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Muriel wrote:
My message.
And by 'message' you imply that there's some information you want to pass to me about Babylon?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Vagueness - the imprecise use, destruction of language. Contrast with clarity and specificity. Vagueness can create wrong or confusing meanings in your receivers mind.
They state a general idea but leave the precise meaning to the receiver's interpretation.
Vagueness' concern is 'meta-idea' - negotiation of meaning. Destruction of language.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:
Vagueness - the imprecise use, destruction of language. Contrast with clarity and specificity. Vagueness can create wrong or confusing meanings in your receivers mind.
They state a general idea but leave the precise meaning to the receiver's interpretation.
Vagueness' concern is 'meta-idea' - negotiation of meaning. Destruction of language.
Is this post vague or precise?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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tycho wrote:
Is this post vague or precise?
It is a precise response to this post:
tycho wrote:
Meaning is negotiated not replicated. The aim of writing, or speaking, is to set off a negotiation that will arrive at a shared meaning. The demands you're placing on communication are impossible.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:
Is this post vague or precise?
It is a precise response to this post:
tycho wrote:
Meaning is negotiated not replicated. The aim of writing, or speaking, is to set off a negotiation that will arrive at a shared meaning. The demands you're placing on communication are impossible.
In what way is it a precise response? Like for example how have you presented the connection between your response and my post?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Brother: meaning is negotiated not replicated. The aim of writing or speaking is to set off a negotiation that will arrive at a shared meaning.
Muriel: Vagueness can create wrong or confusing meanings in your receiver's mind. They (vagueness) state the general idea but leave the precise meaning to the receiver's interpretation.
The nexus: The meaning being put forth by Muriel might not be known or accepted by Tycho hence communication from Muriel, to bring about an awareness of this meaning to Tycho. Tycho does not have to agree to it just has to receipt it.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:Brother: meaning is negotiated not replicated. The aim of writing or speaking is to set off a negotiation that will arrive at a shared meaning.
Muriel: Vagueness can create wrong or confusing meanings in your receiver's mind. They (vagueness) state the general idea but leave the precise meaning to the receiver's interpretation.
The nexus: The meaning being put forth by Muriel might not be known or accepted by Tycho hence communication from Muriel, to bring about an awareness of this meaning to Tycho. Tycho does not have to agree to it just has to receipt it.
1. @Muriel's assertion on 'vagueness' is thus out of context. Firstly, because it wasn't the subject of 'brother's' assertion. On the contrary, 'meaning' implies comprehension, precision and clarity. Otherwise if the subject was 'vagueness' 'brother' would have stated it.
2. I had to ask for the connection for me to see it, otherwise there was room for speculation left by your post, in relation to other posts.
3. Agreeing or disagreement is a matter of 'fit', and only this measure can prove 'receipt'. Otherwise even indifference can claim receipt, and indifference can't be part of communication.
4. Your assertion on 'vagueness' shows some ignorance on its usefulness even in language. Symbols are generally vague until when used in a specific context and intention. That's how a language becomes useful in all situations. Vagueness doesn't necessarily destroy language. Mostly, it nurtures development of language.
5. I can't say I have agreed or disagreed with the new idea you were trying to pass to me, even after using the book of Mark as an illustration. At most, I take it that you've described how conflict in communication arises- something that has happened in our posts, and in all forms of communication. How the conflict is resolved you don't seem to know, because a 'receipt' doesn't imply reconciliation or understanding.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Vagueness was not useful, defendable to me in what I was trying to do. It maybe for you and elsewhere but not for me here. Mine, hence, though dismissed and patronized, is not inferior. Not by a whiff. I stand by it, proudly and state that:
indeed, at least, I am relieved my illustration has been finally receipted as I intended it.
As for its resolution, let the one who has spirited ahead of the conversation, the ostentatious, solve it.
I hand over the thread to its subject.
Thank you.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:Vagueness was not useful, defendable to me in what I was trying to do. It maybe for you and elsewhere but not for me here. Mine, hence, though dismissed and patronized, is not inferior. Not by a whiff. I stand by it, proudly and state that:
indeed, at least, I am relieved my illustration has been finally receipted as I intended it.
As for its resolution, let the one who has spirited ahead of the conversation, the ostentatious, solve it.
I hand over the thread to its subject.
Thank you.
If your idea has been dismissed and patronized, and shown to be inferior, and also receipted, then it has been so 'handled' by someone else, not @tycho.
Vagueness on the other hand, has been useful to you, in a negative way, because most of your assertions can be shown to be vague. You can't show this vagueness to what 'tycho' is saying.
As for 'ostentation' I can only speculate on it's precision.
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