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National Security Team - Uhuru must act...NOW!
Wakanyugi
#21 Posted : Thursday, June 19, 2014 1:52:27 PM
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aemathenge wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
I bet to differ.

The current crew is apt for the situation, now and into the future.

The current situation can not be likened to the past. This is new a animal all together.

The current crew is fast developing vital experience and options upon which to base the war against terror in particular and crime in general.

Cs. Ole Lenku and the Inspector General can only take so much flack. Sooner or later, when they really get their back against the wall from pressure from all and sundry, they are going to come out fighting and might just surprise us all.


That is exactly the problem. You do not want people learning on the job, where lives are concerned, especially when there is much better talent the President could tap.

Again, I beg to differ.

In the past, we had one "crisis" at a time confronting the head of internal security in particular and the Head of State in general.

Today, you have Mpeketoni, Baringo, terror attacks, mungiki, wildlife poaching, corruption, an ineffective Office of the Public Prosecutor letting out security risk suspects out on bond, constitutionally created road blocks, the ICC, and the social media fueled by cheap bundles and wide access to the internet via mobile gadgets, you name it.

And to this the challenges of some areas suffering drought while others are about to experience the el nino.

Add to this the fact that the Police fear being "taken to the Hague" like Gen. Hussein Ali for "doing" their job.

Add to this the many many more politicians on the public pay list and out of it.

Add to this the fact that the Police Officers are faced with the lack of support systems such as good housing and trade craft equipment. I read somewhere that the new admissions into the force are sleeping in canteens for lack of accommodation.

All these are balls in the air that need jiggling with which no past head of internal security has had to deal with.

In view of the foregoing, we have the same situation that faced the US after the fall of the Berlin Wall (Read Communism) and after 9/11. Nobody had "experience" or "expertise". Everybody had to learn on the "go".

And hence my point. The heads are the best "experts". Any new person(s) will have to start the learning curve from zero all over again.


Mahegoat,

Every President that Kenya has had was tested on the anvil of insecurity:

1. Kenyatta senior - the shifta war

2. Moi - the August 1982 coup

3. Kibaki - Mt Elgon insurgency, Mungiki

4. Kenyatta Junior ---the current mess

One thing that marked the responses of each man, and perhaps determined their success was decisiveness when the chips were down and having the right people in the right roles. They may have made mistakes but they learned quickly - security can not be subordinated to populism, a good image, re-election maths or even constitutional niceties.

It is my hope that Uhuru will learn this lesson too - despite all the excuses you give for him above he is in charge. That lesson better start with having the right people in his security team. He does not have them.


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Lolest!
#22 Posted : Thursday, June 19, 2014 1:57:31 PM
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thanks mahegoat. People love romanticising the past without putting issues in perspective. Assume Moi was elected in 1979 and given a country with the current challenges and current framework. See how he would hack it. In his time security threats meant robberies and cattle rustling the former which peaked in the 90s. There was the threat of political instability which Raila has brought to us today as he had during the Moi days. Moi never had alshabads to deal with!
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#23 Posted : Thursday, June 19, 2014 2:04:02 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
thanks mahegoat. People love romanticising the past without putting issues in perspective. Assume Moi was elected in 1979 and given a country with the current challenges and current framework. See how he would hack it. In his time security threats meant robberies and cattle rustling the former which peaked in the 90s. There was the threat of political instability which Raila has brought to us today as he had during the Moi days. Moi never had alshabads to deal with!


Uhuru ate kiapo to be the leader of kenya, he MUST live up to that, al shaabab or no al shaabab.
We dont want flimsy excuses, if he want he would have been born in 30s to rule Kenya in 80s/90s or he would have been born later when terrorist would be a thing of the past.
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#24 Posted : Thursday, June 19, 2014 2:07:07 PM
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Impunity wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
thanks mahegoat. People love romanticising the past without putting issues in perspective. Assume Moi was elected in 1979 and given a country with the current challenges and current framework. See how he would hack it. In his time security threats meant robberies and cattle rustling the former which peaked in the 90s. There was the threat of political instability which Raila has brought to us today as he had during the Moi days. Moi never had alshabads to deal with!


Uhuru ate kiapo to be the leader of kenya, he MUST live up to that, al shaabab or no al shaabab.
We dont want flimsy excuses, if he want he would have been born in 30s to rule Kenya in 80s/90s or he would have been born later when terrorist would be a thing of the past.
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Swenani
#25 Posted : Thursday, June 19, 2014 2:17:30 PM
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Impunity wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
thanks mahegoat. People love romanticising the past without putting issues in perspective. Assume Moi was elected in 1979 and given a country with the current challenges and current framework. See how he would hack it. In his time security threats meant robberies and cattle rustling the former which peaked in the 90s. There was the threat of political instability which Raila has brought to us today as he had during the Moi days. Moi never had alshabads to deal with!


Uhuru ate kiapo to be the leader of kenya, he MUST live up to that, al shaabab or no al shaabab.
We dont want flimsy excuses, if he want he would have been born in 30s to rule Kenya in 80s/90s or he would have been born later when terrorist would be a thing of the past.
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Lolest and Mahegoat, Nyinyi wawili mumenene kama learned people who dont use common sense.Insecurity(crime,politics,social related insecurities) has always been evolving and its upon the security teams and machinery to evolve too.

When baba kamwana took over the leadership; the insecurity challenges he faced were different from the colonial govt challenges which was mau mau,did he give an excuse? When moi took over he faced different security challenges from Kenyatta, same case with Kibaki and that is what is happening to UK
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aemathenge
#26 Posted : Thursday, June 19, 2014 2:49:34 PM
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Swenani wrote:
When baba kamwana took over the leadership; the insecurity challenges he faced were different from the colonial govt challenges which was mau mau,did he give an excuse? When moi took over he faced different security challenges from Kenyatta, same case with Kibaki and that is what is happening to UK

Let me rephrase.

Past Imperial Heads of State had 1 to 10 unfamiliar, start up challenges to deal with.

Uhuruto, whose powers have been effectively constitutionally chopped off, have like 500 to 1000. That is the reality on the ground.

He does what M Zero One would have done by commissioning Safcon to put up a security system and Parliament comes up with a big f*** you.

Whether it was The Rt. Hon. or Ms. Karua or even the Monarchy who were in charge, the challenges would have still remained 500 to 1000.

In that regard, we have Hon. Ngilu taking care of the mess that is Lands, for example, despite the challenges she faced from the "Commission".

The Treasury Head boy has just done wonders at with the bond despite Anglo Leasing and the terror hits.

The point I am trying to make is that Mpeketoni has shown CS. Ole Lenku it is Kahindi Meruka time and he has to bite the bullet and "deliver."

Musical chairs will not solve anything other than the assuaging of the impression of frustration in ineffectiveness.

Nothing further.
Swenani
#27 Posted : Thursday, June 19, 2014 3:06:31 PM
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aemathenge wrote:
Swenani wrote:
When baba kamwana took over the leadership; the insecurity challenges he faced were different from the colonial govt challenges which was mau mau,did he give an excuse? When moi took over he faced different security challenges from Kenyatta, same case with Kibaki and that is what is happening to UK

Let me rephrase.

Past Imperial Heads of State had 1 to 10 unfamiliar, start up challenges to deal with.

Uhuruto, whose powers have been effectively constitutionally chopped off, have like 500 to 1000. That is the reality on the ground.

He does what M Zero One would have done by commissioning Safcon to put up a security system and Parliament comes up with a big f*** you.

Whether it was The Rt. Hon. or Ms. Karua or even the Monarchy who were in charge, the challenges would have still remained 500 to 1000.

In that regard, we have Hon. Ngilu taking care of the mess that is Lands, for example, despite the challenges she faced from the "Commission".

The Treasury Head boy has just done wonders at with the bond despite Anglo Leasing and the terror hits.

The point I am trying to make is that Mpeketoni has shown CS. Ole Lenku it is Kahindi Meruka time and he has to bite the bullet and "deliver."

Musical chairs will not solve anything other than the assuaging of the impression of frustration in ineffectiveness.

Nothing further.


You still believe in a CS who thinks with his mouth? an I.G who believes tinted windows, length of skirts are security issues.

An IG who claims politicians will be held responsible for insecurity? An IG who reportedly, was called at aprox 9 pm at night when the attackers were terrorizing people at mpeketoni only for the reinforcement to be sent 6 hrs later?
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aemathenge
#28 Posted : Thursday, June 19, 2014 3:44:29 PM
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Swenani wrote:
You still believe in a CS who thinks with his mouth? an I.G who believes tinted windows, length of skirts are security issues.

An IG who claims politicians will be held responsible for insecurity? An IG who reportedly, was called at aprox 9 pm at night when the attackers were terrorizing people at mpeketoni only for the reinforcement to be sent 6 hrs later?

Up until 15:39 hours today, the 19th of June 2014, His Excellency The President of the Republic of Kenya, their appointing authority, believed in them.

Up until Parliament and or the Senate successfully execute a motion of censure, so do the people of Kenya.

Further, your sentiments are based upon information and data you have selectively gleaned from a prejudiced media that concentrates on a mere 0.5% of what these public officers do and blissfully ignore the other 99.5%

Ponder that.
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#29 Posted : Friday, June 20, 2014 3:24:58 PM
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