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symbols		#61 Posted : Tuesday, June 24, 2014 3:31:21 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552		ecstacy wrote: Like the Iraqi Govt, the Kurds have also asked for Western air support against ISIS as they hold out their positions in an uneasy calm. ISIS have armed up using US weapons left by fleeing Irqai forces - Putin offers ‘complete support’ to Iraq, Iran says Obama lacks will to combat terrorism You would think it's a bad cop good cop routine.
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symbols		#62 Posted : Tuesday, June 24, 2014 8:53:07 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552		guru267 wrote: Muriel wrote: It will be most helpful to identify this "beast" and his "mark". The secular world has made religion a worthless entity! The constitution and the UN Charter are superior to any Word of God in todays world! That is why the US cannot stand to see a Sharia state in existence We all know in our Qurans and Bibles what God did to Sodom and Gomora and why... but today we all push for homosexuals to adopt children because the holy books are just fables anyway right?? A time will reach when it will be seen that the world is better off without any religion and then it will be you either give up your religion or you die or are jailed! Anyone practicing a religion and praying to a fictitious God in the sky will not be allowed to buy or sell! A Godless society! At that point you will know who is the "beast" and what is the "mark"! Trying to avoid the issue?Neither you nor @AlphDoti have denied or questioned the authenticity of the book or author. Ibn Kathir clearly states that the beast will come to mark both the unbelievers and the believers on their foreheads and no one will be able to escape by decree of Allah.It seems you're declaring God in the Bible and Allah are not the same!
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guru267		#63 Posted : Tuesday, June 24, 2014 9:38:27 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi		symbols wrote: murchr wrote: symbols wrote: Who is behind Isis's terrifying online propaganda operation? In this day and age its not easy for a useless militia to comeup and get to this kind of sophistication without the govts watch and aid. The question should be who's supplying them with this kind of artillery? ISIS in Iraq stinks of CIA/NATO ‘dirty war’ op Man all these conspiracy theories are priceless! @symbols are you really this gullible?? Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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guru267		#64 Posted : Tuesday, June 24, 2014 9:40:15 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi		symbols wrote: Ibn Kathir clearly states that the beast will come to mark both the unbelievers and the believers on their foreheads and no one will be able to escape by decree of Allah.It seems you're declaring God in the Bible and Allah are not the same! I find it impossible to respond to your naive understanding of Islam! Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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symbols		#65 Posted : Tuesday, June 24, 2014 9:47:13 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552		guru267 wrote: symbols wrote: murchr wrote: symbols wrote: Who is behind Isis's terrifying online propaganda operation? In this day and age its not easy for a useless militia to comeup and get to this kind of sophistication without the govts watch and aid. The question should be who's supplying them with this kind of artillery? ISIS in Iraq stinks of CIA/NATO ‘dirty war’ op Man all these conspiracy theories are priceless! @symbols are you really this gullible?? Distractions?
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symbols		#66 Posted : Tuesday, June 24, 2014 9:55:49 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552		guru267 wrote: @Muriel at that time one will either be Muslim or would have accepted the mark of the beast to prove they are not Muslim! guru267 wrote: The secular world has made religion a worthless entity! The constitution and the UN Charter are superior to any Word of God in todays world! That is why the US cannot stand to see a Sharia state in existence We all know in our Qurans and Bibles what God did to Sodom and Gomora and why... but today we all push for homosexuals to adopt children because the holy books are just fables anyway right?? A time will reach when it will be seen that the world is better off without any religion and then it will be you either give up your religion or you die or are jailed! Anyone practicing a religion and praying to a fictitious God in the sky will not be allowed to buy or sell! A Godless society! At that point you will know who is the "beast" and what is the "mark"! guru267 wrote: symbols wrote: Ibn Kathir clearly states that the beast will come to mark both the unbelievers and the believers on their foreheads and no one will be able to escape by decree of Allah.It seems you're declaring God in the Bible and Allah are not the same! I find it impossible to respond to your naive understanding of Islam! You've already stated your position and have done nothing to address what I've said.
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guru267		#67 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 7:52:34 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi		symbols wrote: guru267 wrote: @Muriel at that time one will either be Muslim or would have accepted the mark of the beast to prove they are not Muslim! guru267 wrote: The secular world has made religion a worthless entity! The constitution and the UN Charter are superior to any Word of God in todays world! That is why the US cannot stand to see a Sharia state in existence We all know in our Qurans and Bibles what God did to Sodom and Gomora and why... but today we all push for homosexuals to adopt children because the holy books are just fables anyway right?? A time will reach when it will be seen that the world is better off without any religion and then it will be you either give up your religion or you die or are jailed! Anyone practicing a religion and praying to a fictitious God in the sky will not be allowed to buy or sell! A Godless society! At that point you will know who is the "beast" and what is the "mark"! guru267 wrote: symbols wrote: Ibn Kathir clearly states that the beast will come to mark both the unbelievers and the believers on their foreheads and no one will be able to escape by decree of Allah.It seems you're declaring God in the Bible and Allah are not the same! I find it impossible to respond to your naive understanding of Islam! You've already stated your position and have done nothing to address what I've said. Many believers and unbelievers will accept the mark of the beast or be killed! Nothing happens in this world except by Gods permission... Even Satan tempting you! What was your question again?? Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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Muriel		#68 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 8:23:52 AM
Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142		guru267 wrote: symbols wrote: guru267 wrote: @Muriel at that time one will either be Muslim or would have accepted the mark of the beast to prove they are not Muslim! guru267 wrote: The secular world has made religion a worthless entity! The constitution and the UN Charter are superior to any Word of God in todays world! That is why the US cannot stand to see a Sharia state in existence We all know in our Qurans and Bibles what God did to Sodom and Gomora and why... but today we all push for homosexuals to adopt children because the holy books are just fables anyway right?? A time will reach when it will be seen that the world is better off without any religion and then it will be you either give up your religion or you die or are jailed! Anyone practicing a religion and praying to a fictitious God in the sky will not be allowed to buy or sell! A Godless society! At that point you will know who is the "beast" and what is the "mark"! guru267 wrote: symbols wrote: Ibn Kathir clearly states that the beast will come to mark both the unbelievers and the believers on their foreheads and no one will be able to escape by decree of Allah.It seems you're declaring God in the Bible and Allah are not the same! I find it impossible to respond to your naive understanding of Islam! You've already stated your position and have done nothing to address what I've said. Many believers and unbelievers will accept the mark of the beast or be killed! Nothing happens in this world except by Gods permission... Even Satan tempting you! What was your question again?? My question was: It seems there is an ironical increasing "Godfullness" in various shades, shapes and sizes as time goes. So how will there be "Godlessness" at the time of the beast gives people his mark? And that statement "Many believers and unbelievers will accept the mark of the beast or be killed!" is giving me hard time to understand. Break it down for me. Will Muslims (believers) accept the mark of the beast or will they be killed?
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Muriel		#69 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 8:55:02 AM
Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142		guru267 wrote: symbols wrote: murchr wrote: symbols wrote: Who is behind Isis's terrifying online propaganda operation? In this day and age its not easy for a useless militia to comeup and get to this kind of sophistication without the govts watch and aid. The question should be who's supplying them with this kind of artillery? ISIS in Iraq stinks of CIA/NATO ‘dirty war’ op Man all these conspiracy theories are priceless! @symbols are you really this gullible?? Fact. The rebels in Syria are being supported by the west, no? They are being given, lately, hardware. Who are the rebels in Syria? ISIS?
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symbols		#70 Posted : Wednesday, June 25, 2014 11:36:31 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552		guru267 wrote: symbols wrote: guru267 wrote: @Muriel at that time one will either be Muslim or would have accepted the mark of the beast to prove they are not Muslim! guru267 wrote: The secular world has made religion a worthless entity! The constitution and the UN Charter are superior to any Word of God in todays world! That is why the US cannot stand to see a Sharia state in existence We all know in our Qurans and Bibles what God did to Sodom and Gomora and why... but today we all push for homosexuals to adopt children because the holy books are just fables anyway right?? A time will reach when it will be seen that the world is better off without any religion and then it will be you either give up your religion or you die or are jailed! Anyone practicing a religion and praying to a fictitious God in the sky will not be allowed to buy or sell! A Godless society! At that point you will know who is the "beast" and what is the "mark"! guru267 wrote: symbols wrote: Ibn Kathir clearly states that the beast will come to mark both the unbelievers and the believers on their foreheads and no one will be able to escape by decree of Allah.It seems you're declaring God in the Bible and Allah are not the same! I find it impossible to respond to your naive understanding of Islam! You've already stated your position and have done nothing to address what I've said. Many believers and unbelievers will accept the mark of the beast or be killed! Nothing happens in this world except by Gods permission... Even Satan tempting you! What was your question again?? Do you have a link to authentic Islamic sources for what you've said concerning the beast and the mark?
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