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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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Ocampo has swang into action by setting up a committe of 14 experts to start sifting through the list and documentary evidence provided along with the envelope.......oooops.2090 is fast approaching!!!..... Yombo dhier....!! Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/31/2008 Posts: 1,076
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These chicken have been out too long. Isnt time they came musyi to roost. Ocampo,bana hapo hapo. How I love this game! B.timer Dunia ni msongamano..
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/4/2008 Posts: 341 Location: Nairobi
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I think there exists some confusion here. The fact that the bahasha has been handed to the ICC's prosecutor,does not necessarily mean that he will prosecute.My understanding is that he will pore through the mountain of evidence as he watches and waits to see if the authorities in Kenya will take action.As to how long that takes is anyone's guess. Patience Pays in Guaranteed Checks Patience Pays In Guaranteed Checks.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/22/2009 Posts: 2,449 Location: Africa
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In a way,the uncertainty and delays are a blessing in disguise. Let people like Ruto continue waking up in cold sweat for the next few months as they contemplate their evil deeds. 
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/31/2008 Posts: 1,076
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@Mr Tea Agreed this route,could be long and winding,but its better than what the principals seemed to offer. Again I hope you dont doubt the veracity of the evidence held,there canot be anything easier to nail culprits about than the happenings of early 2008. To satisfy hiself further,Ocampo will gather his own evidence to augment what he has been supplied by different groups so far,incuding international ones such as Human Rights Watch of of New york. Cant go wrong bwana,habari ziko fogo fogo. Infact the unending competiton/rivalry btn ODM and PNU will feed than need pretty well. Remember during the period under review,each wrote to ICC to report the other,as they invited Ocampo to offer his professional services- we all know what he does for a living,and he relishes it. I must however agree that a local trubunal,as invisaged in the Waki report (without any watering down as the principal were keen to doing) would be the best option. The second best is what we are embracing,- Ocampo,he of no nonsense fame. B.timer Dunia ni msongamano..
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/6/2009 Posts: 172
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After watching this debate,I came to believe that Kenyan politicians and the media are just stupid or don't read diddly....This thing was going to happen whether you held village barazas or shouted in parliament......Some are saying that 2012 will be worse,I dare anyone to try to do such a silly thing when Obama is running for re-election.....We can now forget about these tribal warlords and start making something out of our lives as they now start talking to their lawyers......My advice to them is to never make another public statement about this issue as right now everything they ever said in public is being scrutinized analysed and going to be used against them in a court of law in the next 24 months.....What a pity,what a waste.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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Today,Ocampo opens the bahasha plus cartons of material evidence........Tommorrow,KNHRC releases the names of 219 names of people involved in funding,organising,looting,maiming,killing and raping.....huH......!!!....2090 just got closer.......!!! Yombo dhier....!! Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/28/2007 Posts: 290 Location: Nairobi
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Obama is doing a good job! wait n see how fast the ICC process will take...hata ya Saddam itakua child play!!!
Life is worth living cos God planned it to be so.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/26/2008 Posts: 132
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Would be keen to see how Ocampo will proceed with this. Funny that those suspecticians (suspect politicians) like R,who hitherto supported the Hague have not called Annan to express their support.
@ nanfor. I seem to agree with you on the 2012 prophesy. I even believe that Annan's handing over of the letter to Moreno was also apart for reasons advanced, a machination of the US. Look at the timing-the bashings from Ghana e.t.c
If it will end impunity,let them roast.
Everyday!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/8/2007 Posts: 885
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where are the witnesses and can someone gurantee the security of their entire families? and what about money? imagine a witness who has never seen a million,being threatened with death (him + family)... being offered a choice. testify and live like a hunted animal for the rest of your natural life .....or .....take a sack full of money and conveniently forget what you saw?? so we hear from Nairobi star that afew key witnesses are being protected/hidden by foreign missions.... but will those missions also hide their wives,husbands,kids,concubines,parents,grand parents,cousins?? hell no! .. if you grabbed any of these relatives... you will be able to dictate proceedings....the 'canary birds' will suddenly develop 'canary flu' and memory loss will follow shortly thereafter...... sad but true.
He who laughs last thinks slowest..
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/27/2007 Posts: 3,604
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Isn't thîs unfair! There are cases that have stayed for years only for kenya's to be hurried. Just my thought no facts. A likely impossibility is always preferable to an unconvincing posibility. African parents don't know how to say sorry.. the closest you will get to a sorry is a 'have you eaten'
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/27/2007 Posts: 2,768
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@ pondi, for the haguelitician to be safe,he has to eliminate all the people who were displaced during the pev as they are witnessess anyway.....not forgetting that during campains the media captured the pigs to be and the pigs doing their careless utterances....too much evidence,too many witnessess....simply put,too many eyes that saw..... NEVER TALK OF A RHINO IF THERE IS NO TREE NEAREBY - ZULU PROVERB ...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/6/2009 Posts: 172
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Personally I don't care about who's in the envelop or not. The issue here is this kind of behaviour should be stopped if we are to call ourselves human beings.
Right now and for a few months,the politico and their hired hands in the media will go full throttle saying how unfair it is to pick on them. And how you cannot have witnesses or even how the investigations were flawed by Waki. Not forgetting the common one,How the elections were rigged.
All that is beside the point and the ICC wouldn't give a damn if the elections were rigged,fair or did not happen. They are only interested in those that organised,financed and participated in killing of Kenyas by hired thugs and the police.
Woe unto you if you did either of the above. I would again advice them to keep very quiet in this issue and instead work with their lawyers. Ask Taylor,I am sure he was in the villages somewhere telling guys how the ICC is useless,unfair or he did it to protect his own people.
Wote Washindwe!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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I am loving......and some are still posturing that the hague option is fyn with them!!!! The chief value of money lies in the fact that one lives in a world in which it is overestimated. ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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I think Obama is really pushing the hague option,otherwise Ocampo and Annan would not be on Kenya's case like this. I have no problem with that. I've noticed the youth in particular coming in to a workplace with a completely outsized notion of their own value and importance... just a thinly-veiled arrogance. May be the credit crunch induced recession is whats needed to remind us all about the value of hard work.... By Anonymous "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2009 Posts: 2,863
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This is one of those rare occasions where being a small kenyan makes u feel like a king. At least u r 100% confident your name is not in that envelope...... Another brilliant balancing act by God almighty. WOULD RATHER DIE FIGHTING 4 MY RIGHTS THAN LIVE FOREVER WITHOUT ANY RIGHTS IF YOU EXPECT ME TO POST ANYTHING POSITIVE ABOUT ASENO, YOU MAY AS WELL SIT ON A PIN
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/12/2008 Posts: 92
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'We killed people because the elections were rigged.' Paraphrased William Ruto over the weekend.
@nanfor. You are right. These guys need to shut up quickly. The good part however is that there may be no need for witnesess after all cause watu wanajishitaki kila wanapongea. Could be bad karma coming back to haunt them.
Time and chance happen to all.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,549
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Mwenza...believe me...it will soon catch up with the 'small Kenyans'...who burnt and killed others......and to be honest.....they would be better of in swiss prisons....than kamiti....or some of them...even home......the 'salary' in a swiss prison is over 100k... Ninajua Yote! Meru Holiness
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2009 Posts: 2,863
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@ Much Know Dont shout very loudly abt the 100k salo......u might make innocent kenyans volunteer themselves as guilty........U never know who is on SK. WOULD RATHER DIE FIGHTING 4 MY RIGHTS THAN LIVE FOREVER WITHOUT ANY RIGHTS IF YOU EXPECT ME TO POST ANYTHING POSITIVE ABOUT ASENO, YOU MAY AS WELL SIT ON A PIN
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/22/2009 Posts: 2,449 Location: Africa
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Wonder who read the article in yesterday's nation by one Samoei as a rebuttal to makau mutua's open letter. How dare he say that the violence was as a result of economic inequalities i.e the rich vs. The poor? This guy is deluded. Most of the violence in the rift valley was b/w poor Kales and the poor from other communities but funded by the rich and well connected. That man needs to be Kamatad asap!
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