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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Impunity wrote:Quote:SHOCKING: Governor Alfred Mutua’s LAUNCHED ‘super highway’ already FALLING apart one WEEK LATER! The yellow colour dividing the two lanes of Mutua’s much hyped road has faded away. The road, as one user pointed out, is so old like it has been there all along. This is the 33km road bitumen road build within a period of three months and which the Machakos governor Dr. Alfred Mutua billed as the fastest built highway in Africa. Well, it seems time was the main idea. How long will my road take to be built? Three months, that’s what I want. Now a week into existence, the road looks dilapidated and tired despite the fact that less than 1000 vehicles have used it. It brings into focus the ‘hurry to develop’ without thinking and planning. |Kenya Today| Photo: Road situation now  Are you sure that is Mutua's road? ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,335 Location: Masada
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McReggae wrote:Impunity wrote:Quote:SHOCKING: Governor Alfred Mutua’s LAUNCHED ‘super highway’ already FALLING apart one WEEK LATER! The yellow colour dividing the two lanes of Mutua’s much hyped road has faded away. The road, as one user pointed out, is so old like it has been there all along. This is the 33km road bitumen road build within a period of three months and which the Machakos governor Dr. Alfred Mutua billed as the fastest built highway in Africa. Well, it seems time was the main idea. How long will my road take to be built? Three months, that’s what I want. Now a week into existence, the road looks dilapidated and tired despite the fact that less than 1000 vehicles have used it. It brings into focus the ‘hurry to develop’ without thinking and planning. |Kenya Today| Photo: Road situation now  Are you sure that is Mutua's road? Yes, on the end near Thika-Garissa road...looks very byaaad! Portfolio: Sold You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:kysse wrote:@tycho of course I know,just not keen..
What has your governor done for you? Do you have issues that require his attention? Have you approached him as a voter to advice him? What did he say?
Firstly @kysse, not being keen on Ward level politics is the same as not knowing what happens and is a negation of political responsibility, and is still slave politics. To your questions: My governor has done nothing for me, and I haven't sought an audience with him to offer any advice. This is because the governor, and most governors, have in fact neglected their duty in promoting constitutional structures that can allow such dialogue to take place without uneven costs. In my case, Ward committee elections were mismanaged, and there was no effort by any county official to harness human resources for this important exercise. So far, I haven't seen a single governor working on this crucial aspect of development. Need I say that individual attempts to go to his office as an individual are politically futile? Before elections, it was discovered that no county in Kenya could generate enough revenues to meet the expenses each was expected to incur. Now my governor has raised costs- and many governors have done so - but shows no effort in boosting incomes. Incidentally, Nairobi has more and better roads than Machakos; of what good are these roads if they don't improve household earnings? A slum like Korogocho has tarmacked roads, but are the people earning more? Probably from crime. the question of household earnings and government expenditure is a touchy issue but i will share my opinion! 1. Government money is first supposed to be used for 'PUBLIC GOOD'! public good is things like Roads, Security and Education (coz you were schooled kwa deni). (enter kansiime's accent) You Ask yourself ! who are majority of the tax payers? what are their needs? (end kansiime's accent) - it's the rich and the middle class... the poor hardly pay any tax!! 2. After satisfying the above - find out... what is the minimum standard of living we expect a citizen of this country to live under? with the extras from the above... work towards raising the basics of these poor folks. it's my considered opinion that PUBLIC FUNDS are not POOR PEOPLE'S FUNDS. We cannot be a social society from the get go and expect to flourish. If I am forking 50k a month as PAYE (not that I do...)... I expect that the roads I use should not be forcing me to fix shocks every few months. You make me wonder what entails a considered opinion. Not all tax is income tax. And while the poor are not taxed on their incomes, they are taxed on other things, directly and indirectly. So it can't be that public funds aren't poor people's funds. Kindly, show me a country where only the rich and middle class are taxed, or where the poor are taxed less than the rich - total tax burden. Truly we are politically naive. If the middle class have a heavy tax burden, then they are in fact, poor. Couldn,t have said it better...we never agreed with @Masukuma a while back on this... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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Impunity wrote:McReggae wrote:Impunity wrote:Quote:SHOCKING: Governor Alfred Mutua’s LAUNCHED ‘super highway’ already FALLING apart one WEEK LATER! The yellow colour dividing the two lanes of Mutua’s much hyped road has faded away. The road, as one user pointed out, is so old like it has been there all along. This is the 33km road bitumen road build within a period of three months and which the Machakos governor Dr. Alfred Mutua billed as the fastest built highway in Africa. Well, it seems time was the main idea. How long will my road take to be built? Three months, that’s what I want. Now a week into existence, the road looks dilapidated and tired despite the fact that less than 1000 vehicles have used it. It brings into focus the ‘hurry to develop’ without thinking and planning. |Kenya Today| Photo: Road situation now  Are you sure that is Mutua's road? Yes, on the end near Thika-Garissa road...looks very byaaad!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/15/2006 Posts: 3,908
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I think the whole idea and execution is superb. Though the dialog continues...
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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@Impunity, have you see the road yourself?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,941
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Ati dialogue continues .... Why are Kenyans so like want this road and other Mutua's projects to fail. Surely let us give the guy a chance and evaluate him proper after like 3 years 2017! Funny kichapo Mutua is getting while the other 46 Governors are just snoozing! Including Kidero! In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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Angelica _ann wrote:Ati dialogue continues ....
Why are Kenyans so like want this road and other Mutua's projects to fail. Surely let us give the guy a chance and evaluate him proper after like 3 years 2017!
Funny kichapo Mutua is getting while the other 46 Governors are just snoozing! Including Kidero! Exactly my question...Guys more obsessed in proving how Mutua's project are not real but forgets there others who has nothing to show...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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maka wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:kysse wrote:@tycho of course I know,just not keen..
What has your governor done for you? Do you have issues that require his attention? Have you approached him as a voter to advice him? What did he say?
Firstly @kysse, not being keen on Ward level politics is the same as not knowing what happens and is a negation of political responsibility, and is still slave politics. To your questions: My governor has done nothing for me, and I haven't sought an audience with him to offer any advice. This is because the governor, and most governors, have in fact neglected their duty in promoting constitutional structures that can allow such dialogue to take place without uneven costs. In my case, Ward committee elections were mismanaged, and there was no effort by any county official to harness human resources for this important exercise. So far, I haven't seen a single governor working on this crucial aspect of development. Need I say that individual attempts to go to his office as an individual are politically futile? Before elections, it was discovered that no county in Kenya could generate enough revenues to meet the expenses each was expected to incur. Now my governor has raised costs- and many governors have done so - but shows no effort in boosting incomes. Incidentally, Nairobi has more and better roads than Machakos; of what good are these roads if they don't improve household earnings? A slum like Korogocho has tarmacked roads, but are the people earning more? Probably from crime. the question of household earnings and government expenditure is a touchy issue but i will share my opinion! 1. Government money is first supposed to be used for 'PUBLIC GOOD'! public good is things like Roads, Security and Education (coz you were schooled kwa deni). (enter kansiime's accent) You Ask yourself ! who are majority of the tax payers? what are their needs? (end kansiime's accent) - it's the rich and the middle class... the poor hardly pay any tax!! 2. After satisfying the above - find out... what is the minimum standard of living we expect a citizen of this country to live under? with the extras from the above... work towards raising the basics of these poor folks. it's my considered opinion that PUBLIC FUNDS are not POOR PEOPLE'S FUNDS. We cannot be a social society from the get go and expect to flourish. If I am forking 50k a month as PAYE (not that I do...)... I expect that the roads I use should not be forcing me to fix shocks every few months. You make me wonder what entails a considered opinion. Not all tax is income tax. And while the poor are not taxed on their incomes, they are taxed on other things, directly and indirectly. So it can't be that public funds aren't poor people's funds. Kindly, show me a country where only the rich and middle class are taxed, or where the poor are taxed less than the rich - total tax burden. Truly we are politically naive. If the middle class have a heavy tax burden, then they are in fact, poor. Couldn,t have said it better...we never agreed with @Masukuma a while back on this... the poor are not taxed for anything... they don't buy most things that have taxes on them! the poor don't pay taxes period! anything that the poor get taxed on indirectly - everyone else gets taxed on the same! food stuff is not taxed so tuwache kuwa naive.... the only reason this stays this way is because the poor have votes! it's one man one vote not one shilling in taxation for 1 vote! do you remember the top 1% of people in the US argument? that 1% was reponsible for 40% of all taxes paid and the bottom 47% paid nothing! the 52% paid the rest of the 60% in decreasing order! Mali ya umma sio mali ya maskini!  All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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@Masukuma, it's not just what you believe; give us some links at least to prove your point. Here are mine for starters: http://www.theguardian.c...-rich-poor-tax-research
http://www.businessdaily.../-/uv17l4z/-/index.html
http://www.businessinsid...y-all-the-taxes-2013-12
Then the two arguments that: 1. The taxes that the poor pay applies to all people can't be equal to the poor don't pay tax. 2. That the poor are only needed for their votes is also not true. Universal suffrage has come a long way and with changing rationality. In fact, you're calling the poor fools because their political activity is for nought. Finally whether you agree with me or not, you still prove me right that all this talk is about pseudo-development because it's about making those who are already comfortable more comfortable while the poor languish with no hope. And you can't say which governor isn't working; for what if he lets the rich and middle class spend the money in trips and luxury as they seem to be doing? Isn't that equally effective in your scheme of things?
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