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Sheikh Mohammed Idris
AlphDoti
#31 Posted : Tuesday, June 10, 2014 4:59:02 PM
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poundfoolish wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
poundfoolish wrote:

Why are you effing leaving out the real culprits..and blaming the Jews?

4. It is the Radical Islamists, of whom you are a closet supporter.

@poundfoolish tueshimiane, don't be foolish. If you have any issue with me, let us take it on. Otherwise, let us debate things in respectful manner, not using aping the West and using terms you don't even know the meaning. You've right to voice your opinions, I've too, everybody has, but use facts if you want to accuse someone.

Why did you leave out group no. 4 and had a whole paragraph on those who killed Jesus.

It is obvious he was eliminated by Radical islamists.

Can you please paste here your reactions when one of the sheikhs was stabbed by youths. If indeed you did have a comment about it. Stop acting and playing safe na useme msimamo. No innuendos and subtle messages.

NKT!!!

@poundfoolish I'm not denying you the recognition of raising point no.4. That is a possibility, if there is anything like that. What I responded about is you calling me names. That's where we differ.

If you want to raise a possibility and discuss it, please go a head, without associating others with it. That is called allegations. That is what I'm cautioning you about.

If you know what "Radical Islamist" is and you know who recruited them and you know them, then it is up to you. But when you bring my name into it, then I say tueshimiane. Because I can see you are still a stooge of Western media, even when you're shown a fact that some these so called terrorist acts are actually planned by some garments, you still don't hear. What is your ears for? When the same garment carry out terror acts, some in front of your face, and you know it is him, then that same garment turns arounds and tells you no, it is so and so... you just join the band-wagon.

NOTE: Remember the story of monkeys beating the new comer who tries to pick the bananas on the tree?
ecstacy
#32 Posted : Tuesday, June 10, 2014 5:47:56 PM
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Press Statement by U.S. Ambassador to Kenya Robert F. Godec
On the Death of Sheikh Mohammed Idris - http://nairobi.usembassy.gov/statementidris.html
Siringi
#33 Posted : Tuesday, June 10, 2014 8:22:30 PM
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"😖😡KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder 😏😏 " overheard in Wazua
kysse
#34 Posted : Tuesday, June 10, 2014 8:28:51 PM
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woi killing one of their own? very sad
Angelica _ann
#35 Posted : Tuesday, June 10, 2014 8:30:33 PM
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Siringi wrote:

Sasa where does dialogue come in here?
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harrydre
#36 Posted : Tuesday, June 10, 2014 8:37:36 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Siringi wrote:

Sasa where does dialogue come in here?


Come Sunday, we will find out.
i.am.back!!!!
tycho
#37 Posted : Tuesday, June 10, 2014 9:00:42 PM
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I doubt whether Islam is the threat it's generally portrayed to be, especially under the title of 'radical Islam'. The political and technological reality on the ground is not conducive for such an eventuality.

What's happening seems like a deliberate creation of fear and mistrust and one must be careful not be too hasty to condemn others, and be dilligent in investigation.

For example, doesn't it seem odd, like in this case, no matter how the Muslim youth respond, they're still suspect? Won't such a position radicalize them indeed?

So who kills the 'radical clerics'? Non radical Muslims? Non radical non Muslims? If the killers in this case are 'non radical', why the extra-judicial killings?
kysse
#38 Posted : Tuesday, June 10, 2014 9:26:15 PM
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tycho wrote:

So who kills the 'radical clerics'? A bullet from anywhere if they are on the international wanted list.

Non radical Muslims? Makaburis
Non radical non Muslims? Ordinary thugs/accidents/nature/disease
The killers in this case are radical.

tycho
#39 Posted : Tuesday, June 10, 2014 10:00:47 PM
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kysse wrote:
tycho wrote:

So who kills the 'radical clerics'? A bullet from anywhere if they are on the international wanted list.

Non radical Muslims? Makaburis
Non radical non Muslims? Ordinary thugs/accidents/nature/disease
The killers in this case are radical.



Such reasoning is false @kysse. Let me show how. You say;

1. Those who are on an international wanted list, without any due process, can be discriminated, and are radical. While the list makers aren't 'radical'. Here, 'radical' loses meaning and becomes political interest and expediency.

2. Because those who make international lists are not questioned, then one can't speak of 'non radicals'. The category can't be proven.

3. If both non radical Muslims and radical Muslims are killed, then Islam can't be the critical factor.

4. If Islam isn't the critical factor then the premise of radicality fails again.

5. Therefore it's impossible to make a reasonable and just conclusion under the circumstances.

6. No. five leads to the creation of true radicalism since there'll be action based on selfish political interest and disregard of the law.

washiku
#40 Posted : Tuesday, June 10, 2014 10:42:16 PM
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And how did the family manage to send a burial invite to Baba in such a short notice?
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