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Lamu/Mpeketoni
vky
#541 Posted : Thursday, June 26, 2014 12:59:31 PM
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Impunity wrote:
vky wrote:
guru267 wrote:
harrydre wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Mpeketoni attackers??



These must have been neutralized in this incident!


Whenever KDF bombs villages we are talking maybe 5 militants and 75 innocents dead!

Then Shabaab will be back for more revenge and the spiral continues!


what KDF rangers have done to civilians in somali is utterly inhumane and KDF should be condemned for this but then again they will always deny because the rangers were never there in the first place! but what happens is that a KDF unit is informed of a few militants in a village, they get frustrated in fishing them out since they cant storm the village and clear everybody so they hold the position and when night falls in rangers are scrambled from nairobbery, they parachute into the village and kill all the inhabitants of that village afer which they are extracted back to nairobi in time for their morning tea while the unit holdimg outside the village in somali deny it was them because of their orders to hold position while a whole village of a couple of hundred people lie dead


Any credible link to this allegation please?
d'oh! d'oh!


no link! plausible deniability! unconventional warfare!
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simonkabz
#542 Posted : Thursday, June 26, 2014 1:21:25 PM
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vky wrote:
Impunity wrote:
vky wrote:
guru267 wrote:
harrydre wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Mpeketoni attackers??



These must have been neutralized in this incident!


Whenever KDF bombs villages we are talking maybe 5 militants and 75 innocents dead!

Then Shabaab will be back for more revenge and the spiral continues!


what KDF rangers have done to civilians in somali is utterly inhumane and KDF should be condemned for this but then again they will always deny because the rangers were never there in the first place! but what happens is that a KDF unit is informed of a few militants in a village, they get frustrated in fishing them out since they cant storm the village and clear everybody so they hold the position and when night falls in rangers are scrambled from nairobbery, they parachute into the village and kill all the inhabitants of that village afer which they are extracted back to nairobi in time for their morning tea while the unit holdimg outside the village in somali deny it was them because of their orders to hold position while a whole village of a couple of hundred people lie dead


Any credible link to this allegation please?
d'oh! d'oh!


no link! plausible deniability! unconventional warfare!

Danganya toto-ise. Watching too many movies.
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
kyt
#543 Posted : Thursday, June 26, 2014 1:50:04 PM
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guru267 wrote:
Mpeketoni attackers??


for whatever reason, this lady wants everybody to be convinced it was AS who did it!! sasa video za mujahideen si tumeona nyingi.
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Kratos
#544 Posted : Friday, June 27, 2014 10:59:56 AM
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aemathenge
#545 Posted : Sunday, June 29, 2014 11:07:51 AM
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This Mpeketoni "thing" is getting complex by the day.

Sarah Elderkin has an interesting perspective here: http://goo.gl/u0Ex5b

The conversation that follows is right out of a political thriller.

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In the aftermath, to top it all, Kenyatta, having pinpointed interior secretary Joseph ole Lenku, inspector-general of police David Kimaiyo and CID boss Muhoro Ndegwa as having serious questions to answer about the response to the incident, decides to put Kimaiyo in charge of a cluster of security forces!

How sincere can we believe Kenyatta was in questioning the conduct and abilities of the three? It looks as though this was simply for form’s sake.

And the latest decision looks like an offshoot of the main objective – or perhaps it was even the main objective, and the start of a plan for executive control of the security sector in its entirety, completely reversing the gains (so far only on paper) of the new Constitution.

Clearly, some people know exactly what is happening. Nothing is as it seems.

Is a ruthless government again achieving its aims by contracting someone else to perpetrate a crime, and then engaging in public weeping and wailing over the same crime, in order to fake its innocence?

Many current events could be seen as part of a plot to ensure the ‘100 years’ rule. We ignore the undertones at our peril. And we need to ask ourselves: Are we being set up?
wanyee
#546 Posted : Sunday, June 29, 2014 11:49:12 AM
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And if i may beg to know, who is she refering to as 'we'???As who are 'them' set to rule for 100 years??This appears a sustained avalanche of PR in all spheres...and Still Uhuru will get a rousing state visit to the US this will squash that concoted narrative of east vs west myth..and as well as the criminal tag..it may be as well spin that elderkin is M16
aemathenge
#547 Posted : Sunday, June 29, 2014 11:54:48 AM
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wanyee wrote:
And if i may beg to know, who is she refering to as 'we'???As who are 'them' set to rule for 100 years??This appears a sustained avalanche of PR in all spheres...and Still Uhuru will get a rousing state visit to the US this will squash that concoted narrative of east vs west myth..and as well as the criminal tag..it may be as well spin that elderkin is M16

My concern is that "local" conditions exist that "externals", whoever they may be, will exploit.
guru267
#548 Posted : Sunday, June 29, 2014 3:06:42 PM
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kyt wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Mpeketoni attackers??


for whatever reason, this lady wants everybody to be convinced it was AS who did it!! sasa video za mujahideen si tumeona nyingi.


Si you were the ones crying that it cannot be Shabaab because some attackers spoke fluent Swahili?

Stop crying politics or when you wake up from your tribal dreams coast and north eastern will look like North Nigeria!
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Deuteronomy 4:16
McReggae
#549 Posted : Sunday, July 06, 2014 12:13:41 PM
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Upto 21 bodies have been retrieved in the fresh Mpeketoni attacks, what the hell!!!
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Nandwa
#550 Posted : Sunday, July 06, 2014 12:20:54 PM
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McReggae wrote:
Upto 21 bodies have been retrieved in the fresh Mpeketoni attacks, what the hell!!!


Your answer
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Statement by PORK on the attack in Lamu County – June 17, 2014.
Fellow Kenyans,
In the last 48 hours, more than 50 Kenyans were murdered as they went about their normal daily activities, by criminals in Lamu
County…
On my behalf, that of the Government and the People of Kenya, I express my deepest sympathy to the families who lost their loved ones, as well as those who were affected by the unjustifiable and barbaric attack…
I cannot find words to adequately express my shock and outrage at the tragedy of this brutal and heinous crime…
My Government stands in solidarity with everyone affected by this tragedy: the bereaved and those injured, physically and psychologically…
The Government will meet the funeral expenses of the sadly departed compatriots and give them a dignified send-off..
We will ensure that the injured receive the required medical attention…
I wish them speedy recovery and resumption of their normal life…
To those that lost their properties, the government will stand with you in their reconstruction…
Fellow Kenyans,
We are all hurting. Many of us are angry… I share and understand your feelings, and wish to state as follows:
We live at a time when our people are vulnerable to reckless leaders and hate-mongers, who manipulate them, to create hate, intolerance and fanaticism…
This makes them easy prey to radicalization and crime… Reckless leaders propagate the unlawful message that some are more or less Kenyan than others…
Dangerous leaders preach the insidious message that some people are holy whilst others are evil…
The sum total of these campaigns is to portray certain people as less human, and therefore less deserving of compassion and consideration, and perhaps, fair game for brutality and abuse…
Such leaders divide instead of unite, scatter where they should gather, and destroy where they should build…
They also make it easy for terrorists to operate comfortably among us, and to inflict murder and mayhem on innocent Kenyans…
The attack in Lamu was well planned, orchestrated, and politically motivated ethnic violence against a Kenyan community, with the intention of profiling and evicting them for political reasons… This therefore, was not an Al Shabaab terrorist attack…
Evidence indicates that local political networks were involved in the planning and execution of the heinous attacks…
This also played into the opportunist networks of other criminal gangs…
It is now clear that intelligence on this attack was availed to the security officers in Mpeketoni…
Unfortunately, the officers did not act accordingly. This negligence and abdication of duty and responsibility is unacceptable…
Accordingly, all concerned officers have been suspended and will be charged immediately in a court of law…
Any other officers that will be found to have failed will face a similar fate… Kenyans expect no less…
Public office of whatever rank and stature is a high trust… Every officer who abdicates his or her professional standards, or engages in corruption or neglects his duty, casts his lot with terrorists, rapists, robbers, murderers and other criminals…
Because they condone crime through their slack and complicit conduct, they are the facilitators and collaborators of terrorists and criminal activity, and must be discarded from the system and dealt with firmly…
To restore normalcy in the affected areas, my Government has enhanced security in Lamu…
We are also focusing attention on actors and other entities that are actively engaged in other flashpoints around the country…
Kenyans and the Government in particular, have, over the last several weeks, observed frenzied political rhetoric laced with ethnic profiling of some Kenyan communities and obvious acts of incitement to lawlessness and possible violence…
The inciters have also given examples of other countries where thousands of citizens have died and been maimed in similar circumstances…
This rhetoric is unacceptable and will not be condoned…
My Deputy and I undertook to make sure that the country will never go the route of ethnic division and political violence…
I reiterate that Kenya will not go that route again! We will not allow
Kenya to go down this violent path again…
To these political actors, I relay to you the disappointment of the people of this country, in those who think that leadership is a sport…
Those of you given to ill-thought, intemperate and reckless speech andconduct, are now on notice: there will be accountability in accordance with the law…
Reckless rhetoric, incitement and negative propaganda do not constitute responsible leadership… They will not be tolerated…
Those unwilling to work to unite Kenyans will not have the space to divide them…
There is no constitutional protection for hate speech, incitement and other abuses of free speech…
I call on every Kenyan to do their part fully in ensuring that no crime succeeds due to failure on their part…
To wananchi, I urge each of you to stay vigilant. Know everything going on around you…
Do not speculate or hesitate. Report anything that strikes you as odd, and let the security services take the appropriate action… I also urge you not to take the law into your hands…
Fellow Kenyans, I am satisfied that, for the most part, our security agencies have performed well and thwarted innumerable terrorist and other criminal conspiracies and attempts…
Security is a vital national requirement; everyone living in Kenya has a right to expect the security of their persons and property as well as those of their loved ones…
Fellow Kenyans,
We have been victims of terrorism in the past and the threat of terrorcontinues to hang over us…
Fellow Kenyans, As we mourn the dead, condole with the bereaved and comfort the injured, I ask every one of us to reflect deeply on what each must do to keep our country safe, and to be our brother’s and sister’s keeper…
I also urge every Kenyan to revisit our core values and remember who we are…
Fear and helplessness are not, and will never be our way of
life…
Together, we shall grow and keep rising. Let us not give space for those who want us to be afraid, or divided…
I also take this opportunity to assure every Kenyan that no matter the challenges assailing us, my Government stands with the people and works for all Kenyans wherever they are…
God bless you all
Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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