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Is Taking a Mortgage the WORST Decision Ever??
mv_ufanisi
#301 Posted : Tuesday, June 24, 2014 9:28:33 PM
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This housing problem is all a making of the failure of urban planning. It just seems that you have to have atleast 30 million to own a decent house in Nairobi if you don't want to live in an apartment. Tatu City could have helped in this regard but they seem to be forever stuck. Centum should consider taking over that project. Kenyans will continue to have a lower quality of life unless we see more controlled mega projects like Tatu City was proposing.
mawinder
#302 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 7:47:32 AM
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kamundu wrote:
omhangla wrote:
There are these arpatments; Milimani excutive arpatments (Hazina close) build by NSSF. 34 million for 3 bedroom. is it a fair deal


No its not a good deal.
34million can buy you a 4 bedrrom house with an SQ on kiambu road for 32M

SOLD OUT IN 11 DAYS OFF PLAN!!!!!!!!!
http://www.businessdaily...0/-/jl2wp0z/-/index.html
MaichBlack
#303 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 8:40:27 AM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
sanity wrote:
I built my own home in the outskirts of Nbi...After all the 3 yrs hustle,The challenges reamins especially in things beyond my control.
1.Whenever it rains,getting to my home is a challenge yaani the road gets washed away because the council has not any roads.
2.Lack of a proper sewer system brings serious challenges.
3.My neighbour has put up temporary structures next to his unfished house..damn1
4.My other neighbour has put up containers and is planning to rent them out as shops
5.No schools nearby
6.No shopping centre nearby
7.I have to leave my home before 530am everyday to beat the morning traffic.
8.Security...no problem though..not with my 4 rottweillers which shit all over my 1/4 plot.
Well,despite these challenges,Sometimes I think that I made the good decision.Maybe in future this issue esp on the gavas side will get resolved.The bottom line is when you decide to build your own home be ready to face all these challenges amongst others..


Finally an honest opinion, yes this is the decision one has to make between a mortgage and kujenga. One has to be very careful especially if you have school going children.

Kwani hauwezi jenga mahali you have all this services?

People built in controlled areas like Harambee Estate in Donholm, a couple of gated estates next to ICIPE in Kasarani etc. and it didn't cost them an arm and a leg. And this estates have everything close to them.

There are also serviced flats/apartments in Mombasa road going for 5 - 6 million - close to schools, shopping centers etc. What stops anyone from buying them - in cash!!

You don't have to choose between mortgage and going to the bundus! Between these two extremes, we have very many other options!

Life is not binary. Let's stop behaving as if it is!!!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
MaichBlack
#304 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 8:48:26 AM
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A recent survey by real estate managers, Hass Consult, found that housing sales volumes rose in the first three months of the year, "but most markedly for cash-financed high-end properties".

In contrast, the real estate market for middle-income earners has been almost flat with prices dipping in the second half of last year.

The slow uptake in the middle and low income earners has been attributed to high cost of mortgages which they have to rely on to finance purchases. The two levels, however, have the largest demand for housing.

As at end of last year, Kenya had 19,879 mortgage loan accounts worth Sh138 billion which meant that the average mortgage size was Sh6.9 million. The average interest rate charged on the loans was 16.4 per cent.


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Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
jaggernaut
#305 Posted : Friday, June 27, 2014 2:42:23 PM
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sanity wrote:
I built my own home in the outskirts of Nbi...After all the 3 yrs hustle,The challenges reamins especially in things beyond my control.
1.Whenever it rains,getting to my home is a challenge yaani the road gets washed away because the council has not any roads.
2.Lack of a proper sewer system brings serious challenges.
3.My neighbour has put up temporary structures next to his unfished house..damn1
4.My other neighbour has put up containers and is planning to rent them out as shops
5.No schools nearby
6.No shopping centre nearby
7.I have to leave my home before 530am everyday to beat the morning traffic.
8.Security...no problem though..not with my 4 rottweillers which shit all over my 1/4 plot.
Well,despite these challenges,Sometimes I think that I made the good decision.Maybe in future this issue esp on the gavas side will get resolved.The bottom line is when you decide to build your own home be ready to face all these challenges amongst others..


These are more or less the same challenges the residents of Runda, Karen, Loresho etc faced years ago when they bought plots in the 'outskirts' of nairobi in what were former coffee farms. But they had a vision and with time they have turned the muddy coffee farms into Kenya's most prestigious residential estates. If they could do it then, you and your neighbours can do it in the 21st century.
Chaka
#306 Posted : Friday, June 27, 2014 3:24:26 PM
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jaggernaut wrote:

These are more or less the same challenges the residents of Runda, Karen, Loresho etc faced years ago when they bought plots in the 'outskirts' of nairobi in what were former coffee farms. But they had a vision and with time they have turned the muddy coffee farms into Kenya's most prestigious residential estates. If they could do it then, you and your neighbours can do it in the 21st century.

I believe some of these challenges will be difficult to overcome when some of the neighbours
have 80x40 plots..
ChumsQuest
#307 Posted : Saturday, June 28, 2014 9:23:34 AM
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MaichBlack wrote:
kiwaru wrote:
And a lesson i have learnt is that high risk-high return investments need to be anchored in low risk-low return investments because there is a season for... and a season for...

I agree with you @kiwaru. You need to balance risk. I'll tell you for a fact, one of my long term goals is to build a block of flats.

Now, do rentals have the same yield as stocks? Not by a country mile! Returns in the stock exchange are far much higher that what you would get from rentals [surprise, surprise!]

Then why would I want to do flats.

1) My kids - They don't need much 'financial education' to collect rent if God forbid I was not around anymore. They might not necessarily fair too well in the stock market if they don't have the interest. The block of flats would be my security for them!

2) I might get tired of the stock market as I grow older - maybe prefer travelling to analyzing stocks and company performance. Luckily I will have the mother of all passive incomes.

3) Stability - Despite what happened in the US, rentals would provide a defense to any shocks that might be experienced in the future!

4) Risk averse(ness) - As you grow old, you become more risk averse. Low risk, low return will do. And in any case, you should have made your money in your younger ages and probably in old age you are just interested in protecting it from inflation!

But the fact remains, I will not do my block of flats on 15%+ interest mortgage. Best case scenario [henceforth referred to as 'the plan'. He he he], is to make my money in the stock market and else where then "park" some of the money in a block of flats!

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ChumsQuest
#308 Posted : Saturday, June 28, 2014 9:56:57 AM
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MaichBlack wrote:
omhangla wrote:
There are these arpatments; Milimani excutive arpatments (Hazina close) build by NSSF. 34 million for 3 bedroom. is it a fair deal

This is exactly what I was saying!!! 34 million for a fourth floor house. And this is NSSF which is supposed to be "cheaper" than the other sharks!!!

If you were to pay for this house using a 20 year mortgage [at 16% interest], it would cost you Kshs. 473,027/= every month!!!

Kshs. 473,027/= per month for the next 20 years [hoping the rates don't go up!!!] during those 20 years!!!

If it hits 25% like it did a couple of years ago, your monthly payments go up to Kshs. 713,393.52/=!! For a three bedroom apartment!!!

And then some fellows will tell you you can accelerate payments!!! To what??? A million a month maybe?? And what business are you in??

d'oh! d'oh! d'oh! This is now ridiculous!!! Ati 34m for a 3 bed...Kenyans have lost their mind. This is where the street con-men have relocated = real estate..
Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you

ChumsQuest
#309 Posted : Saturday, June 28, 2014 10:00:06 AM
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mawinder wrote:
kamundu wrote:
[quote=omhangla]There are these arpatments; Milimani excutive arpatments (Hazina close) build by NSSF. 34 million for 3 bedroom. is it a fair deal


No its not a good deal.
34million can buy you a 4 bedrrom house with an SQ on kiambu road for 32M

SOLD OUT IN 11 DAYS OFF PLAN!!!!!!!!!
http://www.businessdaily.../-/jl2wp0z/-/index.html[/quote]
Wow! I'm speechless..
ChumsQuest
#310 Posted : Saturday, June 28, 2014 10:01:54 AM
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ChumsQuest wrote:
mawinder wrote:
kamundu wrote:
[quote=omhangla]There are these arpatments; Milimani excutive arpatments (Hazina close) build by NSSF. 34 million for 3 bedroom. is it a fair deal


No its not a good deal.
34million can buy you a 4 bedrrom house with an SQ on kiambu road for 32M

SOLD OUT IN 11 DAYS OFF PLAN!!!!!!!!!
http://www.businessdaily.../-/jl2wp0z/-/index.html[/quote]

Wow! I'm speechless.
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