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tycho
#81 Posted : Tuesday, June 24, 2014 7:21:27 PM
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Intelligentsia wrote:
tycho wrote:
Intelligentsia wrote:
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People can get rich either through careful borrowing or by saving and continually investing.



Now there I agree.


The argument can't be true. If saving is turned to investment without innovation and technological advancement then wealth can't be created or increased. In fact, the economy will stagnate.

And if there's to be growth in surpluses then there must be quantum leaps in capital infusion, meaning borrowing.

People can get rich only if they maintain an optimum level that maintains a balance of payment where credit is greater than zero.



@tycho... you are missing the point by several galaxies.
The point of departure is not about what or the process the wealth/svings/capital will be transformed (i.e whether innovation or through tech.) but rather the SOURCE of that wealth: ergo, to borrow or to build up capital from savings?

Either can do. I know many companies/ indivs who have grown organically and are very debt-shy.
Recall Warren Buffet, personal wealth estimated at $60B, hardly borrowed and yet has the wherewithal to singlehandedly fund Kenya's Free Primary Education for a financial year.

Others who have used debt prudently have also experienced quantum leaps in all their financial parameters - top line, bottom line, ROE,ROA, market share, cost-to-income ratio, the works.

For @ Impunity, this Tip No 6 from 10 Ways To Get Rich will resonate with you:

6. Limit What You Borrow: Living on credit cards and loans won't make you rich. Warren Buffett has never borrowed a significant amount -- not to invest, not for a mortgage. He has gotten many heart-rendering letters from people who thought their borrowing was manageable but became overwhelmed by debt. His advice: Negotiate with creditors to pay what you can. Then, when you're debt-free, work on saving some money that you can use to invest.
http://www.warrenbuffett...tt-10-ways-to-get-rich/


On the contrary, it's you who seem not to get the point.

Let's take an example: Mr. X wants to be rich. What to do? Because he's not rich now, he must use what he has now to get rich in the future. This, in all cases means credit.

Here, the source of wealth is the creation and use of Credit.

Mr. Buffet is the largest shareholder of Berkshire Hathaway, how did create his wealth? Through share holding? How is a conglomerate built?

Investment means Credit. And though a company may be credit shy, it will always allow credit to others to increase wealth. Meaning allowing Credit to itself.
harrydre
#82 Posted : Tuesday, June 24, 2014 8:59:57 PM
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you just informed us how poor you are smile

No rich man is without debt.
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jaggernaut
#83 Posted : Tuesday, June 24, 2014 9:42:56 PM
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harrydre wrote:
you just informed us how poor you are smile


True. Never knew he was this poor. Didn't know someone would celebrate repaying the loan of his 10 yr old + jalopy, which in essence belongs to the scrap yard in it's country of origin. Just imagine the car was worth 900k 5yrs ago, he's paid a total of 2m in loan plus interest, and now the jalopy is worth only 500k. Yaani his 2m 'investment' is now worth just 500k. What a poor financial decision? We just have to pity him as he celebrates.
Impunity
#84 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 8:07:26 AM
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jaggernaut wrote:
harrydre wrote:
you just informed us how poor you are smile


True. Never knew he was this poor. Didn't know someone would celebrate repaying the loan of his 10 yr old + jalopy, which in essence belongs to the scrap yard in it's country of origin. Just imagine the car was worth 900k 5yrs ago, he's paid a total of 2m in loan plus interest, and now the jalopy is worth only 500k. Yaani his 2m 'investment' is now worth just 500k. What a poor financial decision? We just have to pity him as he celebrates.


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tycho
#85 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 9:35:21 AM
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The Bible has a certain parable about a rich fool, who is Judged promptly, by the giver of life.

For a long time I have wondered what made the rich man foolish, and as I have been thinking about this thread I realize that a fool is one who is not fully conscious of his debts, and indebtedness.

So if one can be rich and foolish, is it possible to be poor and wise?

Wisdom must certainly entail consciousness of indebtedness, therefore wisdom must be industrious and will always seek a balance of indebtedness through mutualism. So one can't be both poor and wise.

And a rich fool is necessarily poor.
Pierce
#86 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 12:34:07 PM
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tycho wrote:
The Bible has a certain parable about a rich fool, who is Judged promptly, by the giver of life.

For a long time I have wondered what made the rich man foolish, and as I have been thinking about this thread I realize that a fool is one who is not fully conscious of his debts, and indebtedness.

So if one can be rich and foolish, is it possible to be poor and wise?

Wisdom must certainly entail consciousness of indebtedness, therefore wisdom must be industrious and will always seek a balance of indebtedness through mutualism. So one can't be both poor and wise.

And a rich fool is necessarily poor.


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simonkabz
#87 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 1:13:51 PM
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jaggernaut wrote:
harrydre wrote:
you just informed us how poor you are smile


True. Never knew he was this poor. Didn't know someone would celebrate repaying the loan of his 10 yr old + jalopy, which in essence belongs to the scrap yard in it's country of origin. Just imagine the car was worth 900k 5yrs ago, he's paid a total of 2m in loan plus interest, and now the jalopy is worth only 500k. Yaani his 2m 'investment' is now worth just 500k. What a poor financial decision? We just have to pity him as he celebrates.

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Impunity
#88 Posted : Thursday, July 17, 2014 11:26:45 AM
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You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

Engine
#89 Posted : Thursday, July 17, 2014 12:35:21 PM
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Debt is just forced saving. It is only that it is the other way round in that you spend first then save via repayment installments.
Othelo
#90 Posted : Thursday, July 17, 2014 12:53:00 PM
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Engine wrote:
Debt is just forced saving. It is only that it is the other way round in that you spend first then save via repayment installments.

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washiku
#91 Posted : Thursday, July 17, 2014 1:09:26 PM
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Impunity wrote:


Then siko mbaya. Am still within the limitssmile smile smile But am not sure the chilling at 40s will be really possible.
Swenani
#92 Posted : Thursday, July 17, 2014 1:12:15 PM
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washiku wrote:
Impunity wrote:


Then siko mbaya. Am still within the limitssmile smile smile But am not sure the chilling at 40s will be really possible.


Are you implying that you gained cash in your 20s and now you are investing,having families etc?

P.s I assumed you are in your 30s

If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
Impunity
#93 Posted : Thursday, July 17, 2014 1:57:02 PM
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Swenani wrote:
washiku wrote:
Impunity wrote:


Then siko mbaya. Am still within the limitssmile smile smile But am not sure the chilling at 40s will be really possible.


Are you implying that you gained cash in your 20s and now you are investing,having families etc?

P.s I assumed you are in your 30s



Nope, @wahiks is younger, in fact the only problem he did according to the diagram above is him getting married and giving birtt at 27,i.e in his 20s...you are suppose to marry in your 30s, see that wedding ring.

Mimi niko ahead of time, nimeanza kuchill na bado niko chini ya fortes...evidence ni hiyo ndege, just spend some 10 days huko kwa kina @kiash!
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simonkabz
#94 Posted : Thursday, July 17, 2014 2:16:33 PM
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Impunity wrote:
Swenani wrote:
washiku wrote:
Impunity wrote:


Then siko mbaya. Am still within the limitssmile smile smile But am not sure the chilling at 40s will be really possible.


Are you implying that you gained cash in your 20s and now you are investing,having families etc?

P.s I assumed you are in your 30s



Nope, @wahiks is younger, in fact the only problem he did according to the diagram above is him getting married and giving birtt at 27,i.e in his 20s...you are suppose to marry in your 30s, see that wedding ring.

Mimi niko ahead of time, nimeanza kuchill na bado niko chini ya fortes...evidence ni hiyo ndege, just spend some 10 days huko kwa kina @kiash!
smile


That is a nice dream you have there!
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
Njung'e
#95 Posted : Thursday, July 17, 2014 5:32:33 PM
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If you pay your watchman 1K a month,what would he be guarding?
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Impunity
#96 Posted : Thursday, July 17, 2014 5:53:49 PM
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Njung'e wrote:
If you pay your watchman 1K a month,what would he be guarding?


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Ngogoyo
#97 Posted : Tuesday, October 07, 2014 12:02:06 PM
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I don't want to be a millionaire alone so help yourself out. courtesy 'yahoo business advisor'

20 Easy Things That Will Make You the Next Millionaire

1. Buy The Things That You Need
Even though one of the reasons people strive to become millionaires is to be able to afford the things that they want to do, living in a house far too big for your needs or shelling out on a vehicle more luxurious than you require is going to set you back in your goals.
2. Spend Less Than You Earn
This is saving money and accruing wealth 101, but even old advice can be good advice, and such is the case with this.
3. Make Sure That You Can Pay Off the Things That You Buy
And the quicker you can pay them off, the better! This will enable you to search for a job that you love and will therefore be more conducive to putting you closer to your goals.
4. Exercising Patience
It may be really tempting to up your quality of living or your lifestyle expectations as you begin accruing more money and assets to make you into a millionaire, but you will not reach your goal by taking some out of the pot.
5. Utilize Automatic Paycheck Deductions
You cannot spend what you do not have, so having these set up with your bank is going to help you save money better than many other tactics will.
6. Pay Off Your Credit Cards Every Month
Having a good credit score is always a strong financial situation to be in, but making sure that you can afford what you are spending is even better when you are trying to become a millionaire.
7. Use Time to Your Advantage
The quicker you start saving, the better. If you begin saving in your twenties or thirties, you will be able to take advantage of compounding interest and put yourself in a better position without having to do much extra work.
8. Realize That Money Doesn't Buy Happiness
When you are working for a wholesome goal instead of a ploy to satisfy material urges, your goals will come to you faster and easier.
9. Realize That 'Life Happens'
Having a bit of money on the side separate from your millionaire fund will keep you on a steady track toward that goal; after all, you never know when a financial emergency will rear its ugly head.
10. Focus on Being Debt Free
Even if you have income coming in every month, if you have any sort of debt, you need to be deducting that from your gain--if it comes out negative, you are not financially free, and will not be able to achieve your millionaire dreams yet. In order to be the next millionaire, you have to make sure that your debts are all paid.
11. Work Hard And Diligently
If you keep putting in the effort, it will be easier to make amends after a financial mishap.
12. Get a Second Job
Not only will it add to your savings that much faster, but also if you stay busy you will have no time to spend the money that you are trying to save.
13. Don't Be Afraid to Have a Big Vision
Most modest savings plans do not end up panning out as the people who made them would have liked. Having a vision larger than what you can currently deliver will actually be the best way to ensure that you meet your goal.
14. Have Good Money Management Skills
Keep up to date on what you need to know to manage your money, and realize that without good management, it will never grow or mature into what you would like it to be.
15. Do What You Enjoy
Working in a field you enjoy will be one of the fastest routes to financial freedom and success, as you will spend more time at work and excel at it, putting you in a better position for promotions and pay increases.
16. Pay Yourself First
This will keep you satisfied and will help you achieve financial success with your goals.
17. Go Out And Find Your Money
Simply saving and hoping that it will come to you will never be good enough. You will only receive what you earn.
18. Invest in Yourself
Without furthering your education or professional development, there will be nothing to set you apart from others, and no reason for your employer to aid you in your goals.
19 Invest in Property When You Do Buy Assets
Having property on hand is always going to be a good asset, as there are always buyers for property and property values are beginning to climb again, healing from the collapse in 2008.
19. Realize That There Is More Than One Way to Approach a Problem
Being versatile will lead you quickest to the solutions for your problems.
There's certainly no surefire way to becoming a millionaire. After all, if there was, everyone would be making millions. However, if you manage to blend the right business practices with solid personal finance skills, there's no telling where you'll end up. Follow these 20 guidelines, and you, too, can become the next millionaire.


butterflyke
#98 Posted : Tuesday, October 07, 2014 9:40:37 PM
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Pierce wrote:
tycho wrote:
The Bible has a certain parable about a rich fool, who is Judged promptly, by the giver of life.

For a long time I have wondered what made the rich man foolish, and as I have been thinking about this thread I realize that a fool is one who is not fully conscious of his debts, and indebtedness.

So if one can be rich and foolish, is it possible to be poor and wise?

Wisdom must certainly entail consciousness of indebtedness, therefore wisdom must be industrious and will always seek a balance of indebtedness through mutualism. So one can't be both poor and wise.

And a rich fool is necessarily poor.


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Engine wrote:
Debt is just forced saving. It is only that it is the other way round in that you spend first then save via repayment installments.



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Impunity
#99 Posted : Wednesday, October 08, 2014 1:04:57 AM
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Ngogoyo wrote:
I don't want to be a millionaire alone so help yourself out. courtesy 'yahoo business advisor'

20 Easy Things That Will Make You the Next Millionaire

10. Focus on Being Debt Free
Even if you have income coming in every month, if you have any sort of debt, you need to be deducting that from your gain--if it comes out negative, you are not financially free, and will not be able to achieve your millionaire dreams yet. In order to be the next millionaire, you have to make sure that your debts are all paid.



Iko nene?
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harrydre
#100 Posted : Tuesday, September 27, 2016 1:04:38 AM
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Njung'e wrote:
If you pay your watchman 1K a month,what would he be guarding?


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