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The Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant
Muriel
#181 Posted : Friday, July 04, 2014 9:23:15 AM
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AlphDoti wrote:
Nandwa wrote:

We keep on being assailed on the supposed potency of mujaheedin fighters bla bla bla

How come then that most of their Countries are in a mess, and now the insinuation here is that they didnt do it themselves, it was brought to them!

@nandwa how come you don't see the fact that what we have come to know, which we didn't know before is that some of these so called mujaheedin were created by one only one US, then went into the media and portray Muslims as the bad guy? They pick some black-sheep and use them, and turn around and tell the whole world, hey look the bad guys!!

How come you don't see this?


Alphdoti,

I see it and I agree with you.

I believe Islam is being deliberately portrayed, through very ingenious methods, in a bad light so that indeed people can be told "There, in the middle east, are the bad guys."

That, I believe is just half the story. The other half of the story is what or who people will be told is the "preferable" alternative to the "bad guys in the middle east".

The thick plottens, as Symbols symbolized.
symbols
#182 Posted : Friday, July 04, 2014 10:37:31 AM
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Joined: 3/19/2013
Posts: 2,552
Muriel wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Nandwa wrote:

We keep on being assailed on the supposed potency of mujaheedin fighters bla bla bla

How come then that most of their Countries are in a mess, and now the insinuation here is that they didnt do it themselves, it was brought to them!

@nandwa how come you don't see the fact that what we have come to know, which we didn't know before is that some of these so called mujaheedin were created by one only one US, then went into the media and portray Muslims as the bad guy? They pick some black-sheep and use them, and turn around and tell the whole world, hey look the bad guys!!

How come you don't see this?


Alphdoti,

I see it and I agree with you.

I believe Islam is being deliberately portrayed, through very ingenious methods, in a bad light so that indeed people can be told "There, in the middle east, are the bad guys."

That, I believe is just half the story. The other half of the story is what or who people will be told is the "preferable" alternative to the "bad guys in the middle east".

The thick plottens, as Symbols symbolized.

What do you think is the "preferable" alternative?
tycho
#183 Posted : Friday, July 04, 2014 11:19:33 AM
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Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
symbols wrote:
Muriel wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Nandwa wrote:

We keep on being assailed on the supposed potency of mujaheedin fighters bla bla bla

How come then that most of their Countries are in a mess, and now the insinuation here is that they didnt do it themselves, it was brought to them!

@nandwa how come you don't see the fact that what we have come to know, which we didn't know before is that some of these so called mujaheedin were created by one only one US, then went into the media and portray Muslims as the bad guy? They pick some black-sheep and use them, and turn around and tell the whole world, hey look the bad guys!!

How come you don't see this?


Alphdoti,

I see it and I agree with you.

I believe Islam is being deliberately portrayed, through very ingenious methods, in a bad light so that indeed people can be told "There, in the middle east, are the bad guys."

That, I believe is just half the story. The other half of the story is what or who people will be told is the "preferable" alternative to the "bad guys in the middle east".

The thick plottens, as Symbols symbolized.

What do you think is the "preferable" alternative?


Up there on the cliff is a rough, rock protrusion, being blown by the Spirit of the Ancient of days. Cut from the cliff and hurled at the Kingdom(s) of Man.

Can't you see the writings on the wall?

There's no preference, only Judgment.
Nandwa
#184 Posted : Friday, July 04, 2014 11:34:31 AM
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Posts: 1,049
KulaRaha wrote:
Funny, I have muslim acquaintances who all talk like this, but not one will go there. they'd rather rush to the US or UK LOOOOL. Just yapping and pontificating and pretending to be holy while their eyes wander all over the place.

Hard to trust such double speak.


Hypocrisy, hypocrisy hypocrisy!
While blaming others for their own ills!
To cap it, throw in some conspiracy theories for good measure!

Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
tycho
#185 Posted : Friday, July 04, 2014 11:38:32 AM
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@Muriel, I have been puzzled by the chain of events leading to Daniel's exposition of the King's dream. How could Daniel know what the King had dreamt?

But thanks to you, a puzzle has been solved.
Muriel
#186 Posted : Friday, July 04, 2014 11:44:52 AM
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Posts: 3,142
symbols wrote:
Muriel wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Nandwa wrote:

We keep on being assailed on the supposed potency of mujaheedin fighters bla bla bla

How come then that most of their Countries are in a mess, and now the insinuation here is that they didnt do it themselves, it was brought to them!

@nandwa how come you don't see the fact that what we have come to know, which we didn't know before is that some of these so called mujaheedin were created by one only one US, then went into the media and portray Muslims as the bad guy? They pick some black-sheep and use them, and turn around and tell the whole world, hey look the bad guys!!

How come you don't see this?


Alphdoti,

I see it and I agree with you.

I believe Islam is being deliberately portrayed, through very ingenious methods, in a bad light so that indeed people can be told "There, in the middle east, are the bad guys."

That, I believe is just half the story. The other half of the story is what or who people will be told is the "preferable" alternative to the "bad guys in the middle east".

The thick plottens, as Symbols symbolized.

What do you think is the "preferable" alternative?


Peace,
Unity,
Oness,
Love,
Goodwill.

Are these not preferable things to have prevailing in the country and in the world? That all may be one?
Nandwa
#187 Posted : Friday, July 04, 2014 11:47:59 AM
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Joined: 11/17/2009
Posts: 1,049
AlphDoti wrote:
Nandwa wrote:

We keep on being assailed on the supposed potency of mujaheedin fighters bla bla bla

How come then that most of their Countries are in a mess, and now the insinuation here is that they didnt do it themselves, it was brought to them!

@nandwa how come you don't see the fact that what we have come to know, which we didn't know before is that some of these so called mujaheedin were created by one only one US, then went into the media and portray Muslims as the bad guy? They pick some black-sheep and use them, and turn around and tell the whole world, hey look the bad guys!!

How come you don't see this?


Huh!!
While your colleagues is all over the place embracing and praising the Mujaheedin for allegedly implementing Mohammed's directives and call for Caliphate, you are busy pulling on the opposite direction and crying wolf - taking refuge in the usual and tired line of conspiracy theories always blaming the west!!
Get off it bwana!!
Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
symbols
#188 Posted : Friday, July 04, 2014 12:23:55 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 3/19/2013
Posts: 2,552
Muriel wrote:
symbols wrote:
Muriel wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Nandwa wrote:

We keep on being assailed on the supposed potency of mujaheedin fighters bla bla bla

How come then that most of their Countries are in a mess, and now the insinuation here is that they didnt do it themselves, it was brought to them!

@nandwa how come you don't see the fact that what we have come to know, which we didn't know before is that some of these so called mujaheedin were created by one only one US, then went into the media and portray Muslims as the bad guy? They pick some black-sheep and use them, and turn around and tell the whole world, hey look the bad guys!!

How come you don't see this?


Alphdoti,

I see it and I agree with you.

I believe Islam is being deliberately portrayed, through very ingenious methods, in a bad light so that indeed people can be told "There, in the middle east, are the bad guys."

That, I believe is just half the story. The other half of the story is what or who people will be told is the "preferable" alternative to the "bad guys in the middle east".

The thick plottens, as Symbols symbolized.

What do you think is the "preferable" alternative?


Peace,
Unity,
Oness,
Love,
Goodwill.

Are these not preferable things to have prevailing in the country and in the world? That all may be one?

One with who or what?
Muriel
#189 Posted : Friday, July 04, 2014 12:58:13 PM
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Joined: 11/19/2009
Posts: 3,142
symbols wrote:
Muriel wrote:
symbols wrote:
Muriel wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Nandwa wrote:

We keep on being assailed on the supposed potency of mujaheedin fighters bla bla bla

How come then that most of their Countries are in a mess, and now the insinuation here is that they didnt do it themselves, it was brought to them!

@nandwa how come you don't see the fact that what we have come to know, which we didn't know before is that some of these so called mujaheedin were created by one only one US, then went into the media and portray Muslims as the bad guy? They pick some black-sheep and use them, and turn around and tell the whole world, hey look the bad guys!!

How come you don't see this?


Alphdoti,

I see it and I agree with you.

I believe Islam is being deliberately portrayed, through very ingenious methods, in a bad light so that indeed people can be told "There, in the middle east, are the bad guys."

That, I believe is just half the story. The other half of the story is what or who people will be told is the "preferable" alternative to the "bad guys in the middle east".

The thick plottens, as Symbols symbolized.

What do you think is the "preferable" alternative?


Peace,
Unity,
Oness,
Love,
Goodwill.

Are these not preferable things to have prevailing in the country and in the world? That all may be one?

One with who or what?


Tough question!

But does it matter? If it did, the mujahideen would loose their potency.
Muriel
#190 Posted : Friday, July 04, 2014 1:00:34 PM
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Joined: 11/19/2009
Posts: 3,142
tycho wrote:
@Muriel, I have been puzzled by the chain of events leading to Daniel's exposition of the King's dream. How could Daniel know what the King had dreamt?

But thanks to you, a puzzle has been solved.



What are you talking about, brother?
symbols
#191 Posted : Friday, July 04, 2014 1:32:57 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 3/19/2013
Posts: 2,552
Muriel wrote:
symbols wrote:
Muriel wrote:
symbols wrote:
Muriel wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Nandwa wrote:

We keep on being assailed on the supposed potency of mujaheedin fighters bla bla bla

How come then that most of their Countries are in a mess, and now the insinuation here is that they didnt do it themselves, it was brought to them!

@nandwa how come you don't see the fact that what we have come to know, which we didn't know before is that some of these so called mujaheedin were created by one only one US, then went into the media and portray Muslims as the bad guy? They pick some black-sheep and use them, and turn around and tell the whole world, hey look the bad guys!!

How come you don't see this?


Alphdoti,

I see it and I agree with you.

I believe Islam is being deliberately portrayed, through very ingenious methods, in a bad light so that indeed people can be told "There, in the middle east, are the bad guys."

That, I believe is just half the story. The other half of the story is what or who people will be told is the "preferable" alternative to the "bad guys in the middle east".

The thick plottens, as Symbols symbolized.

What do you think is the "preferable" alternative?


Peace,
Unity,
Oness,
Love,
Goodwill.

Are these not preferable things to have prevailing in the country and in the world? That all may be one?

One with who or what?


Tough question!

But does it matter? If it did, the mujahideen would loose their potency.

It does.A lot.
Muriel
#192 Posted : Friday, July 04, 2014 2:15:29 PM
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Posts: 3,142
symbols wrote:
Muriel wrote:
symbols wrote:
Muriel wrote:
symbols wrote:
Muriel wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Nandwa wrote:

We keep on being assailed on the supposed potency of mujaheedin fighters bla bla bla

How come then that most of their Countries are in a mess, and now the insinuation here is that they didnt do it themselves, it was brought to them!

@nandwa how come you don't see the fact that what we have come to know, which we didn't know before is that some of these so called mujaheedin were created by one only one US, then went into the media and portray Muslims as the bad guy? They pick some black-sheep and use them, and turn around and tell the whole world, hey look the bad guys!!

How come you don't see this?


Alphdoti,

I see it and I agree with you.

I believe Islam is being deliberately portrayed, through very ingenious methods, in a bad light so that indeed people can be told "There, in the middle east, are the bad guys."

That, I believe is just half the story. The other half of the story is what or who people will be told is the "preferable" alternative to the "bad guys in the middle east".

The thick plottens, as Symbols symbolized.

What do you think is the "preferable" alternative?


Peace,
Unity,
Oness,
Love,
Goodwill.

Are these not preferable things to have prevailing in the country and in the world? That all may be one?

One with who or what?


Tough question!

But does it matter? If it did, the mujahideen would loose their potency.

It does.A lot.

Ok,

"christianity" that opposes "fundamentalism".
symbols
#193 Posted : Friday, July 04, 2014 2:40:06 PM
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Joined: 3/19/2013
Posts: 2,552
Muriel wrote:
symbols wrote:
Muriel wrote:
symbols wrote:
Muriel wrote:
symbols wrote:
Muriel wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Nandwa wrote:

We keep on being assailed on the supposed potency of mujaheedin fighters bla bla bla

How come then that most of their Countries are in a mess, and now the insinuation here is that they didnt do it themselves, it was brought to them!

@nandwa how come you don't see the fact that what we have come to know, which we didn't know before is that some of these so called mujaheedin were created by one only one US, then went into the media and portray Muslims as the bad guy? They pick some black-sheep and use them, and turn around and tell the whole world, hey look the bad guys!!

How come you don't see this?


Alphdoti,

I see it and I agree with you.

I believe Islam is being deliberately portrayed, through very ingenious methods, in a bad light so that indeed people can be told "There, in the middle east, are the bad guys."

That, I believe is just half the story. The other half of the story is what or who people will be told is the "preferable" alternative to the "bad guys in the middle east".

The thick plottens, as Symbols symbolized.

What do you think is the "preferable" alternative?


Peace,
Unity,
Oness,
Love,
Goodwill.

Are these not preferable things to have prevailing in the country and in the world? That all may be one?

One with who or what?


Tough question!

But does it matter? If it did, the mujahideen would loose their potency.

It does.A lot.

Ok,

"christianity" that opposes "fundamentalism".

We started talking about two different things at "one with" but I think I understand now.
ecstacy
#194 Posted : Saturday, July 05, 2014 4:31:43 PM
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For the first time the photo of Sheikh Abu Bakar Al-Baqdadi, the leader of the IS is released

https://twitter.com/Daud...408185637818368/photo/1
symbols
#195 Posted : Saturday, July 05, 2014 5:15:49 PM
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ecstacy wrote:
For the first time the photo of Sheikh Abu Bakar Al-Baqdadi, the leader of the IS is released

https://twitter.com/Daud...408185637818368/photo/1

Interesting.

Iraqi Isis Leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi 'Severely Injured and Flees to Syria'
ecstacy
#196 Posted : Saturday, July 05, 2014 5:20:20 PM
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symbols wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
For the first time the photo of Sheikh Abu Bakar Al-Baqdadi, the leader of the IS is released

https://twitter.com/Daud...408185637818368/photo/1

Interesting.

Iraqi Isis Leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi 'Severely Injured and Flees to Syria'


Very interesting..meanwhile, Iran reports it's first casualty in Iraq - An Iranian pilot dead battling IS. Unclear whether it was on the ground or an airborne incident. Iran is largely there to defend Shia holy sites in Samarra.
guru267
#197 Posted : Saturday, July 05, 2014 7:49:58 PM
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symbols wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
For the first time the photo of Sheikh Abu Bakar Al-Baqdadi, the leader of the IS is released

https://twitter.com/Daud...408185637818368/photo/1

Interesting.

Iraqi Isis Leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi 'Severely Injured and Flees to Syria'


Wachana na hearsay!

You may not like who comes if the Emir is killed
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
symbols
#198 Posted : Saturday, July 05, 2014 8:08:39 PM
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Posts: 2,552
guru267 wrote:
symbols wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
For the first time the photo of Sheikh Abu Bakar Al-Baqdadi, the leader of the IS is released

https://twitter.com/Daud...408185637818368/photo/1

Interesting.

Iraqi Isis Leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi 'Severely Injured and Flees to Syria'


Wachana na hearsay!

You may not like who comes if the Emir is killed

Yes it isn't verified but surprise surprise a photo appearsLaughing out loudly

So who will come if the Emir is killed?
ecstacy
#199 Posted : Monday, July 07, 2014 10:13:33 PM
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Unlike what 'our' local peeps of the Umma would like us to think, one of the Imams of Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem, Salah al-Din ibn Ibrahim Abu Arafa, Imam of the third holiest place in Sunni Islam, criticized ISIS clerics and their motives, stating that they are seeking power instead of the establishment of an Islamic state. So much for "laying the ground work for the Islamic State"

guru267
#200 Posted : Monday, July 07, 2014 10:39:16 PM
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ecstacy wrote:
Unlike what 'our' local peeps of the Umma would like us to think, one of the Imams of Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem, Salah al-Din ibn Ibrahim Abu Arafa, Imam of the third holiest place in Sunni Islam, criticized ISIS clerics and their motives, stating that they are seeking power instead of the establishment of an Islamic state. So much for "laying the ground work for the Islamic State"



@ectsacy surely... I really hope you don't form opinions based on one view!

There are plenty of Sunni Muslims who think ISIS are terrorists who says they are not laying the ground work??

Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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