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tycho wrote:Nandwa wrote:tycho wrote: Being 100% sure of security under Martha is a lie. Sycophancy starts thus.
100% is a stretch, but we can agree our situation would be significantly better than this: What would make it better? Level headed management, not being parochial and tribal, refusing to be held captive to cartels, steering clear of propaganda, warding off tribalists, having the face of Kenya in govt appointments etc Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2011 Posts: 4,824 Location: -1.2107, 36.8831
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alma wrote:cnn wrote:dunkang wrote:It seems blogging and tweeting allowances from Orange House have dried up, now guys are pretending to have been loyal to Karua. Who are pretending?,some of us stated even before the elections they were casting their vote for her and did.She was trounced,the majority had their way and we live with it. Shows you that there are some people who are paid to think. Some of us voted our conscience not our mother tongue that is why you see we are very clear about our stands without hate speech or innuendo. Even when we disagree we disagree on point and never go the stupidity route of tribe. I guess that's a concept very hard for some to understand. Yes, I voted for her and will do so next time even if she comes in last again. I'm 100% sure that if Martha were president, this insecurity issue would not exist. And as expected, the guilty ones popped up, to defend their turf. Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Nandwa wrote:tycho wrote:Nandwa wrote:tycho wrote: Being 100% sure of security under Martha is a lie. Sycophancy starts thus.
100% is a stretch, but we can agree our situation would be significantly better than this: What would make it better? Level headed management, not being parochial and tribal, refusing to be held captive to cartels, steering clear of propaganda, warding off tribalists, having the face of Kenya in govt appointments etc While Martha may have these characteristics you've mentioned, her political timeline doesn't show how they have come in handy in consolidating and even increasing her political power, leave alone transforming Kenyan politics for the better. So if these characteristics haven't worked in the past, how can one be so sure they'll work now or in the future? In the end, you're just talking about what pleases you about Martha, and probably what you like thinking about yourself. But that's not politics. Or truth that's politically powerful.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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tycho wrote:Nandwa wrote:tycho wrote: Being 100% sure of security under Martha is a lie. Sycophancy starts thus.
100% is a stretch, but we can agree our situation would be significantly better than this: What would make it better? You see Tycho I can make you speak English. I did not say 100% better security, I said I'm 100% sure. I'm also sure that Ole Lenku would not have a job. That would be better for all. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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alma wrote:tycho wrote:Nandwa wrote:tycho wrote: Being 100% sure of security under Martha is a lie. Sycophancy starts thus.
100% is a stretch, but we can agree our situation would be significantly better than this: What would make it better? You see Tycho I can make you speak English. I did not say 100% better security, I said I'm 100% sure. I'm also sure that Ole Lenku would not have a job. That would be better for all. And my observation that this 'certainty' is the beginning of sycophancy still remains @Alma. Consider the late Michuki, Saitoti, and Ole Lenku, what's their difference, at least politically? Martha will work in the same political system, and that's why 100% certainty is false. The problem is you Alma. Not Ole Lenku. The latter is the symptom, the former, the disease.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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tycho wrote:alma wrote:tycho wrote:Nandwa wrote:tycho wrote: Being 100% sure of security under Martha is a lie. Sycophancy starts thus.
100% is a stretch, but we can agree our situation would be significantly better than this: What would make it better? You see Tycho I can make you speak English. I did not say 100% better security, I said I'm 100% sure. I'm also sure that Ole Lenku would not have a job. That would be better for all. And my observation that this 'certainty' is the beginning of sycophancy still remains @Alma. Consider the late Michuki, Saitoti, and Ole Lenku, what's their difference, at least politically? Martha will work in the same political system, and that's why 100% certainty is false. The problem is you Alma. Not Ole Lenku. The latter is the symptom, the former, the disease. Oh Tycho, trying to get your language back? This time you let it slip, didn't you? I'm certain. Just like I was certain that if I paid my bill I would get a product on Amazon. That is not sycophancy. The only person who can still keep Ole Lenku in employ is the current President. Everyone else in this country, including you Tycho would have fired him. That I'm certain of. It's very wrong to even come close to comparing the lates Saitoti and Michuki to Ole Lenku. I can assure you also with 100% certainty, that the security situation would be better if the two were alive. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Alma, if you can't see how Michuki, Saitoti and Ole Lenku are the same, then it's going to be difficult for you to understand why Ole Lenku hasn't been sacked as yet.
For the sake of dialogue, let me try to explain their similarity. All these people got their positions according to the power structures and interests of the political leadership of their times, and each of them gave this power interest priority over the general good of the citizens.
For example, how has the Mungiki participated in Kenyan politics? How did the late Michuki deal with members of the group? Saitoti; do you recall his 'hot pursuit' explanation when Kenyan troops went into Somalia? How different has Ole Lenku been when explaining himself in the wake of the insecurity issues that have assailed us?
My view is that Ole Lenku has found himself in a more complicated position. While the domestic power structure has been holding (read Jubilee agreements), the external forces of destabilization have intensified, revealing weaknesses in the overall power structure. That's why, in my opinion, he's so much 'castigated'.
The issue isn't Ole Lenku as such, the issue is how power is acquired, protected, and challenged. And on such grounds Martha, tycho, Mr. X, Mrs. Y, will tend to behave in the same way as long as the power system remains fairly the same.
So when you start mentioning how personalities will come with better solutions, or how personalities should be removed from office over systemic problems without looking at what I deem to be the main issue, I sniff a sycophant in the making.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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Now I see your point Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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alma wrote:Now I see your point Am glad you have. Let the dialogue continue.
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Nandwa wrote:tycho wrote:Nandwa wrote:tycho wrote: Being 100% sure of security under Martha is a lie. Sycophancy starts thus.
100% is a stretch, but we can agree our situation would be significantly better than this: What would make it better? Level headed management, not being parochial and tribal, refusing to be held captive to cartels, steering clear of propaganda, warding off tribalists, having the face of Kenya in govt appointments etc  ati not being tribal!!! my foot The God of the day is still God in the night.
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