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Is Taking a Mortgage the WORST Decision Ever??
quicksand
#311 Posted : Saturday, June 28, 2014 10:41:52 AM
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ChumsQuest wrote:
ChumsQuest wrote:
mawinder wrote:
kamundu wrote:
[quote=omhangla]There are these arpatments; Milimani excutive arpatments (Hazina close) build by NSSF. 34 million for 3 bedroom. is it a fair deal


No its not a good deal.
34million can buy you a 4 bedrrom house with an SQ on kiambu road for 32M

SOLD OUT IN 11 DAYS OFF PLAN!!!!!!!!!
http://www.businessdaily.../-/jl2wp0z/-/index.html[/quote]

Wow! I'm speechless.

I think many are speculating, not wanting to carry to full term but expecting the value of the apartments to rise to 40 or 45 million within a year or so and hence making a quick, fat profit.
Me thinks they are in for a small surprise. My prediction is the rise in value will not be that big, especially if the units are many. There are plenty of luxury homes with few takers already.
MaichBlack
#312 Posted : Wednesday, July 02, 2014 7:00:56 PM
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For the fellows who were thinking I was being over ambitious with my estimates on NSE returns, sample this!

Quote:
Equity first bought into HF in July 2007 when it teamed up with Britam to acquire CDC Group Plc’s 24.99 per cent stake in a deal that saw the lender pay Sh433 million for its stake (20.17 per cent).

The two partners increased their stakes the next year when HF made a rights issue at the ratio of one-for-one in a cash call that the government and the National Social Security Fund (NSSF) skipped.

This saw Equity’s stake in HF rise to the current level, with Britam’s jumping to 21.46 per cent.

The twin transactions have overtime proved lucrative for the two institutions with Equity’s stake surging to the current market value of Sh2.2 billion based on HF’s share price of Sh42.75.

This means that Equity stands to harvest a return of more than 500 per cent, including dividends that the lender has been receiving from HF over the years.


Link

This one too...

Quote:
The share [Housing Finance] has gained 64.3 per cent over the past year, making it the best performing bank on the Nairobi bourse over the period.

Equity has gained 44 per cent in the period, KCB (35.1 per cent), Standard Chartered (10.7 per cent) and Barclays Bank (6.39 per cent).


And that's in a year of "dialogue", Al shabaab, travel advisories, run away insecurity etc.!!!

Spin doctors, over to you! Spin that one!!!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
MaichBlack
#313 Posted : Wednesday, July 02, 2014 7:11:20 PM
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As if that is not juicy enough, pleace note Housing Finance was trading at 51/= today!!! [not 42.75/=].

Do the Math.
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
KenyanEconomist
#314 Posted : Wednesday, July 02, 2014 7:22:50 PM
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MaichBlack, I agree that Housing Finance and Equity Bank are great stocks (I own both). But it is a fallacy to suggest that the Nairobi market generates out-sized returns just because of the few examples you have given . You are making a hasty generalization to only give a few examples (and with the advantage of hindsight).
MaichBlack
#315 Posted : Wednesday, July 02, 2014 7:49:12 PM
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KenyanEconomist wrote:
MaichBlack, I agree that Housing Finance and Equity Bank are great stocks (I own both). But it is a fallacy to suggest that the Nairobi market generates out-sized returns just because of the few examples you have given . You are making a hasty generalization to only give a few examples (and with the advantage of hindsight).

I am not making a hasty generalization. I'm living what I preach. I own both. And not by accident!! You need to know what you are a doing in this market.

I'll forgive you for your assumption(s) coz you are new [ok, you might be an elder in a hello's skin!] but you can go through old threads and you'll see what I'm talking about. We are here to make money not to be a talk shop fueled by hindsight.

As others a busy asking why, we are busy asking why not!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
MaichBlack
#316 Posted : Wednesday, July 02, 2014 8:45:33 PM
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KenyanEconomist wrote:
But it is a fallacy to suggest that the Nairobi market generates out-sized returns just because of the few examples you have given . You are making a hasty generalization to only give a few examples (and with the advantage of hindsight).


You call this hindsight???

When that thread was started [2 years ago!] Housing Finance was at 15/=. two weeks later, there was a fellow who was overjoyed when it hit 16.50/= [see post #11]. Two years later we are at 51/=!!!

Returns: (51 - 15)/15 * 100 = 240%

240% returns in two years!!! No hindsight!!! It was discussed in broad daylight!! Anyone with eyes and ears....

As for the Thomases...
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
whiteowl
#317 Posted : Thursday, July 03, 2014 12:01:37 AM
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MaichBlack wrote:
KenyanEconomist wrote:
But it is a fallacy to suggest that the Nairobi market generates out-sized returns just because of the few examples you have given . You are making a hasty generalization to only give a few examples (and with the advantage of hindsight).


You call this hindsight???

When that thread was started [2 years ago!] Housing Finance was at 15/=. two weeks later, there was a fellow who was overjoyed when it hit 16.50/= [see post #11]. Two years later we are at 51/=!!!

Returns: (51 - 15)/15 * 100 = 240%

240% returns in two years!!! No hindsight!!! It was discussed in broad daylight!! Anyone with eyes and ears....

As for the Thomases...


@Maich I own some britam which is at the center of the current musical chairs.got in @9 so after about 1 year you can see why I'm all smiles. Let these guys continue doubting n sitting on the sidelines watching us make REAL money.And btw this is my 4th stock to hit over 50% in 1 year.
MaichBlack
#318 Posted : Thursday, July 03, 2014 5:07:30 AM
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whiteowl wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
KenyanEconomist wrote:
But it is a fallacy to suggest that the Nairobi market generates out-sized returns just because of the few examples you have given . You are making a hasty generalization to only give a few examples (and with the advantage of hindsight).


You call this hindsight???

When that thread was started [2 years ago!] Housing Finance was at 15/=. two weeks later, there was a fellow who was overjoyed when it hit 16.50/= [see post #11]. Two years later we are at 51/=!!!

Returns: (51 - 15)/15 * 100 = 240%

240% returns in two years!!! No hindsight!!! It was discussed in broad daylight!! Anyone with eyes and ears....

As for the Thomases...


@Maich I own some britam which is at the center of the current musical chairs.got in @9 so after about 1 year you can see why I'm all smiles. Let these guys continue doubting n sitting on the sidelines watching us make REAL money.And btw this is my 4th stock to hit over 50% in 1 year.

Congrats!!! And these same fellows will be calling you an illuminati in 10 years wondering where you got all the money and yet they used to work in the same company and were probably earning a higher salary than you!!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
target1360
#319 Posted : Thursday, July 03, 2014 6:21:05 AM
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Location: nairobi
Maich you are right.Several counters have already doubled my initial investment, but one needs to know cleary what they are doing
I find satisfaction in owning great business,not trading them
ChumsQuest
#320 Posted : Thursday, July 03, 2014 6:58:38 AM
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MaichBlack wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
KenyanEconomist wrote:
But it is a fallacy to suggest that the Nairobi market generates out-sized returns just because of the few examples you have given . You are making a hasty generalization to only give a few examples (and with the advantage of hindsight).


You call this hindsight???

When that thread was started [2 years ago!] Housing Finance was at 15/=. two weeks later, there was a fellow who was overjoyed when it hit 16.50/= [see post #11]. Two years later we are at 51/=!!!

Returns: (51 - 15)/15 * 100 = 240%

240% returns in two years!!! No hindsight!!! It was discussed in broad daylight!! Anyone with eyes and ears....

As for the Thomases...


@Maich I own some britam which is at the center of the current musical chairs.got in @9 so after about 1 year you can see why I'm all smiles. Let these guys continue doubting n sitting on the sidelines watching us make REAL money.And btw this is my 4th stock to hit over 50% in 1 year.

Congrats!!! And these same fellows will be calling you an illuminati in 10 years wondering where you got all the money and yet you used to work in the same company and were probably earning a higher salary than you!!

@Whiteowl, how much is Britam trading for now? I need these kind of investment stories so I feel strong enough to take the plunge...@Maich, I will be talking to you soonest coz I see you know what it is when it comes to stocks...
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