against Bashar Asad’s army in Syria. I know this is a shock to many who have fallen prey to the nasheed and heroic youtube videos featuring ISIS fighters but after having spent much time throughout the country I can tell you with certainty that all of their resources that well intending Muslim donors have given them are being used to fight their fellow Mujaahideen. They are no threat at all to Asad’s forces as they are not fighting them ANYWHERE in Syria. For fear of not wanting to get my account closed on Facebook I would show you pictures of how they beheaded Mujaahid fighters from Ahrar Asham, Jabha An Nusra and other groups fighting the Asad regime. How ugly is it to see the heads of bearded Muslim fighters on the floor with an ISIS fighter posing over them holding a knife and one finger in the air as if he killed these young men for the sake of Allaah. ISIS felt that ONLY they were serious about bringing Islam to the people and no one else was. Therefore they eagerly spilled the blood of those who had fought numerous battles against regime forces.
While 95% of ISIS consists of foreign fighters, it doesn’t mean that 95% of the foreign fighters have gone to ISIS. Most of the foreigners do not go to ISIS. The news media wants the people at large to believe that as it fits their narrative that “foreign fighters are a threat to their home country” narrative. Actually ISIS made things very difficult for the foreign fighters in Syria as they unlawfully imprisoned, killed, and endangered the lives of the Syrian people. Thus some of the Syrians began to dislike ALL foreign fighters due to ISIS actions as they couldn’t tell who was and who wasn’t ISIS.


#3 Support of the Scholars and People of Influence
There is not ONE scholar who came out in support of ISIS and it’s leader’s claim to khilafah. Actually it is just the opposite, they all came out in unison denouncing the claim to the caliphate in specific and the movement in general. ISIS has been denounced by several Shaykhs who are respected by people of Jihad like Shaykh Abu Muhammad Al Maqdisi, Shaykh Abdullaah AL Muhaysini, and Shaykh Abu Qatada, not to mention a huge rebuke from Ayman Zawahiri and his demand for them to pack up their operation in Syria as well.
A small amount of Muslims around the world have an apocalyptic view of how things should be and ISIS seems to suit them just fine. They feel that ISIS is on the truth simply due to the fact that the news media and the masses are against them. This can in no way be used as a proof. The world at large is against rapists, murderers, and thieves too. Can we say that they are on the truth simply because they are fiercely opposed?


How could we as Muslims not scorn a movement that has:
*NO SUPPORT OF THE COMMON PEOPLE IN THEIR LOCALE
*NO SUPPORT OF THE OTHER MUJAAHIDEEN FIGHTERS
*NO SUPPORT OF A SINGLE KNOWN SCHOLAR
Is it likely a group like this could bring benefit to the lives of the Muslims they would lead in their local area? Therefore is it likely they could bring peace and unification to the Muslims around the world? Or is it more likely that they would bring more disunity, destruction, and chaos?


Conclusion
A total lack of wisdom from this group led by Abu Bakr Baghdadi is what has hurt the legitimate aspirations of the Syrian people. Foreign fighters along with their Syrian counterparts were a big reason for the taking of huge swaths of territory during this revolution and the regime feared that mix. Notice that much territory was being taken in Iraq by Sunni forces (falsely stated that ISIS is the head of them-but that’s another story!). Also, notice that those advances have all but stopped as soon as the news broke of this new “Khalifah”. At best I think we can only say that Baghdadi’s group is sorely lacking people of wisdom in their ranks and in no way can be branded “saviours” of the Muslim nation in any way."


Let's talk in 10 years...
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
dunkang
#251 Posted : Sunday, July 13, 2014 3:33:52 PM
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On 5 June 2010, King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia said;
"There are two countries in the world that do not deserve to exist: Iran and Israel."

And a daydreamer here is talking about Cali-Fart.
Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi

quicksand
#252 Posted : Sunday, July 13, 2014 3:51:53 PM
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Joined: 7/5/2010
Posts: 2,061
Location: Nairobi
guru267 wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
"3 Things You Need to Know About ISIS" By Bilal Abdul Kareem who has spent much of the past two years filming and documenting a range of foreign fighters for several TV channels and gotten to know ISIS fighters very well:

"3 Things You Need to Know About ISIS"
=====================================
"I got to know ISIS fighters in Syria pretty good, after all I spent much of the past two years filming and documenting a range of foreign fighters for several TV channels. I can understand why some would be confused about ISIS as Muslims are very sceptical of what they see in the news media. Some wonder if it is a conspiracy against well intending Muslim fighters. I can appreciate their hesitancy. As a journalist I follow the media very closely and all we need do is look at the awful media coverage of the Gaza events to know that something is seriously wrong with mainstream media. Is this another case of such?
For easy reading I have listed 3 reasons why I believe ISIS has poisoned the Syrian revolution.


#1 Support of the People
In all honesty without any holding back of the truth, the Syrian people who lived within their territories and those who lived outside of their territories absolutely hated ISIS. Most of them felt that they had merely traded in a tyrant in Bashar Al Asad for another tyrant in ISIS. They felt they were second class citizens in their own country. Most people don’t realise but ISIS is 95% foreign fighter. They would walk the streets and look down on the average Syrian and many of them wouldn’t return the “salaam” if greeted as they didn’t see many of the Syrians as Muslims. Yes it’s true that Syrians in general like their cigarettes, music videos, and other stuff they should leave alone but to consider them non-Muslims??? This is very far. Why is it that Syrians don’t join ISIS? Jabha Islamiyya, Jabha An Nusra, and all the other Islamic groups are predominantly Syrian with a minority mix of foreign fighters. Why not ISIS? It is because ISIS terrorised the indigenous people and no one wanted them in their country let alone join them. Their prisons were full of weak Syrians who ran afoul of their corrupt ideology. Where are those Syrians who are supposed to be cheering on the “rise” of ISIS? I don’t know of any who are.


#2 Fighting Fellow Mujaahideen
ISIS fighters in Syria are not on one single front line against Bashar Asad’s army in Syria. I know this is a shock to many who have fallen prey to the nasheed and heroic youtube videos featuring ISIS fighters but after having spent much time throughout the country I can tell you with certainty that all of their resources that well intending Muslim donors have given them are being used to fight their fellow Mujaahideen. They are no threat at all to Asad’s forces as they are not fighting them ANYWHERE in Syria. For fear of not wanting to get my account closed on Facebook I would show you pictures of how they beheaded Mujaahid fighters from Ahrar Asham, Jabha An Nusra and other groups fighting the Asad regime. How ugly is it to see the heads of bearded Muslim fighters on the floor with an ISIS fighter posing over them holding a knife and one finger in the air as if he killed these young men for the sake of Allaah. ISIS felt that ONLY they were serious about bringing Islam to the people and no one else was. Therefore they eagerly spilled the blood of those who had fought numerous battles against regime forces.
While 95% of ISIS consists of foreign fighters, it doesn’t mean that 95% of the foreign fighters have gone to ISIS. Most of the foreigners do not go to ISIS. The news media wants the people at large to believe that as it fits their narrative that “foreign fighters are a threat to their home country” narrative. Actually ISIS made things very difficult for the foreign fighters in Syria as they unlawfully imprisoned, killed, and endangered the lives of the Syrian people. Thus some of the Syrians began to dislike ALL foreign fighters due to ISIS actions as they couldn’t tell who was and who wasn’t ISIS.


#3 Support of the Scholars and People of Influence
There is not ONE scholar who came out in support of ISIS and it’s leader’s claim to khilafah. Actually it is just the opposite, they all came out in unison denouncing the claim to the caliphate in specific and the movement in general. ISIS has been denounced by several Shaykhs who are respected by people of Jihad like Shaykh Abu Muhammad Al Maqdisi, Shaykh Abdullaah AL Muhaysini, and Shaykh Abu Qatada, not to mention a huge rebuke from Ayman Zawahiri and his demand for them to pack up their operation in Syria as well.
A small amount of Muslims around the world have an apocalyptic view of how things should be and ISIS seems to suit them just fine. They feel that ISIS is on the truth simply due to the fact that the news media and the masses are against them. This can in no way be used as a proof. The world at large is against rapists, murderers, and thieves too. Can we say that they are on the truth simply because they are fiercely opposed?


How could we as Muslims not scorn a movement that has:
*NO SUPPORT OF THE COMMON PEOPLE IN THEIR LOCALE
*NO SUPPORT OF THE OTHER MUJAAHIDEEN FIGHTERS
*NO SUPPORT OF A SINGLE KNOWN SCHOLAR
Is it likely a group like this could bring benefit to the lives of the Muslims they would lead in their local area? Therefore is it likely they could bring peace and unification to the Muslims around the world? Or is it more likely that they would bring more disunity, destruction, and chaos?


Conclusion
A total lack of wisdom from this group led by Abu Bakr Baghdadi is what has hurt the legitimate aspirations of the Syrian people. Foreign fighters along with their Syrian counterparts were a big reason for the taking of huge swaths of territory during this revolution and the regime feared that mix. Notice that much territory was being taken in Iraq by Sunni forces (falsely stated that ISIS is the head of them-but that’s another story!). Also, notice that those advances have all but stopped as soon as the news broke of this new “Khalifah”. At best I think we can only say that Baghdadi’s group is sorely lacking people of wisdom in their ranks and in no way can be branded “saviours” of the Muslim nation in any way."


Let's talk in 10 years...

I am disappointed. Are you a seer? Prophet? No?
No concrete counter argument to offer? The part highlighted in bold has you SPOT ON. ISIS is to you the vehicle of the Islamic apocalypse -all other facts, observations, real-politik, geopolitics, history etc etc...are just inconvenient to your apocalypse narrative
guru267
#253 Posted : Sunday, July 13, 2014 5:59:36 PM
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dunkang wrote:
On 5 June 2010, King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia said;
"There are two countries in the world that do not deserve to exist: Iran and Israel."

And a daydreamer here is talking about Cali-Fart.


what's your point here??

The Caliphate will wipe out any Shiite or Jewish state!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
guru267
#254 Posted : Sunday, July 13, 2014 6:04:35 PM
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Joined: 1/21/2010
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quicksand wrote:
guru267 wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
"3 Things You Need to Know About ISIS" By Bilal Abdul Kareem who has spent much of the past two years filming and documenting a range of foreign fighters for several TV channels and gotten to know ISIS fighters very well:

"3 Things You Need to Know About ISIS"
=====================================
"I got to know ISIS fighters in Syria pretty good, after all I spent much of the past two years filming and documenting a range of foreign fighters for several TV channels. I can understand why some would be confused about ISIS as Muslims are very sceptical of what they see in the news media. Some wonder if it is a conspiracy against well intending Muslim fighters. I can appreciate their hesitancy. As a journalist I follow the media very closely and all we need do is look at the awful media coverage of the Gaza events to know that something is seriously wrong with mainstream media. Is this another case of such?
For easy reading I have listed 3 reasons why I believe ISIS has poisoned the Syrian revolution.


#1 Support of the People
In all honesty without any holding back of the truth, the Syrian people who lived within their territories and those who lived outside of their territories absolutely hated ISIS. Most of them felt that they had merely traded in a tyrant in Bashar Al Asad for another tyrant in ISIS. They felt they were second class citizens in their own country. Most people don’t realise but ISIS is 95% foreign fighter. They would walk the streets and look down on the average Syrian and many of them wouldn’t return the “salaam” if greeted as they didn’t see many of the Syrians as Muslims. Yes it’s true that Syrians in general like their cigarettes, music videos, and other stuff they should leave alone but to consider them non-Muslims??? This is very far. Why is it that Syrians don’t join ISIS? Jabha Islamiyya, Jabha An Nusra, and all the other Islamic groups are predominantly Syrian with a minority mix of foreign fighters. Why not ISIS? It is because ISIS terrorised the indigenous people and no one wanted them in their country let alone join them. Their prisons were full of weak Syrians who ran afoul of their corrupt ideology. Where are those Syrians who are supposed to be cheering on the “rise” of ISIS? I don’t know of any who are.


#2 Fighting Fellow Mujaahideen
ISIS fighters in Syria are not on one single front line against Bashar Asad’s army in Syria. I know this is a shock to many who have fallen prey to the nasheed and heroic youtube videos featuring ISIS fighters but after having spent much time throughout the country I can tell you with certainty that all of their resources that well intending Muslim donors have given them are being used to fight their fellow Mujaahideen. They are no threat at all to Asad’s forces as they are not fighting them ANYWHERE in Syria. For fear of not wanting to get my account closed on Facebook I would show you pictures of how they beheaded Mujaahid fighters from Ahrar Asham, Jabha An Nusra and other groups fighting the Asad regime. How ugly is it to see the heads of bearded Muslim fighters on the floor with an ISIS fighter posing over them holding a knife and one finger in the air as if he killed these young men for the sake of Allaah. ISIS felt that ONLY they were serious about bringing Islam to the people and no one else was. Therefore they eagerly spilled the blood of those who had fought numerous battles against regime forces.
While 95% of ISIS consists of foreign fighters, it doesn’t mean that 95% of the foreign fighters have gone to ISIS. Most of the foreigners do not go to ISIS. The news media wants the people at large to believe that as it fits their narrative that “foreign fighters are a threat to their home country” narrative. Actually ISIS made things very difficult for the foreign fighters in Syria as they unlawfully imprisoned, killed, and endangered the lives of the Syrian people. Thus some of the Syrians began to dislike ALL foreign fighters due to ISIS actions as they couldn’t tell who was and who wasn’t ISIS.


#3 Support of the Scholars and People of Influence
There is not ONE scholar who came out in support of ISIS and it’s leader’s claim to khilafah. Actually it is just the opposite, they all came out in unison denouncing the claim to the caliphate in specific and the movement in general. ISIS has been denounced by several Shaykhs who are respected by people of Jihad like Shaykh Abu Muhammad Al Maqdisi, Shaykh Abdullaah AL Muhaysini, and Shaykh Abu Qatada, not to mention a huge rebuke from Ayman Zawahiri and his demand for them to pack up their operation in Syria as well.
A small amount of Muslims around the world have an apocalyptic view of how things should be and ISIS seems to suit them just fine. They feel that ISIS is on the truth simply due to the fact that the news media and the masses are against them. This can in no way be used as a proof. The world at large is against rapists, murderers, and thieves too. Can we say that they are on the truth simply because they are fiercely opposed?


How could we as Muslims not scorn a movement that has:
*NO SUPPORT OF THE COMMON PEOPLE IN THEIR LOCALE
*NO SUPPORT OF THE OTHER MUJAAHIDEEN FIGHTERS
*NO SUPPORT OF A SINGLE KNOWN SCHOLAR
Is it likely a group like this could bring benefit to the lives of the Muslims they would lead in their local area? Therefore is it likely they could bring peace and unification to the Muslims around the world? Or is it more likely that they would bring more disunity, destruction, and chaos?


Conclusion
A total lack of wisdom from this group led by Abu Bakr Baghdadi is what has hurt the legitimate aspirations of the Syrian people. Foreign fighters along with their Syrian counterparts were a big reason for the taking of huge swaths of territory during this revolution and the regime feared that mix. Notice that much territory was being taken in Iraq by Sunni forces (falsely stated that ISIS is the head of them-but that’s another story!). Also, notice that those advances have all but stopped as soon as the news broke of this new “Khalifah”. At best I think we can only say that Baghdadi’s group is sorely lacking people of wisdom in their ranks and in no way can be branded “saviours” of the Muslim nation in any way."


Let's talk in 10 years...

I am disappointed. Are you a seer? Prophet? No?
No concrete counter argument to offer? The part highlighted in bold has you SPOT ON. ISIS is to you the vehicle of the Islamic apocalypse -all other facts, observations, real-politik, geopolitics, history etc etc...are just inconvenient to your apocalypse narrative


Ok.. you win!

Im done arguing over this issue... Let's simply talk again in 10 years and see who will be right!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
Nandwa
#255 Posted : Sunday, July 13, 2014 9:44:24 PM
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guru267 wrote:
Wainadi wrote:
guru267 wrote:
nakujua wrote:
why don't they gang up and attack Israel


According to Muhammad's prophecy its only a matter of time before this happens!

The Arab states have to first denounce nationalism and embrace Sharia and Islamism!

I would love to see the union between Saudia and Iran. That would be the day.


Muhammad said Shiites will eventually side with Romans as you can see is happening already!

The March to Jerusalem will strictly be Sunni!


Ala when did the fault lines between Shiite and Suni form vis a vis Mohammeds existence, or did he whisper some things from outer space long after his death!

Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
Nandwa
#256 Posted : Sunday, July 13, 2014 9:55:45 PM
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Since it seems the in thing, I wish to also make a prediction of the situation in 10yrs;

Lots and lots of the illusionists/jihadists/caliphate hopefuls will fooled themselves to being dispatched to where they will further be disappointed for want of virgins!
Israel will be here, stronger and the only Cockrel crowing in the Middle East.

That is what awaits us!



Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
Wainadi
#257 Posted : Sunday, July 13, 2014 10:10:00 PM
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Nandwa wrote:
Since it seems the in thing, I wish to also make a prediction of the situation in 10yrs;

Lots and lots of the illusionists/jihadists/caliphate hopefuls will fooled themselves to being dispatched to where they will further be disappointed for want of virgins!
Israel will be here, stronger and the only Cockrel crowing in the Middle East.

That is what awaits us!




smile
Its all good.
murchr
#258 Posted : Sunday, July 13, 2014 10:20:44 PM
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Nandwa wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Wainadi wrote:
guru267 wrote:
nakujua wrote:
why don't they gang up and attack Israel


According to Muhammad's prophecy its only a matter of time before this happens!

The Arab states have to first denounce nationalism and embrace Sharia and Islamism!

I would love to see the union between Saudia and Iran. That would be the day.


Muhammad said Shiites will eventually side with Romans as you can see is happening already!

The March to Jerusalem will strictly be Sunni!


Ala when did the fault lines between Shiite and Suni form vis a vis Mohammeds existence, or did he whisper some things from outer space long after his death!



Looks like it was foretold that Shiites are anti Mohamed. Useless religion. I wonder if in Christianity there's a prediction* of how Catholics (Believers of Peter being the rock of the church) and Protestants (those who follow the teachings of Paul) will betray Christ.

For those who dont know Shia islam - followers of Mohammeds son in law and cousin Ali, & Sunni follow the so called first caliphate Abu Bakr

Seems there was a succession issue here
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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guru267
#259 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 1:47:28 AM
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murchr wrote:
For those who dont know Shia islam - followers of Mohammeds son in law and cousin Ali, & Sunni follow the so called first caliphate Abu Bakr

Seems there was a succession issue here


The only issue came with the Shiites...

Muhammad predicted Abu Bakr would become his successor... Even Ali was cool with Abu Bakr as Caliph!

Then somewhere down the line someone lied to Shiites that Ali was divine and they should have shrines and worship images of him! Similar to Catholics...

Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
guru267
#260 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 1:53:08 AM
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murchr wrote:
I wonder if in Christianity there's a prediction* of how Catholics (Believers of Peter being the rock of the church) and Protestants (those who follow the teachings of Paul) will betray Christ.


My friend ALL Christians follow Pauls teachings which did not agree with Peters!

So in that way ALL Christians betrayed Christ! And Jesus warned his 12 about the wolf in sheeps clothing Sad

If Peters teachings were followed there would be absolutely no need for Islam in this world!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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