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The celebration of violence is bizarre though not surprising since this is the internet. I think the 2007-2008 PEV demonstrated the obvious - there is no monopoly of violence even when almost an entire country is ganged up against 3 or 4 communities. No one has the capacity for a decisive win. And in any case it helps no one. We could have permanent grudges and eternal dislike for certain communities or religions but violence will never move issues forward. You are unlikely to exterminate all Luos or Kikuyus or Kalenjins or Christians or Muslims perhaps for the next 1000 years. Chew on that for a minute. If their existence pains you every day you wake up, utakufa na stress ndugu  Even a smaller community like the Samburu would be very hard to wipe out from the face of the earth. Heck, the Israelis have been unable to permanently subdue the disadvantaged lesser-armed community of Palestinians for more than half a century. Over the same period, hundreds of millions of Muslims have found it impossible to obliterate the 5 million people in the microscopic Jewish state of Israel. In the tiny nation of Rwanda, close to 800,000 Tutsis and moderate Hutus were massacred. Someone would think 'Now, that'll finally finish them!'. But then what happened? Both Hutus and Tutsis are still living and working in Rwanda today. Live and let live fellas. The hate hurts the carrier. A life of permanent bitterness is worse than death. All my friends are heathens, take it slow. Wait for them to ask you who you know. Please don't make any sudden moves.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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innairobi wrote:The celebration of violence is bizarre though not surprising since this is the internet. I think the 2007-2008 PEV demonstrated the obvious - there is no monopoly of violence even when almost an entire country is ganged up against 3 or 4 communities. No one has the capacity for a decisive win. And in any case it helps no one. We could have permanent grudges and eternal dislike for certain communities or religions but violence will never move issues forward. You are unlikely to exterminate all Luos or Kikuyus or Kalenjins or Christians or Muslims perhaps for the next 1000 years. Chew on that for a minute. If their existence pains you every day you wake up, utakufa na stress ndugu  Even a smaller community like the Samburu would be very hard to wipe out from the face of the earth. Heck, the Israelis have been unable to permanently subdue the disadvantaged lesser-armed community of Palestinians for more than half a century. Over the same period, hundreds of millions of Muslims have found it impossible to obliterate the 5 million people in the microscopic Jewish state of Israel. In the tiny nation of Rwanda, close to 800,000 Tutsis and moderate Hutus were massacred. Someone would think 'Now, that'll finally finish them!'. But then what happened? Both Hutus and Tutsis are still living and working in Rwanda today. Live and let live fellas. The hate hurts the carrier. A life of permanent bitterness is worse than death. @innairobi, I salute you bro. You are one of the reasons some of us still believe in this forum. Level headed arguments backed by very consistent logic. Not everyone has lost their minds or attended MKSL (Moses Kuria school of lunatics). Funny your rank is still a member. Thought of writing to admin to elevate your rank to elder, then I saw what our 'elders' are posting and all I can say is your ranking is fine.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/3/2014 Posts: 1,063
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FRM2011 wrote:innairobi wrote:The celebration of violence is bizarre though not surprising since this is the internet. I think the 2007-2008 PEV demonstrated the obvious - there is no monopoly of violence even when almost an entire country is ganged up against 3 or 4 communities. No one has the capacity for a decisive win. And in any case it helps no one. We could have permanent grudges and eternal dislike for certain communities or religions but violence will never move issues forward. You are unlikely to exterminate all Luos or Kikuyus or Kalenjins or Christians or Muslims perhaps for the next 1000 years. Chew on that for a minute. If their existence pains you every day you wake up, utakufa na stress ndugu  Even a smaller community like the Samburu would be very hard to wipe out from the face of the earth. Heck, the Israelis have been unable to permanently subdue the disadvantaged lesser-armed community of Palestinians for more than half a century. Over the same period, hundreds of millions of Muslims have found it impossible to obliterate the 5 million people in the microscopic Jewish state of Israel. In the tiny nation of Rwanda, close to 800,000 Tutsis and moderate Hutus were massacred. Someone would think 'Now, that'll finally finish them!'. But then what happened? Both Hutus and Tutsis are still living and working in Rwanda today. Live and let live fellas. The hate hurts the carrier. A life of permanent bitterness is worse than death. @innairobi, I salute you bro. You are one of the reasons some of us still believe in this forum. Level headed arguments backed by very consistent logic. Not everyone has lost their minds or attended MKSL (Moses Kuria school of lunatics). Funny your rank is still a member. Thought of writing to admin to elevate your rank to elder, then I saw what our 'elders' are posting and all I can say is your ranking is fine. Two wrongs do not make a right.There is no bigger tribalists whether Luo,Kamba,Kaleo or Okuyu extremists.When this country burns it wont matter whether you are a garment supporter or a babu supporter. Consistency is better than intensity
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/11/2006 Posts: 972 Location: Home
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PeterReborn wrote:FRM2011 wrote:innairobi wrote:The celebration of violence is bizarre though not surprising since this is the internet. I think the 2007-2008 PEV demonstrated the obvious - there is no monopoly of violence even when almost an entire country is ganged up against 3 or 4 communities. No one has the capacity for a decisive win. And in any case it helps no one. We could have permanent grudges and eternal dislike for certain communities or religions but violence will never move issues forward. You are unlikely to exterminate all Luos or Kikuyus or Kalenjins or Christians or Muslims perhaps for the next 1000 years. Chew on that for a minute. If their existence pains you every day you wake up, utakufa na stress ndugu  Even a smaller community like the Samburu would be very hard to wipe out from the face of the earth. Heck, the Israelis have been unable to permanently subdue the disadvantaged lesser-armed community of Palestinians for more than half a century. Over the same period, hundreds of millions of Muslims have found it impossible to obliterate the 5 million people in the microscopic Jewish state of Israel. In the tiny nation of Rwanda, close to 800,000 Tutsis and moderate Hutus were massacred. Someone would think 'Now, that'll finally finish them!'. But then what happened? Both Hutus and Tutsis are still living and working in Rwanda today. Live and let live fellas. The hate hurts the carrier. A life of permanent bitterness is worse than death. @innairobi, I salute you bro. You are one of the reasons some of us still believe in this forum. Level headed arguments backed by very consistent logic. Not everyone has lost their minds or attended MKSL (Moses Kuria school of lunatics). Funny your rank is still a member. Thought of writing to admin to elevate your rank to elder, then I saw what our 'elders' are posting and all I can say is your ranking is fine. Two wrongs do not make a right.There is no bigger tribalists whether Luo,Kamba,Kaleo or Okuyu extremists.When this country burns it wont matter whether you are a garment supporter or a babu supporter. 
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/14/2010 Posts: 806 Location: Nairobi
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Our tribes are acts of accidents (at our birth), but our tribalism is a clear conscious choice we make to discriminate against some other tribe...for this future generations will never ever forgive us for tearing and burning Kenya down.
One wonders why we have extremely become tribalistic especially in the last 2 decades. We are more educated, more urbanised and heck...more civilised. But we have retrogressed into stone age barbarians...this despite Kenya being a highly religious country.
Can we stand up for Kenya...now and everyday? Or must we wait for catastrophes and pretend that Kenyansareone?
Let us stand up above the tribe...if its not building us lets discard it...(in the Good book its written if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it, for its better....).
We owe ourselves and our children, a detribalised country.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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wise words. i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/14/2010 Posts: 521 Location: Nairobi
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winston wrote:Our tribes are acts of accidents (at our birth), but our tribalism is a clear conscious choice we make to discriminate against some other tribe...for this future generations will never ever forgive us for tearing and burning Kenya down.
One wonders why we have extremely become tribalistic especially in the last 2 decades. We are more educated, more urbanised and heck...more civilised. But we have retrogressed into stone age barbarians...this despite Kenya being a highly religious country.
Can we stand up for Kenya...now and everyday? Or must we wait for catastrophes and pretend that Kenyansareone?
Let us stand up above the tribe...if its not building us lets discard it...(in the Good book its written if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it, for its better....).
We owe ourselves and our children, a detribalised country.
Truly wise. Anything less than this will keep fanning the now volatile situation that is threatening to burn kenya sooner than later
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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winston wrote:Our tribes are acts of accidents (at our birth), but our tribalism is a clear conscious choice we make to discriminate against some other tribe...for this future generations will never ever forgive us for tearing and burning Kenya down.
One wonders why we have extremely become tribalistic especially in the last 2 decades. We are more educated, more urbanised and heck...more civilised. But we have retrogressed into stone age barbarians...this despite Kenya being a highly religious country.
Can we stand up for Kenya...now and everyday? Or must we wait for catastrophes and pretend that Kenyansareone?
Let us stand up above the tribe...if its not building us lets discard it...(in the Good book its written if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it, for its better....).
We owe ourselves and our children, a detribalised country.
Baba Moi warned us. Mzee. Kibaki recklessly showered us with too much freedom that came along with excessive activism and ujuaji without responsibility or accountability for our actions. That level of freedom comes with serious consequences, it is a recipe for disaster for poor countries like Kenya. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/26/2011 Posts: 759
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mpobiz wrote:Rollout wrote:mpobiz wrote:AlphDoti wrote:dunkang wrote:ZZE123 wrote:simonkabz wrote:McReggae wrote:It seems this particular one is acceptable!!! Very much. Tit for tat. Let us all flex our muscles as the day of burning draws near! Baba told people to get ready!  Such kind of remarks are irresponsible They become irresponsible when @SimonKabz says it, but very much OK when Babu and Co. says it. ISORAIT!!!!!! @dunkang and @simonkabz that is quite irresponsible. I mean what is this arrogance? Must people make enemies of everybody? What happens when the Kaleos realize they are being played (and I've said again and again it's just a matter of time, latest 2022. Sorry for hurting some people, but it's the truth)? Then what? The leaf-lets we were hearing recently will be nothing! Where will you run to! #WatuWaNyumbaWatchYourAttitude If the kales are being played you want to tell us they should run to babu to save them? Or what is your alternative for a savior? Or is it stevo or weta ?. @alpha please tell us which alliance should they join where thair political life will be better? I hate to say this but people think Kale are as naive as they appear, especially the TNA side of the marriage! The only naive kale i also hate to say it but its you. We all know that jubilee is a tribal alliance . Kikuyu and kale as the majority contributors. There is no other tribal alliance that can achieve what happened in 2013. Which ever way you allingn the 42 communities in this country, none can achieve the 50% + 1 in first round vote. Thats why despite what happened in 2007 uhuruto had to come together and did away with the likea of stevo . If this formular was not desingned to work , today cord could be ready to mobilize there people for voter registration once its anounced by iebc instead of fighting it. But as you can see they are not as naive as you. They can see in true colours what lays ahead. This alliance has to work if you want to see a kale presidency again.. The alliance did not win last election, election was rigged! I am a kaleo but I don't think Ruto will be a good president for Kenya, I also don't think TNA will support Ruto's presidency anyway!
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