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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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simonkabz wrote:Quote:ORENGO'S LAND GRABBING SCAM AS LANDS MINISTER; During his tenure as land minister, Hon James Orengo formed a cartel whose whole sole purpose was to identify prime land whose leasehold was expiring. Prime areas on the list were NYALI, MALINDI, KAREN and WESTLANDS. The former owners of these prime pieces of property were either British or Asian descendants who had since died or relocated to England and cared less about what they had left behind. When the 99 year leases were coming up for renewal, Orengo and his cartel would hide the files and then they would buy the properties at a very low price. They would then flip, sell and make astronomical profit. Orengo and cartel are responsible for disappearance of over 1.3 million title deeds. Jahman sema kitu.......  You want us to engage on such posts?....C'mon you are better than this!!!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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simonkabz wrote:McReggae wrote:@thimioni, did you also capture his apologies? Quote:CORRECTION: My earlier post has generated quite some disapproval from most friends and citizens on the other side. In the spirit of reconciliation, I have pulled it down. Only fools don't change their minds. Only immortals don't make mistakes. Let not this kind gesture be misconstrued to mean that I am distancing myself from the gist of that post, which was that 50 years after independence, everyone deserve a secure place to call home. By home, I don't mean whole communal and or ancestral land grabbed from one community and given to another in the usual 'mta do' context. I am opposed to mindless violence. I am also opposed to mindless assumption that all is well in relation to inter-ethnic harmony in Kenya. Prior to the 2013 general elections, the National Land Commission was among the 'constitutional institutions' mandated to handle land issues. We've seen a consistent ploy to weaken this body and have a political appointee called the Cabinet CS for Lands adjudicate land issues with impunity. We've also seen the support she gets. Be all these as they may, it is, in the final analysis, the work of the Jubilee government to deliver on land 'justice'. Once again, tudumishe amani. We are one. Tuko pamoja. Kusema na Kutenda. Twaweza. Sorry. He is a young boy who will post something different if and when MRC decide to nyoa South Coast. Stupid boy. he is foolish man but because he is young - he can be excused if he realises that he has erred! Wazee kama Muthama ndio hawawezi saidika. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Al-Shabaab has claimed responsibility and denied that there were any fatalities... They claim they burnt down staff quarters at the ranch & stole weapons & communication equipment. No fatalities or casualties. ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/26/2011 Posts: 759
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simonkabz wrote:That county is now a warzone, just not official. Lets see if anything will change once construction of the three berths commences.
Na hii maneno ya machaba eish! Kwani how hard is it to sort out this mess? I thought it was just a matter of carving out a few more schemes and dividing them to the people? @Simonkabz Mashamba issue is hard because 1) Kenyatta family owns almost half of former coast provience 2) Kenyatta family and few influencial families in Central provience deplaced Kyuk in Central to create productive land for themselve then relocate them to Coast and othr parts of the country 3) Host communities feel. justly or unjustly that the government favored Kyuks and allocated land their forefathers owned before they themselve were displaced. 4) Intergration, it's 50yrs later, these communities should have blend by now, there should be some hybrid tribe, i.e a mix of Kyuk and kales in or Kyuk and coast people. So when they talk about Land, don't expect Uhuru to solve that, unless they return Kyuk's land in Central first which is not going to happen.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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Rollout wrote:simonkabz wrote:That county is now a warzone, just not official. Lets see if anything will change once construction of the three berths commences.
Na hii maneno ya machaba eish! Kwani how hard is it to sort out this mess? I thought it was just a matter of carving out a few more schemes and dividing them to the people? @Simonkabz Mashamba issue is hard because 1) Kenyatta family owns almost half of former coast provience 2) Kenyatta family and few influencial families in Central provience deplaced Kyuk in Central to create productive land for themselve then relocate them to Coast and othr parts of the country 3) Host communities feel. justly or unjustly that the government favored Kyuks and allocated land their forefathers owned before they themselve were displaced. 4) Intergration, it's 50yrs later, these communities should have blend by now, there should be some hybrid tribe, i.e a mix of Kyuk and kales in or Kyuk and coast people. So when they talk about Land, don't expect Uhuru to solve that, unless they return Kyuk's land in Central first which is not going to happen. [disclaimer - I am not speaking for Uhunye] What is our obsession with land? hii kitu ni kama mdomo wa nyoka... meno zimepoint ndani once imeuma hakuna reverse gear! since these things are rather difficult let's start with things that can be implemented. 1. how much land is unadjudicated? can people be given land they are living on? can title deeds be given to people who are living on land? can we start looking at land as a resource rather than property? 2. who says the migration that brought the Nilotes from the north using the nile and the Bantus east and from the south has ended? right now the speed of migration should be accelerated due to infrastructure e.t.c. What normally disappoints me with the people from the coast is that they believe that they can only make a living at the coast! check out wahindi they are everywhere and making money at that! wangejifanya kukaa india... hmmm! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/26/2011 Posts: 759
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masukuma wrote:Rollout wrote:simonkabz wrote:That county is now a warzone, just not official. Lets see if anything will change once construction of the three berths commences.
Na hii maneno ya machaba eish! Kwani how hard is it to sort out this mess? I thought it was just a matter of carving out a few more schemes and dividing them to the people? @Simonkabz Mashamba issue is hard because 1) Kenyatta family owns almost half of former coast provience 2) Kenyatta family and few influencial families in Central provience deplaced Kyuk in Central to create productive land for themselve then relocate them to Coast and othr parts of the country 3) Host communities feel. justly or unjustly that the government favored Kyuks and allocated land their forefathers owned before they themselve were displaced. 4) Intergration, it's 50yrs later, these communities should have blend by now, there should be some hybrid tribe, i.e a mix of Kyuk and kales in or Kyuk and coast people. So when they talk about Land, don't expect Uhuru to solve that, unless they return Kyuk's land in Central first which is not going to happen. [disclaimer - I am not speaking for Uhunye] What is our obsession with land? hii kitu ni kama mdomo wa nyoka... meno zimepoint ndani once imeuma hakuna reverse gear! since these things are rather difficult let's start with things that can be implemented. 1. how much land is unadjudicated? can people be given land they are living on? can title deeds be given to people who are living on land? can we start looking at land as a resource rather than property? 2. who says the migration that brought the Nilotes from the north using the nile and the Bantus east and from the south has ended? right now the speed of migration should be accelerated due to infrastructure e.t.c. What normally disappoints me with the people from the coast is that they believe that they can only make a living at the coast! check out wahindi they are everywhere and making money at that! wangejifanya kukaa india... hmmm! @Masukuma You're clearly articulating the problem we have in Kenya and the problem is we don't understand where each one of us is coming from. First, you and I might hold the same point of view in terms of the importance of land because you and I probably have other things more important than land, we have other means, the problem, however, is majority of rural Kenyans don't have anything but memories, illusions and Land they think they should have had. Yes, you and I can dismiss them but they're the one who pick up the pangas and fight so if we want peace we have to meet them where they're, we need to listen to them. Secondly, a large number of Kenyan do not have a fair shot because of how the Kenyan government has been run since independence, only the rich and the connected are elected to politcal offices, get good jobs, are able to achieve they potential, majority of Kenyans don't have a fair shot, give people an opportunity and they'll never think about land. Do you know that there are still people who die of hunger in a country where others fly in choppers? Do you know that in a country where first and second lady have a budget of over 200M, people die in hospital waiting rooms becuase there are no money for beds or drugs? This is how bad the poor are having it and how good the connected has.......
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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Rollout wrote:masukuma wrote:Rollout wrote:simonkabz wrote:That county is now a warzone, just not official. Lets see if anything will change once construction of the three berths commences.
Na hii maneno ya machaba eish! Kwani how hard is it to sort out this mess? I thought it was just a matter of carving out a few more schemes and dividing them to the people? @Simonkabz Mashamba issue is hard because 1) Kenyatta family owns almost half of former coast provience 2) Kenyatta family and few influencial families in Central provience deplaced Kyuk in Central to create productive land for themselve then relocate them to Coast and othr parts of the country 3) Host communities feel. justly or unjustly that the government favored Kyuks and allocated land their forefathers owned before they themselve were displaced. 4) Intergration, it's 50yrs later, these communities should have blend by now, there should be some hybrid tribe, i.e a mix of Kyuk and kales in or Kyuk and coast people. So when they talk about Land, don't expect Uhuru to solve that, unless they return Kyuk's land in Central first which is not going to happen. [disclaimer - I am not speaking for Uhunye] What is our obsession with land? hii kitu ni kama mdomo wa nyoka... meno zimepoint ndani once imeuma hakuna reverse gear! since these things are rather difficult let's start with things that can be implemented. 1. how much land is unadjudicated? can people be given land they are living on? can title deeds be given to people who are living on land? can we start looking at land as a resource rather than property? 2. who says the migration that brought the Nilotes from the north using the nile and the Bantus east and from the south has ended? right now the speed of migration should be accelerated due to infrastructure e.t.c. What normally disappoints me with the people from the coast is that they believe that they can only make a living at the coast! check out wahindi they are everywhere and making money at that! wangejifanya kukaa india... hmmm! @Masukuma You're clearly articulating the problem we have in Kenya and the problem is we don't understand where each one of us is coming from. First, you and I might hold the same point of view in terms of the importance of land because you and I probably have other things more important than land, we have other means, the problem, however, is majority of rural Kenyans don't have anything but memories, illusions and Land they think they should have had. Yes, you and I can dismiss them but they're the one who pick up the pangas and fight so if we want peace we have to meet them where they're, we need to listen to them. Secondly, a large number of Kenyan do not have a fair shot because of how the Kenyan government has been run since independence, only the rich and the connected are elected to politcal offices, get good jobs, are able to achieve they potential, majority of Kenyans don't have a fair shot, give people an opportunity and they'll never think about land. Do you know that there are still people who die of hunger in a country where others fly in choppers? Do you know that in a country where first and second lady have a budget of over 200M, people die in hospital waiting rooms becuase there are no money for beds or drugs? This is how bad the poor are having it and how good the connected has....... I suspect you misunderstood me - my beef is not with @tycho's ilk (the poor people) but rather with Uhunye's ilk (the rich people) that hoard lots and lots of land that could have otherwise become the primary resource for many. However private property is private property... funny thing do you know that CNN's Ted Turner owns more than 2 million acres? I digress! Our solution should be based on reality - you cannot deprive something that they own legally unless it's for 'public good' e.g. roads, mines , schools e.t.c. but you can force them to sell if the land is not being meaningfully used. but since all these are things that are being expected from the political class (laws e.t.c.) we need to do what is in our control i.e. migrate! find yourself a better life elsewhere! Let me state forthrightly - I am not for equality of wealth but rather for equality of opportunity and that is why I advocate for free education at the cost of the tax payer coz and educated populace is good for the public (cc @tycho). So dangling poverty at my face and saying 'poor' people are sleeping hungry will not cut it - this is not a socialist state! Who says that you need to have your own in politics to make it? there is an ethnic group in Kenya that has never had one of it's own in Power, neither as a minister and very few MPs but does not have poor people.... it's not the Kikuyu... nor is it the Kalenjin... ni wahindi! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/22/2009 Posts: 2,449 Location: Africa
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Historical injustices or not Kenyans must be forced to understand that Nothing justifies the kind of mindless killings we are seeing. Those militias must be captured prefarably dead because anyone who commits such horrific acts does not deserve to live. Pour the army there and smoke out those criminals like was done in Mt Elgon
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/26/2011 Posts: 759
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masukuma wrote:Rollout wrote:masukuma wrote:Rollout wrote:simonkabz wrote:That county is now a warzone, just not official. Lets see if anything will change once construction of the three berths commences.
Na hii maneno ya machaba eish! Kwani how hard is it to sort out this mess? I thought it was just a matter of carving out a few more schemes and dividing them to the people? @Simonkabz Mashamba issue is hard because 1) Kenyatta family owns almost half of former coast provience 2) Kenyatta family and few influencial families in Central provience deplaced Kyuk in Central to create productive land for themselve then relocate them to Coast and othr parts of the country 3) Host communities feel. justly or unjustly that the government favored Kyuks and allocated land their forefathers owned before they themselve were displaced. 4) Intergration, it's 50yrs later, these communities should have blend by now, there should be some hybrid tribe, i.e a mix of Kyuk and kales in or Kyuk and coast people. So when they talk about Land, don't expect Uhuru to solve that, unless they return Kyuk's land in Central first which is not going to happen. [disclaimer - I am not speaking for Uhunye] What is our obsession with land? hii kitu ni kama mdomo wa nyoka... meno zimepoint ndani once imeuma hakuna reverse gear! since these things are rather difficult let's start with things that can be implemented. 1. how much land is unadjudicated? can people be given land they are living on? can title deeds be given to people who are living on land? can we start looking at land as a resource rather than property? 2. who says the migration that brought the Nilotes from the north using the nile and the Bantus east and from the south has ended? right now the speed of migration should be accelerated due to infrastructure e.t.c. What normally disappoints me with the people from the coast is that they believe that they can only make a living at the coast! check out wahindi they are everywhere and making money at that! wangejifanya kukaa india... hmmm! @Masukuma You're clearly articulating the problem we have in Kenya and the problem is we don't understand where each one of us is coming from. First, you and I might hold the same point of view in terms of the importance of land because you and I probably have other things more important than land, we have other means, the problem, however, is majority of rural Kenyans don't have anything but memories, illusions and Land they think they should have had. Yes, you and I can dismiss them but they're the one who pick up the pangas and fight so if we want peace we have to meet them where they're, we need to listen to them. Secondly, a large number of Kenyan do not have a fair shot because of how the Kenyan government has been run since independence, only the rich and the connected are elected to politcal offices, get good jobs, are able to achieve they potential, majority of Kenyans don't have a fair shot, give people an opportunity and they'll never think about land. Do you know that there are still people who die of hunger in a country where others fly in choppers? Do you know that in a country where first and second lady have a budget of over 200M, people die in hospital waiting rooms becuase there are no money for beds or drugs? This is how bad the poor are having it and how good the connected has....... I suspect you misunderstood me - my beef is not with @tycho's ilk (the poor people) but rather with Uhunye's ilk (the rich people) that hoard lots and lots of land that could have otherwise become the primary resource for many. However private property is private property... funny thing do you know that CNN's Ted Turner owns more than 2 million acres? I digress! Our solution should be based on reality - you cannot deprive something that they own legally unless it's for 'public good' e.g. roads, mines , schools e.t.c. but you can force them to sell if the land is not being meaningfully used. but since all these are things that are being expected from the political class (laws e.t.c.) we need to do what is in our control i.e. migrate! find yourself a better life elsewhere! Let me state forthrightly - I am not for equality of wealth but rather for equality of opportunity and that is why I advocate for free education at the cost of the tax payer coz and educated populace is good for the public (cc @tycho). So dangling poverty at my face and saying 'poor' people are sleeping hungry will not cut it - this is not a socialist state! Who says that you need to have your own in politics to make it? there is an ethnic group in Kenya that has never had one of it's own in Power, neither as a minister and very few MPs but does not have poor people.... it's not the Kikuyu... nor is it the Kalenjin... ni wahindi! First Ted Turner live in USA a country with an average of 2 cars per a household and average employement of over 93% and household income of apprx $53,000; No one farm for food in USA. Majority of people don't even want to own land because land is not important to their livelihood so let's not compare USA to Kenya. The problem with issue of Land in Kenya is, people with big track of Land did not buy it or atleast they used their influence to obtain it and people with big track of land are one who control decision making on issues of Land; so it's a complicated matter. I think you're a little or alot out of touch, no one is dangling poverty at you face, it's the reality, people are struggling, I don't beleieve in socialism nor equality of wealth, but a country is always better when everyone is doing better and don't get me wrong, I have done pretty good for myself but I know people in my village that never had an opportunity.
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