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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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@Jokes, the search for the African identity is very 'fragile'. In my search, I realized that while 'African' entails the 'black' race, the color of the race doesn't exhaust the definition of African. Now and then one gets the sense that 'African' entails a universal identity.
For example, consider Africa as the origin of Man, the center of the very first migrations. Something of the nucleus goes everywhere.
But what does the development of Man, and migration mean? Growth in knowledge and increase of pressure and problems to be resolved.
When, and why, does one group oppress another? It's something to do with the growth of knowledge and culture under diverse conditions and traditions, and in limited geographical areas.
That the black is the center of the African identity nowadays then becomes clear as you consider how through time the other races have 'returned' to Africa, and how they found Africa.
The Bible, being a historical compilation with a deliberate intention by a people not in Africa excludes the possibility of it being African. There are other things to consider here, but at least, we've started.
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/1/2008 Posts: 323
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Tycho you are quoting an European definition of us. That we are from Africa and they give us a sweetener that its the cradle of civilization. Bull shit we were the creators of civilization, we occupied most of the known world we lost to the barbarians, we run, read your history with an open mind and decipher for yourself. our history was intentionally erased and the victors history was placed upon us. do you still in believe in the definitions of cushites, bantus, nilotes, that is utter nonsense. we are all black the only difference are our languages. As for the bible go back and read ancient Egyptian history and religion you will be shocked. the whole bibles basis is derived from Egypt even Jesus, the people in Israel and Egypt were black my friend not the current whites who live there presently. Start reading books by African researchers it will inform you better. start with senegalise writer chiekh anta diop
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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1. I haven't yet defined the African. So far, am building up a definition.
2. When you say, 'we are the creators of civilization' you mean 'origin' of Man. Because Man is 'civilization'.
3. I have read Diop, I have read about the Egyptian origins of the 'Bible'.
And all these don't contradict what am saying in any way.
For example; While the Egyptians may have had the narratives in the Bible, the intentions of the Old testament are about a chosen people building their identity. The new testament is again the building of a new identity. The Bible, despite it's Egyptian roots isn't about an ancient identity.
As for Nilotes, and Cushites, we can discuss later.
By the way, that not all people of the world aren't black should have sufficient reason. And the reason can't exclude that the African identity is universal. There's a picture from ancient Egypt showing different colors of people right?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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The hypothesis/theory that the creators of civilization were chased away by the 'uncivilized' in a way doesn't contradict my earlier post. It describes some of what I've said in different words. Why?
1. Where did the barbarians- read humans, come from?
2. How was it possible to chase the civilized? It must follow that the barbarians themselves were getting civilized. Meaning a growth in knowledge, language and culture.
3. The theory in itself doesn't provide sufficient ground for defining the African now. Defining the African needs 'space' that allows changes in civilization and culture.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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The African is a historical, spiritual, and philosophical system that conduces the being of humanity, and its thriving through all time. From deep past, kitambo, to the deep future, kitambo.
The history of humanity is the process of the discovery of the African identity, and its extension in the Universe.
To see this, one needs to look at the historical past, as far as the 'origins' of the Universe to the end of the Universe - Wikipedia is a good source for such an exercise- and check for patterns across time, and turning points like rise and fall of Civilizations, paradigm shifts like the 'neolithic revolution', the Copernican revolution, changes in political systems, and most critically, globalization and it's trends and demands, and the requirements for the thriving of humanity into the future.
As recently as the late 19th century, a well educated, and capable man like H.M. Stanley, a spy, and explorer couldn't reconcile himself to the African savage. Bonaparte, Voltaire, Montesquieu all had disparaging remarks for the African.
The 20th century has been about a Eurocentric political economy. But such a system must not only be violent and ineffective.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:One, of some, things I know is the 'untouchables'. Caste. This is a negative contribution to and of the indegenous thought. Worse than Africans. Show me how. Hahaha! And even show me if that caste system doesn't apply to the current pseudo-progressive thinking in the African mind. Again, let me remind you that we are talking about indegnous cultivation and use of knowledge to resolve 'problems' and ensure the people involved have an opportunity to flourish, experience justice, exert responsibilities, and enjoy meaningful lives. By this, the caste system still qualifies. What doesn't qualify is the African trying her best not to be African in dressing, in knowledge, manners, and tastes. That's one preposterous contradiction. It's condemning yourself to death. In the caste system, the untouchable can hope to be a Brahmin through reincarnation. But poor African. What can he hope to be in the next life. Some say that in heaven 'we' shall be crowned differently. For some there will be golden crowns, others paper crowns, each according to merit. Now pause and ask, what crown can the African hope to wear? If his/her essence is so repugnant? Some kinds of thinking offer the African no hope. That is incomplete. Selective. Downgrading ought to be a possibility as well. Then also stagnation. Both, not advertised by the faithful, nevertheless logically must be. The African fares better with his paper crown. Degradation isn't African. What's African? I see we may not be talking about the same thing. Perhaps. Chocolate and makati ,,,,, laugh laugh laugh Makati bwaku bwaku? lol. I need to stop laughing to dance. I still don't see why not a free human cannot say what I have just said. Proving negative and showing to be false is a high expression of freedom. Freedom to articulate and interrogate. If there is an upgrading, is it not possible there can be a downgrading and a constant? Wikipedia? Why? It is not a good source.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Because of a eurocentric political economy, non European countries, and especially African countries have had to surrender her resources to the global powers. In fact, the Europeans have had to be compelled by the African to use the latter's resources. Look like how African human resources have had to thrust at the European in the form of immigration.
Now Europe and America are facing economic hardships mainly because markets aren't looking up to their products, and speculations. Even economic growth in Africa is too slow for the demands of the Capitalist drive.
This global situation is ripe ground for the loss of basic freedoms across the world, even in Europe itself this pressure is deeply felt, that now far right parties like UKIP and far far left parties like SYRIZA have grown in popularity and power.
All this pushing and shoving must not leave the African passive. For the solution to this deepening crisis is a turn around in African polity to a rise in global power. And all this is possible if the African identity is understood and put to action.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:One, of some, things I know is the 'untouchables'. Caste. This is a negative contribution to and of the indegenous thought. Worse than Africans. Show me how. Hahaha! And even show me if that caste system doesn't apply to the current pseudo-progressive thinking in the African mind. Again, let me remind you that we are talking about indegnous cultivation and use of knowledge to resolve 'problems' and ensure the people involved have an opportunity to flourish, experience justice, exert responsibilities, and enjoy meaningful lives. By this, the caste system still qualifies. What doesn't qualify is the African trying her best not to be African in dressing, in knowledge, manners, and tastes. That's one preposterous contradiction. It's condemning yourself to death. In the caste system, the untouchable can hope to be a Brahmin through reincarnation. But poor African. What can he hope to be in the next life. Some say that in heaven 'we' shall be crowned differently. For some there will be golden crowns, others paper crowns, each according to merit. Now pause and ask, what crown can the African hope to wear? If his/her essence is so repugnant? Some kinds of thinking offer the African no hope. That is incomplete. Selective. Downgrading ought to be a possibility as well. Then also stagnation. Both, not advertised by the faithful, nevertheless logically must be. The African fares better with his paper crown. Degradation isn't African. What's African? I see we may not be talking about the same thing. Perhaps. Chocolate and makati ,,,,, laugh laugh laugh Makati bwaku bwaku? lol. I need to stop laughing to dance. I still don't see why not a free human cannot say what I have just said. Proving negative and showing to be false is a high expression of freedom. Freedom to articulate and interrogate. If there is an upgrading, is it not possible there can be a downgrading and a constant? Wikipedia? Why? It is not a good source. Wikipedia is a good source because because; 1. It's interactive and decentralized hence with an even bias. 2. Changes in knowledge per page are not significant enough to distort patterns across time. 3. It's easy for one who is 'pressed for time' to go through it. Otherwise am disinclined to dance to your silly humor @Muriel.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Tycho, today I tried reding your posts!  Dathie toro! TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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simonkabz wrote:Tycho, today I tried reding your posts!  Dathie toro! I can understand your situation. The sleepless nights, and days I've had while examining myself must surely translate in another's sleep.
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