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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Rahatupu wrote:tycho wrote:Rahatupu wrote:tycho wrote:Siringi wrote:? Swala Nyeti
To dialogue or not to dialogue?
What to dialogue?
Who to dialogue?
Where to dialogue ?
How to dialogue ? @Siringi, dialogue is what makes us human. To refuse dialogue is to deny humanity. 'What to dialogue?' To answer this we must put the matter on historical perspective. Where is Kenya, relative to the demands of the people, and the times? From work to identity there are matters to be discussed. @Siringi, the state has gone global. What does this mean? Wanjiku has become intelligent and powerful thanks to the revolution in information and communication. How can she be given space to exercise her freedom, and flourish? All of us must be invited to this dialogue. Ideas of simple representation are false and unhelpful when conversation is about equitable power to generate wealth, to exercise political independence to the individual level here in Kibera, needs conversation even among my friends, my neighbors, even the little children. How? This is a multidimensional project. Like this thread, a meeting in statehouse, a wazua mbuzi, things like that. It's a win, win. . Another season of domo domo and no substance, njaa blabla..... talk and more talk never gets us there either. If they have alternative solutions to the said problems that bedevil the government, they can table the same without theatrics and grandstanding. Let them present their ideas in university talks, bunge la wananchi, senate, parliament, gumzo mtaani and dialogue will have happened. They have the power to talk but not to act...... the majority have their way while the minority have their say. I understand what you're saying. And it's true that we need no 'theatrics'. But looking at the rally, it has political value, and a crucial one at that. The local mwananchi now knows that there's something like 'national dialogue'. Now let all conversation be visible from the top. The President gains, and what's more, there's still room for competition. Within a short while Africa, and the African will be shining like the sun. Africa, defines all of us. It's the nucleus of our being. It defines Kenya (and vice versa). Engaging in dialogue returns as to this beginning. This is an opportunity worth taking. , @Tycho, the most important thing is reading between the lines, in this case its a crafty way of seeking relevance by some of our leaders, a forum to back track on their earlier vows to respect the outcome of the 2013 elections and move on.... Like the dialogue on the wage bill how far did it take us?? ... eh mere talk and more talk.... call dialogue on terrorism, they will talk some more. IMHO, the ultimate responsibility lies with the gourment of the day (which is being painted as illegitimate) by the CORD brigade. Its the gourment's duty to provide security, grow the economy, fight corruption et cetra (of course with our input as well). The nitty gritty of how they get it right is open to suggestions from all and sundry. If they get it wrong, they can only be corrected or removed from office via a general election 2017. Any other way is illegal, unconstitutional and impractical. All said and done, the CORD way of asking for space for their input on critical matters of state craft raises critical questions on their sincerity and honesty. Hence some allude that they are seeking nusu mkate, njaa imezidi!! What will it cost you to listen? Why do you jump into conclusions before you can listen? CORD has clearly stated the issues they want addressed during the analogue, I will tell Walker this for free.......listening to attack dogs too much and carrying their burden will break the camel's back..... Uhuru can survive without paying attention to Duale and his ilk..promising one thing publicly and retracting barely after 24 hours is a bad thing for the head of state.. Propensity to lie and indicisiveness is a terrible mix for Mtembezi,..He must ride on a higher pedestal to be able manouvre myriad of challenges within institution of the presidency.. ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Wainadi wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:dunkang wrote:Njaa imesukuma wana-CORD mpaka they are begging indirectly.
Ati Dialogue! ON WHAT? WITH WHOM? WHERE?
CORD imetuangusha sana. They should be busy ensuring public jobs are "awarded" fairly, public funded projects are "distributed" fairly, etc. Lakini ni hii mambo ya dialogue, HII NI NJAA imewasukuma! Ni Njaa!! Si ndiyo! Mi mwenyewe niko njaa mbaya. Hahahaha! Njaa ni dhambi? Ama ni mbaya sana hata hamtaki kuisikia, na kuiona? Sasa basi nifungieni huku! Hata wazungu wakuzungusha mtaani hakuna! Tuko njaa! Eish, Buda boss, ni wewe Tycho? Tuseme unaweza bonga kama msee wa kawaida. Wainadi, uko nyuma kama magoti ya kuku. Dialogue.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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McReggae wrote:Rahatupu wrote:tycho wrote:Rahatupu wrote:tycho wrote:Siringi wrote:? Swala Nyeti
To dialogue or not to dialogue?
What to dialogue?
Who to dialogue?
Where to dialogue ?
How to dialogue ? @Siringi, dialogue is what makes us human. To refuse dialogue is to deny humanity. 'What to dialogue?' To answer this we must put the matter on historical perspective. Where is Kenya, relative to the demands of the people, and the times? From work to identity there are matters to be discussed. @Siringi, the state has gone global. What does this mean? Wanjiku has become intelligent and powerful thanks to the revolution in information and communication. How can she be given space to exercise her freedom, and flourish? All of us must be invited to this dialogue. Ideas of simple representation are false and unhelpful when conversation is about equitable power to generate wealth, to exercise political independence to the individual level here in Kibera, needs conversation even among my friends, my neighbors, even the little children. How? This is a multidimensional project. Like this thread, a meeting in statehouse, a wazua mbuzi, things like that. It's a win, win. . Another season of domo domo and no substance, njaa blabla..... talk and more talk never gets us there either. If they have alternative solutions to the said problems that bedevil the government, they can table the same without theatrics and grandstanding. Let them present their ideas in university talks, bunge la wananchi, senate, parliament, gumzo mtaani and dialogue will have happened. They have the power to talk but not to act...... the majority have their way while the minority have their say. I understand what you're saying. And it's true that we need no 'theatrics'. But looking at the rally, it has political value, and a crucial one at that. The local mwananchi now knows that there's something like 'national dialogue'. Now let all conversation be visible from the top. The President gains, and what's more, there's still room for competition. Within a short while Africa, and the African will be shining like the sun. Africa, defines all of us. It's the nucleus of our being. It defines Kenya (and vice versa). Engaging in dialogue returns as to this beginning. This is an opportunity worth taking. , @Tycho, the most important thing is reading between the lines, in this case its a crafty way of seeking relevance by some of our leaders, a forum to back track on their earlier vows to respect the outcome of the 2013 elections and move on.... Like the dialogue on the wage bill how far did it take us?? ... eh mere talk and more talk.... call dialogue on terrorism, they will talk some more. IMHO, the ultimate responsibility lies with the gourment of the day (which is being painted as illegitimate) by the CORD brigade. Its the gourment's duty to provide security, grow the economy, fight corruption et cetra (of course with our input as well). The nitty gritty of how they get it right is open to suggestions from all and sundry. If they get it wrong, they can only be corrected or removed from office via a general election 2017. Any other way is illegal, unconstitutional and impractical. All said and done, the CORD way of asking for space for their input on critical matters of state craft raises critical questions on their sincerity and honesty. Hence some allude that they are seeking nusu mkate, njaa imezidi!! What will it cost you to listen? Why do you jump into conclusions before you can listen? CORD has clearly stated the issues they want addressed during the analogue, I will tell Walker this for free.......listening to attack dogs too much and carrying their burden will break the camel's back..... Uhuru can survive without paying attention to Duale and his ilk..promising one thing publicly and retracting barely after 24 hours is a bad thing for the head of state.. Propensity to lie and indicisiveness is a terrible mix for Mtembezi,..He must ride on a higher pedestal to be able manouvre myriad of challenges within institution of the presidency.. @McRegge, Listening is not the problem, the agenda, conditions are a problem. In such a scenario, it would be more prudent for the Cord brigade to table their views on public media for input by me and you as well as other constitutional office bearers including Chubilee team. For instance they can come out and say: 1. The competence of Ole Cook is wanting and he should be fired along with Kimaiyo... 2. Bring back our soldiers, incorporate all recognized Somali refugees as citizens... and many more ideas. Lakini hii ya kusema oh our country is divided while they are busy widening the rifts and gaps does not seem sincere.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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@Raha-tupu, it is true that our politicians, and myself included seek 'political relevance'. It is good to be politically relevant. And in fact, our most important questions should focus on relevance, from the state, to the individual.
In my estimation, neither Cord, or the government can provide employment, security can no longer be left to the state, neither can the state provide quality education, or health care for all, if not most of the citizens. But government, and political parties, and elections are relevant in promoting rigorous solutions to the challenges facing 'ordinary citizens' and even states.
Some people may not be sincere, true, but the dialogue may be structured to deter such machinations.
And one structure is the social media. If the social media can be used optimally, and if the citizens can engage in dialogue, then there's hope for us. It all depends on the citizen's sincerity, vision and power.
This dialogue should be about the citizen being able to think for himself, and his neighbor, and working for practical results at the grassroots. It's not about being the President. If it's about Presidency or exclusive power then it will fail. Such power is now too weak.
And pressure is great. Like yesterday we were having a conversation and one of us spoke of how they could make fertilizer and not have a market for it; or how kazi kwa vijana can't match market requirements.
More and more youth are either dropping out of school due to hardship, or are barely having relevant education. Aren't these the youngsters the 'terrorists', 'criminals', 'ne'er do wells'? Isn't this an aspect of corruption? The pressure is there, and if we don't engage then we can look forward to harder times.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/25/2011 Posts: 2,103 Location: Nrb
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Really? Holding rallies will bring a solution to issues? Sasa kama hiyo rally ya sato at uhuru park,what exactly did it achieve? Someone please jog my mind. Domoooo domoo ! I am happy
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Wainadi wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:dunkang wrote:Njaa imesukuma wana-CORD mpaka they are begging indirectly.
Ati Dialogue! ON WHAT? WITH WHOM? WHERE?
CORD imetuangusha sana. They should be busy ensuring public jobs are "awarded" fairly, public funded projects are "distributed" fairly, etc. Lakini ni hii mambo ya dialogue, HII NI NJAA imewasukuma! Ni Njaa!! Si ndiyo! Mi mwenyewe niko njaa mbaya. Hahahaha! Njaa ni dhambi? Ama ni mbaya sana hata hamtaki kuisikia, na kuiona? Sasa basi nifungieni huku! Hata wazungu wakuzungusha mtaani hakuna! Tuko njaa! Eish, Buda boss, ni wewe Tycho? Tuseme unaweza bonga kama msee wa kawaida. Mi, pia, niwa 'kawaida'.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/3/2012 Posts: 1,317
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Rahatupu wrote:
@McRegge, Listening is not the problem, the agenda, conditions are a problem. In such a scenario, it would be more prudent for the Cord brigade to table their views on public media for input by me and you as well as other constitutional office bearers including Chubilee team. For instance they can come out and say:
1. The competence of Ole Cook is wanting and he should be fired along with Kimaiyo...
2. Bring back our soldiers, incorporate all recognized Somali refugees as citizens... and many more ideas.
Lakini hii ya kusema oh our country is divided while they are busy widening the rifts and gaps does not seem sincere.
Well said! 
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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They want a National dialogue on how to tender for airlifting presidential speech If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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national dialogue ni nini by the way? kila mtu aongee? i guess kila mtu anaongea!! kila mtu aongee na kila mtu? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Amores wrote:Really? Holding rallies will bring a solution to issues? Sasa kama hiyo rally ya sato at uhuru park,what exactly did it achieve? Someone please jog my mind.
Domoooo domoo ! If rallies had no importance then not even jubilee would be having them. There's the idea of dialogue as a means of achieving concrete results like the number of sufurias, and the idea of past roles. Dialogue must entail new roles, new objectives. Creativity comes out of dialogue. A rally can be positive. And there's nothing wrong in assigning our leaders new roles. I don't see how 'opposition politics' is relevant to our times. So how should those who lose elections act? Our historical conditions demand that we think openly on this. So let's take this as an opportunity to structure our politics to serve all optimally. This is the solution to so many problems we're facing. Why should the President lose sleep trying to figure out how he can feed adults who can think, talk, organize, work, control, nourish, and do what needs to be done. We need to give our leaders space to excel. I need to excel. We have a new constitution, an elected government, and political parties and interests that need our attention, constantly, irrespective of elections, and personalities. It's all citizens responsibility to engage in dialogue.
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