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washiku wrote:tycho wrote:I have nothing against governor Mutua, or any other governor, but the political and economic reality of our times can't guarantee the success of the ideas being fronted. It doesn't matter how long the road can last.
The development ideas we've grown in are demodé. The thinking of most of us, that county government and the state can, and should develop infrastructure and citizen welfare is dead and buried. Like the 'Dodo'.
I have no doubt that we're a miseducated lot, and are en route to reaping the whirlwind.
Boss, according to you, what do you think the Machakos people need? May I again use the example of back home in village set up. People are extremely hardworking. They grow crops they rear animals. Market is available in Nairobi and Mombasa. But what happens? 1. They plant, it rains cabagges rot in shambas coz no lorry can access those farms. All those people need is a road. Mutual has given his people a road. 2. When they are sick, they travel for kms looking for better treatment at a Catholic's Mission hospital where they pay sth but get treated. What they need there is a reliable dispensary/health centre hospital. Mutua has given his people that. 3. When there is no rain, the people still suffer. How? They plant but their crops dry up. Their animals suffer for lack of water. For Mutual, he launched water harvesting just the other day and distributed tanks. 4. Those who involve themselves in other businesses like hotels can not be sustained by just the locals. They need something that can attract buyers from other regions. For Mutual, he gave them the People's Park. Did I hear all the hotels are booked? I wonder who can't see the trickle down effect caused by such a situation. Those hotels will need adequate waiters, cleaners, food stuffs, etc etc... Kenyans are not lazy and thus are not looking for someone who will given them free food, they are looking for enabling environment that will enable them to do their job in peace. If those are not the kind of things Machakos people want, I would be interested in hearing whatythey are looking for!!!! Where is the LIKE button when you need it?  If we had 5 gavanas like Mutua, Kenya would move from a 3rd World. He has my Presidential vote.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/27/2012 Posts: 851 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:maka wrote:tycho wrote:The other day I said that I was skeptical of such development strategies that involve an 'enlightened' governor acting without communal dialogue, some thought that my skepticism was groundless. But alas, I still hold on to my skepticism. I think we are so used to mediocrity that a little show of positivity leaves us in awe... It's sad when people think that tarmac roads, cctvs, electric trains, electricity supply, and even technocities necessarily imply 'development'. It could also mean extending of markets by the undeveloped for the developed. Let me give some proof that the latter is in fact the case. First take Kenya as a whole. Since 1963, the number of tarmac roads, buildings, electricity supply, education facilities, recreational facilities and the like have increased. But have they qualified Kenya as a developed country? Now Nigeria has been hesitant to sign an Economic Partnership Agreement with the EU, why? Because it's feared that within a decade it may be very hard for African countries to sustain local industries. So just like in China there are unoccupied cities (ghost cities) counties risk building the same things that few 'natives' can live in. It will all depend on how much the expected beneficiaries can earn and spend. For those who say, 'disregard the paperwork', they are as good as those who say, 'disregard corruption', or the global implications of our choices. Same mistake made by African chiefs and kings before colonization. Some could exchange their sovereignty for a goat, or wine. Now, aren't goats positive? Finally, @Lolest has spoken about 'process bureaucracy'. Globalization is doing away with such; but it won't necessarily imply African development. @tycho, It's not that desperate. Trying to be all that smart. If roads means nothing development-wise, i urge for some enlightenment on matters development. If you have ever used that road, you would know how urgent it was NEEDED,not wanted. Infrastructure is development that spurs development. Multiplier effect. Otherwise why are we all crowded along the major transport corridors? How would goods and services move without roads? About paperwork, that very paperwork/democracy has held this country back. A lot of bureaucracy for nothing. Samsung,Hyundai,Daewoo etc, all those South Korean Chaebols are as a result of disregard to bureaucracy. A people's dictator brought development to South Korea. A people's dictator brought the same to Malaysia. Kagame will bring the same to Rwanda,Zenawi tried in Ethiopia. I hope Mutua succeeds in Masaku. OTHERWISE, WHAT IS DEVELOPMENT?
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/27/2012 Posts: 851 Location: Nairobi
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Impunity wrote:
We dont want Machakos residents to be left with eyesore "development" 1 year later...we should build roads for posterity!
The money used on those supposedly streets lights and cameras should have been used to build a more standard road; a world class road and not a village foot path!
@Impunity, Ain't this the patronizing attitude we all abhor from the wazungu? How about you leave us Masaku people,live? The road has been an eyesore since independence, has your all-knowing attitude brought us rockets to Mars? How many governors are wasting that 600mn on things that nobody needs? Us Masaku people need this road. It's better than nothing. Now to your governor, what has he done with his 600mn?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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@Washiku, I'll first tell you why those roads linking farms to markets aren't in a good condition. The farmers can't control the prices of their commodities to the extent of influencing infrastructure to their advantage. The idea that they have a market is false. Markets are constructed politically.
So, the people need something that can't be constructed for them.
@mkeiy, the situation is dire if a people's dictator is needed. But Africa has been full of such dictators. Wasn't Moi such a leader? Gaddafi? Why don't we have our industries flourishing?
Development and infrastructure are co-dependent, it's not that infrastructure causes development. Development is the ability of a political unit to negotiate and create markets to meet needs.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Mukiri wrote:washiku wrote:tycho wrote:I have nothing against governor Mutua, or any other governor, but the political and economic reality of our times can't guarantee the success of the ideas being fronted. It doesn't matter how long the road can last.
The development ideas we've grown in are demodé. The thinking of most of us, that county government and the state can, and should develop infrastructure and citizen welfare is dead and buried. Like the 'Dodo'.
I have no doubt that we're a miseducated lot, and are en route to reaping the whirlwind.
Boss, according to you, what do you think the Machakos people need? May I again use the example of back home in village set up. People are extremely hardworking. They grow crops they rear animals. Market is available in Nairobi and Mombasa. But what happens? 1. They plant, it rains cabagges rot in shambas coz no lorry can access those farms. All those people need is a road. Mutual has given his people a road. 2. When they are sick, they travel for kms looking for better treatment at a Catholic's Mission hospital where they pay sth but get treated. What they need there is a reliable dispensary/health centre hospital. Mutua has given his people that. 3. When there is no rain, the people still suffer. How? They plant but their crops dry up. Their animals suffer for lack of water. For Mutual, he launched water harvesting just the other day and distributed tanks. 4. Those who involve themselves in other businesses like hotels can not be sustained by just the locals. They need something that can attract buyers from other regions. For Mutual, he gave them the People's Park. Did I hear all the hotels are booked? I wonder who can't see the trickle down effect caused by such a situation. Those hotels will need adequate waiters, cleaners, food stuffs, etc etc... Kenyans are not lazy and thus are not looking for someone who will given them free food, they are looking for enabling environment that will enable them to do their job in peace. If those are not the kind of things Machakos people want, I would be interested in hearing whatythey are looking for!!!! Where is the LIKE button when you need it? If we had 5 gavanas like Mutua, Kenya would move from a 3rd World. He has my Presidential vote. It's your thinking that's making Kenya a third world state.
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tycho wrote:@Washiku, I'll first tell you why those roads linking farms to markets aren't in a good condition. The farmers can't control the prices of their commodities to the extent of influencing infrastructure to their advantage. The idea that they have a market is false. Markets are constructed politically.
So, the people need something that can't be constructed for them.
@mkeiy, the situation is dire if a people's dictator is needed. But Africa has been full of such dictators. Wasn't Moi such a leader? Gaddafi? Why don't we have our industries flourishing?
Development and infrastructure are co-dependent, it's not that infrastructure causes development. Development is the ability of a political unit to negotiate and create markets to meet needs. So tell me, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS NEEDED BY MACHAKOS PEOPLE? If today you were a governor in Machakos, what would you do? A direct and straight answer please. Not philosophies.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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washiku wrote:tycho wrote:@Washiku, I'll first tell you why those roads linking farms to markets aren't in a good condition. The farmers can't control the prices of their commodities to the extent of influencing infrastructure to their advantage. The idea that they have a market is false. Markets are constructed politically.
So, the people need something that can't be constructed for them.
@mkeiy, the situation is dire if a people's dictator is needed. But Africa has been full of such dictators. Wasn't Moi such a leader? Gaddafi? Why don't we have our industries flourishing?
Development and infrastructure are co-dependent, it's not that infrastructure causes development. Development is the ability of a political unit to negotiate and create markets to meet needs. So tell me, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS NEEDED BY MACHAKOS PEOPLE? If today you were a governor in Machakos, what would you do? A direct and straight answer please. Not philosophies. I have already answered the question in the above posts. And it has to have 'philosophies'. So read and understand.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/27/2012 Posts: 851 Location: Nairobi
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FRM2011 wrote:Swenani wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Okay people let's focus here. When I first visited the machakos people's park, I was sold instantly to governor mutua's maendeleo chap chap. Then I started hearing murmurs. A complaint here, a grumbling there.
The wastage is the most recurring grievance. The electricity bill for the park and machakos-kyumvi road is in tens of millions. Now the rumour is that the cost of installing street lighting in the new road is kes. 200mn.
And CCTV in a village road ??? Like seriously ???
My biggest question as an outsider is ;
If mutua is so great, why are so many guys in machakos complaining.
Just visit mlolongo or machakos town. Pop into garden hotel, teatot, merchant or 680. Ask the locals about their governor and you will realize there is a serious problem with governor mutua.
When muthama started fighting mutua, only the mp for yatta was on muthama's side. Now at least four MPs are openly against him. The deputy governor is fighting him. Half of the MCAs are fighting him.
One more thing, @swenani would really love club 680 in mlolongo. How many fish did you eat? Wapembawanajuanakwavilemba On a different note am still trying to understand the issue of wastage and mismanagement of county funds. From my understanding, the COB have a budget coordinator and budget controller in each of the 47 counties who are supposed to approve all the budgets as well as approve all the financial reports and expenses. If there are mismanagement and wastage of the public funds then we should fry Agnes Odhiambo @swenani, let me just say the devil's first born daughter works there. On serious business, I got messed up financially trying to help someone with an LPO from machakos govt. Now the soonest we are expecting payment is Aug. Which means, machakos county will spend next year's allocation to clear outstanding debts for the current FY. Where did the funds earmarked for our LPO go ? Well, the police vehicles, the CCTV in the village e.t.c. Ati controller of budget ? In machakos mutual is everything. @FRM2011, Starting with the blue part, Mutua is not loved in and around Machakos town. Those are Muthama people. Local politics. The red part makes it personal. You've got some axe or two to grind here making your assessment subjective. All in all, away from Macha town, Mutua is doing pretty well. MCAs everywhere are becoming demi-gods. They want foreign trips before they approve anything. If the governor refuses, they start fighting him. Ask why Kivutha let his Makueni MCAs take that Asia trip.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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mkeiy wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Swenani wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Okay people let's focus here. When I first visited the machakos people's park, I was sold instantly to governor mutua's maendeleo chap chap. Then I started hearing murmurs. A complaint here, a grumbling there.
The wastage is the most recurring grievance. The electricity bill for the park and machakos-kyumvi road is in tens of millions. Now the rumour is that the cost of installing street lighting in the new road is kes. 200mn.
And CCTV in a village road ??? Like seriously ???
My biggest question as an outsider is ;
If mutua is so great, why are so many guys in machakos complaining.
Just visit mlolongo or machakos town. Pop into garden hotel, teatot, merchant or 680. Ask the locals about their governor and you will realize there is a serious problem with governor mutua.
When muthama started fighting mutua, only the mp for yatta was on muthama's side. Now at least four MPs are openly against him. The deputy governor is fighting him. Half of the MCAs are fighting him.
One more thing, @swenani would really love club 680 in mlolongo. How many fish did you eat? Wapembawanajuanakwavilemba On a different note am still trying to understand the issue of wastage and mismanagement of county funds. From my understanding, the COB have a budget coordinator and budget controller in each of the 47 counties who are supposed to approve all the budgets as well as approve all the financial reports and expenses. If there are mismanagement and wastage of the public funds then we should fry Agnes Odhiambo @swenani, let me just say the devil's first born daughter works there. On serious business, I got messed up financially trying to help someone with an LPO from machakos govt. Now the soonest we are expecting payment is Aug. Which means, machakos county will spend next year's allocation to clear outstanding debts for the current FY. Where did the funds earmarked for our LPO go ? Well, the police vehicles, the CCTV in the village e.t.c. Ati controller of budget ? In machakos mutual is everything. @FRM2011, Starting with the blue part, Mutua is not loved in and around Machakos town. Those are Muthama people. Local politics. The red part makes it personal. You've got some axe or two to grind here making your assessment subjective. All in all, away from Macha town, Mutua is doing pretty well. MCAs everywhere are becoming demi-gods. They want foreign trips before they approve anything. If the governor refuses, they start fighting him. Ask why Kivutha let his Makueni MCAs take that Asia trip. Politics is always personal, involving many interests, and a politician is judged in his constituency.
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