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@tycho so apart from dialoging what's the role of government where service delivery is concerned? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:Impunity wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:If you look at your last post @masukuma, you may see all the contradiction you have, and the ground shifting.
But; who according to you needs the votes of the poor? the politicians.... by the way politicians are not synonymous with the rich. So, are the politicians poor, middle class, or rich? Your arguments are just going round and round and round without giving anything worthwhile! I finished my argument a long time ago. Now I have been asking @masukuma questions. And if he answers then he'll show his argument to be inconsistent. I have not received a counter argument from you so far. What's your position; do the poor have a claim to public funds? I am quite coherent - not being synonymous means 'not all rich people are politicians and not all politicians are rich!' Comprende? Lol! If some politicians are poor, and they need the votes of the poor, then definitely the political process of voting generates value for the poor. And that the poor deserve a fair share of the value generated. in your head there only two classes of people sio? Rich and Poor? so when I say 'Not all politicians are rich' your brain processes that to mean 'some politicians are poor' sio? Hahahaha! Do you want me to show you a poor politician? bado unasoma vitu zako! i never said 'there are poor' politicians. kichwa yako inasoma vitu inataka niseme but sio zile nimesema. let me repeat.... public funds are not poor people's funds - i dare say the 'say' on what happens to public funds should be weighed on contribution but the reason this does not happen is because the poor have the votes that put politicians in office. being a politician is not syonymous with being rich. for the middleclass and the rich their preoccupation should be 'how are my taxes helping me'. if 'helping me' intercects with 'helping the poor' then they should be happy since everyone wins. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:Impunity wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:If you look at your last post @masukuma, you may see all the contradiction you have, and the ground shifting.
But; who according to you needs the votes of the poor? the politicians.... by the way politicians are not synonymous with the rich. So, are the politicians poor, middle class, or rich? Your arguments are just going round and round and round without giving anything worthwhile! I finished my argument a long time ago. Now I have been asking @masukuma questions. And if he answers then he'll show his argument to be inconsistent. I have not received a counter argument from you so far. What's your position; do the poor have a claim to public funds? I am quite coherent - not being synonymous means 'not all rich people are politicians and not all politicians are rich!' Comprende? Lol! If some politicians are poor, and they need the votes of the poor, then definitely the political process of voting generates value for the poor. And that the poor deserve a fair share of the value generated. in your head there only two classes of people sio? Rich and Poor? so when I say 'Not all politicians are rich' your brain processes that to mean 'some politicians are poor' sio? Hahahaha! Do you want me to show you a poor politician? bado unasoma vitu zako! i never said 'there are poor' politicians. kichwa yako inasoma vitu inataka niseme but sio zile nimesema. let me repeat.... public funds are not poor people's funds - i dare say the 'say' on what happens to public funds should be weighed on contribution but the reason this does not happen is because the poor have the votes that put politicians in office. being a politician is not syonymous with being rich. for the middleclass and the rich their preoccupation should be 'how are my taxes helping me'. if 'helping me' intercects with 'helping the poor' then they should be happy since everyone wins. Masukuma, if I can show you a poor politician then I can show that 'some politicians are poor'. And on the other hand, showing that all politicians aren't poor is impossible. Otherwise your 'considered opinion' is both false, unfair and unjust.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/27/2012 Posts: 851 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:@Washiku, I'll first tell you why those roads linking farms to markets aren't in a good condition. The farmers can't control the prices of their commodities to the extent of influencing infrastructure to their advantage. The idea that they have a market is false. Markets are constructed politically.
So, the people need something that can't be constructed for them.
@mkeiy, the situation is dire if a people's dictator is needed. But Africa has been full of such dictators. Wasn't Moi such a leader? Gaddafi? Why don't we have our industries flourishing?
Development and infrastructure are co-dependent, it's not that infrastructure causes development. Development is the ability of a political unit to negotiate and create markets to meet needs. @tycho. I am from Masaku . I know what i want. Not the sort you are telling us to want. Most of Africa's dictators are NOT PEOPLE'S DICTATORS. Moi. Mobotu n the ilk. However, Kagame is. Farm produce is reaching Masaku town on time and farmers pocketing better sales than before that road. How about you respect that.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:@tycho so apart from dialoging what's the role of government where service delivery is concerned? 1. Creating synergies in research and development 2. Promotion of corporate networks and digital capital to the grassroots and globally 3. Provision and coordination of security services 4. Execution, control and maintainance of common projects 5. Diplomacy and legal representation on the global level 6. Creation and control of laws conducive for the flourishing of all citizens 7. Multicultural coexistence education and promotion The dialogue can add to the list the limits are mutualism and power to all.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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mkeiy wrote:tycho wrote:@Washiku, I'll first tell you why those roads linking farms to markets aren't in a good condition. The farmers can't control the prices of their commodities to the extent of influencing infrastructure to their advantage. The idea that they have a market is false. Markets are constructed politically.
So, the people need something that can't be constructed for them.
@mkeiy, the situation is dire if a people's dictator is needed. But Africa has been full of such dictators. Wasn't Moi such a leader? Gaddafi? Why don't we have our industries flourishing?
Development and infrastructure are co-dependent, it's not that infrastructure causes development. Development is the ability of a political unit to negotiate and create markets to meet needs. @tycho. I am from Masaku . I know what i want. Not the sort you are telling us to want. Most of Africa's dictators are NOT PEOPLE'S DICTATORS. Moi. Mobotu n the ilk. However, Kagame is. Farm produce is reaching Masaku town on time and farmers pocketing better sales than before that road. How about you respect that. What am I telling you to want? Do you speak for every one else, how do you know what they want? As for produce that has always been there getting to Masaku on time, I say that's good; but not good enough. So respecting your view is not stating mine? Or me not thinking about your views?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Impunity wrote:tycho wrote:Impunity wrote:tycho wrote:Impunity wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:If you look at your last post @masukuma, you may see all the contradiction you have, and the ground shifting.
But; who according to you needs the votes of the poor? the politicians.... by the way politicians are not synonymous with the rich. So, are the politicians poor, middle class, or rich? Your arguments are just going round and round and round without giving anything worthwhile! I finished my argument a long time ago. Now I have been asking @masukuma questions. And if he answers then he'll show his argument to be inconsistent. I have not received a counter argument from you so far. What's your position; do the poor have a claim to public funds? Take your questions to parliament and senate, you will be answered well. Wacha kutuumiza akili! Why Parliament or Senate? Why shouldn't the voter be asked these questions? I think you're one very miseducated person if this is the kind of response you can give to this critical matter. With all your education why cant you answer your questions yourself? I wish you could finish your dose! I can't answer them by myself because they are supposed to be answered communally. Eti dose? Hahahahaha! Send it via mpesa.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/11/2007 Posts: 694
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murchr wrote:@tycho so apart from dialoging what's the role of government where service delivery is concerned? Tyco is a philosopher asking him about service delivery/development will make him confuse his followers. Let him stick to philosophy.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:Impunity wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:If you look at your last post @masukuma, you may see all the contradiction you have, and the ground shifting.
But; who according to you needs the votes of the poor? the politicians.... by the way politicians are not synonymous with the rich. So, are the politicians poor, middle class, or rich? Your arguments are just going round and round and round without giving anything worthwhile! I finished my argument a long time ago. Now I have been asking @masukuma questions. And if he answers then he'll show his argument to be inconsistent. I have not received a counter argument from you so far. What's your position; do the poor have a claim to public funds? I am quite coherent - not being synonymous means 'not all rich people are politicians and not all politicians are rich!' Comprende? Lol! If some politicians are poor, and they need the votes of the poor, then definitely the political process of voting generates value for the poor. And that the poor deserve a fair share of the value generated. in your head there only two classes of people sio? Rich and Poor? so when I say 'Not all politicians are rich' your brain processes that to mean 'some politicians are poor' sio? Hahahaha! Do you want me to show you a poor politician? bado unasoma vitu zako! i never said 'there are poor' politicians. kichwa yako inasoma vitu inataka niseme but sio zile nimesema. let me repeat.... public funds are not poor people's funds - i dare say the 'say' on what happens to public funds should be weighed on contribution but the reason this does not happen is because the poor have the votes that put politicians in office. being a politician is not syonymous with being rich. for the middleclass and the rich their preoccupation should be 'how are my taxes helping me'. if 'helping me' intercects with 'helping the poor' then they should be happy since everyone wins. Masukuma, if I can show you a poor politician then I can show that 'some politicians are poor'. And on the other hand, showing that all politicians aren't poor is impossible. Otherwise your 'considered opinion' is both false, unfair and unjust. like talking to a brick... Symbols ndio anaweza communicate na huyu jamaa. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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tycho wrote:murchr wrote:@tycho so apart from dialoging what's the role of government where service delivery is concerned? 1. Creating synergies in research and development 2. Promotion of corporate networks and digital capital to the grassroots and globally 3. Provision and coordination of security services 4. Execution, control and maintainance of common projects 5. Diplomacy and legal representation on the global level 6. Creation and control of laws conducive for the flourishing of all citizens 7. Multicultural coexistence education and promotion The dialogue can add to the list the limits are mutualism and power to all. Lets focus on No.4 "Execution, control and maintainance of common projects" Wouldn't a road be that common project? It looks like to me. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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