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Carbacid Investments AGM
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#11 Posted : Saturday, December 12, 2009 6:47:20 AM
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I'm 22 and i need 2% of Carbacid but i will wait for it until it hits 50 bob then i will go for the kill...in this bearish market patience pays.
Juojo
#12 Posted : Monday, December 14, 2009 7:11:43 AM
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What centum did about the Rasimu deal was just a safe buy. As a bright investor you dont just buy as yourself but also use another company to hold onto a new investment, 'not putting your eggs in 1 basket , incase of any problems! The separate entity principle.

Then the Carb deal is inline with their main industry,BEVERAGE!! by owning all the cocacola bottlers, its also wise to buy the sole supplier of CO2. That was quite bright.People have to take SODA!
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#13 Posted : Monday, December 14, 2009 9:19:55 AM
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Juojo - What advantage does Centum have owning Carbacid shares under Rasimu?

As an ORDINARY shareholder, Centum faces no risk (except loss of its 'value') if Carbacid makes losses. Creditors of Carbacid cannot force ORDINARY shareholders of Carbacid to pay anything extra...
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Juojo
#14 Posted : Monday, December 14, 2009 12:24:29 PM
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Vituvingi- Its not even about the the Carb deal but the overall benefits associated with using a subsidiary in a venture.
Certain developments in a company's lifecycle can trigger the need for a subsidiary, such as the launch of a new venture with different risk characteristics than the company’s existing line of business(CO2 industry is quite new to them) or the opening of operations in a new region or foreign country. Other times, companies need to form subsidiaries to facilitate the potential sale of part of the company.This will also shield itself from possible financial fallout from its new venture and make it easier and faster to acquire or dispose any of the investments held by the subsidiary.


FROM AN ACCOUNTING PERSPECTIVE, creating a subsidiary makes sense because it allows companies to enjoy substantial tax benefits (not so sure) and creditor protections.

But a business doesn’t have to be involved in a risky operation to justify the creation of a new subsidiary. Any time you’re starting a new venture, there’s always risk of loss .You want to protect the profitable part of the business from the losses of the new business you are starting, and by putting the new business into a separate subsidiary, you can do that.So I think Centum is just prudent and cautious n also trying to diversify risk. Kuddos.

Given the benefits associated with forming subsidiaries, it’s not surprising that virtually all sizable companies use them. It’s also not surprising that companies sometimes misuse them.( eg the case of the NewYork Taxi Cabs in US)


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#15 Posted : Tuesday, December 15, 2009 8:50:41 AM
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@juojo - The only 'plus' I see is if Centum decides to sell 'Rasimu' as a company to BOC.

If you own shares directly in a firm (Centum owning shares in Carbacid) then you need CMA permission for a 'big' move. You can always sell the entity (Rasimu) to someone else without triggering CMA's need to look at the deal since the shareholder has not changed but the shareholder's shareholders have changed...
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#16 Posted : Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:13:33 AM
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@VVS Isn't that grossly unethical? Will BOC be paying the market price?
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, December 15, 2009 11:12:04 AM
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The issue is NOT the ethics of BOC but the problem they face/d with the regulators due to lack of proper guidelines.

If the seller (Centum) wishes to sell Rasimu to BOC... then why is BOC at fault?
Price: That can be negotiated. Market price is a guide.

Centum could sell on the market (incurs brokerage costs as well as price discovery issues) or sell Rasimu in one piece to a buyer.
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